December 08 - a few babies under the tree still need unwrapping!

[EffiePerine]

New thread ladies. I have a feeling I will be talking to myself a lot

Morning,

Verso Going to miss you but I totally understand.

Katie I hope the Cranial Oesteopathy works for you.

I am shattered. DS2 did his usual wake up once. It always seems to be about 4, but then DS1 woke up too. I am tempted to close his bedroom door but then I am worried I wont hear him if he does wake up.

flippin eck! dd2 fed every 1 and a half hours last night from about 7pm till 7.30am. i think she only stopped coz we had to take luce to school! and when we were about to leave the house she did an almighty rear end explosion which resulted in a complete soak through of vest and sleepsuit so needed world's fastest full body clean and change of clothes - and we made it before the school bell!
verso i'd wondered where you were...was going to write a Haiku to lament your absence! hope you come back soon - we should all gratefully accept the support from each other and ignore the bits that make us jealous or angry or insane!!! we'll miss you but i see your point! hope it goes well xxx
i'm having my arm sucked to death so must go and feed....

Hi everyone, I've been back at home from my Mum's for a week now but it has taken a long time to catch up and also to find a moment when I have two hands for typing.

I've put a photo of Eddie on my profile but as he was asleep when it was taken it doesn't do him justice - he is of course the most gorgeous baby in the world (mummy goggles).

Sorry to hear that so many of us are having difficult times with our new little ones. Luckily for me, E is very good (for a baby) but before you all start getting DD1 and DH have been driving me round the twist.

Am I nuts to contemplate taking a 4 wk old baby to a mums and toddlers group so DD can have a bit of fun?

Good luck Katie with the cranial osteopathy. Verso will be thinking of you.

nolda i'd go for it! dd can run off some steam while you sit and have a cuppa! i'm planning a return to dd1's clubs this week with 4 week old in tow...

nolda both your kiddies are very cute indeed!

Thanks Traceface, I think I will take them, it'll cheer DD up. Well done on the quick change and getting to school on time. I'll have to pull off something similar to get to group. Must jump in the shower.

Hey Trace how is your DD liking big school.

oh Veggie she really likes it! She was really excited to be going back after the weekend and she enjoys her days! She says her favourite things about school are snack time and lunch time! A girl after my own heart!

DS2 is starting to refuse to be BF, he won't latch on and cries and screams. He'll latch on for about 2 minutes, come off, scream, latch on and on it goes for about an hour. Then when it has gotten too much for me and I get him a bottle he drinks it all very happily.

I now feel like no matter how hard I try it just isn't working. I wish I could just stop BF but for some reason I just feel like people with judge me if I do.

I'd really love some of the thoughts from you ladies.

Jam The Mohel who came out this morning was brilliant! We got his name from the Birth Unit. He actually came out to the house and did the procedure. Here's his contact info. Ephraim Josovic 077 6646 0060, 121 Castlewood Road, Samford Hill, London N16 6DJ. It cost £180.

We tried calling the MW again this morning to reschedule Judah's clinic appointment and the number they gave me didn't work! We also got onto the NHS site and all numbers on there didn't work either.

Called the GP as well and they didn't have any appointments... so have to call back at 1:30 and hope something opens up.

turnip I think we had forgotten to mention that we were next door to each other in the hospital! It was very cool to actually know someone else that was on the ward!

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Kayz - nobody should jyudge you if you want to give-up BF. How could they judge you with anything but respect after you have tried so hard and done the most important weeks?

Kim - sorry that you are still feelinf poorly.

Katie - maybe the return of colic was a one night wonder? You can always hope...

Well last night was a bit depressing chez artichokes. Having been so proud at my expressing success we tried to give dd2 the bottle for her 10pm feed. DD1 always refused a bottle but we did not start trying her with one 'til much later which is why I wanted to get in early this time. But guess what? Yep. At only 3.5 weeks dd2 has already decided she hates teats.

We tried her on 2 different types and she screamed and refused to suck either. She has refused all dummies too so I should have guessed. I am soooo depressed . I just can't do another 14 months of exclusive BF from the breast itself. I need the occassional bottle to give me freedom. For the first six months no bottles will mean no proper nights out due to the 10pm feed . I will buy and try other bottles today but I am not hopefull as I tried everything with dd1 and nothing worked.

sorry cd someone link again ti tracy hogg q&a - typing one handed with the little monster "sleeping" or rather lulling me into a false sense of security. she's been devil child all night and morning. how do we suspect thrush? z

also how was cranial osteopathy for katie?

any one else getting paranoid that they can only get lo asleep by rocking/slinging/shushing. is 2.5 weeks too young to be worrying about that?

Hello all,

am trying hard to catch up, so much of what i've read briefly is so reassuring though..settling babies, night feeding marathons etc..

we are doing okay - sooooo much easier with one than two! have been exclusively bfing but was just on my knees last week and getting very down and finally cracked and have been giving DD3 a late night 1oz bottle of formula which has transformed things - i'm getting that bit much more sleep and coping with three that much better!

feeling a bit down that i'm having to mix feed again, but i think it is the best thing for our family. with dd's i mixed fed 2/5ths formula and 3.5ths breast and it worked well - i think i would have given up otherwise and the same with dd3...i still count it as breastfeeding her with one ounce of formula a day!

hugs to all - have we moved to a postnatal thread yet?

Cat I think if it was a friend in my position I would tell her that she should ignore what other people think and she should do what she feels would be best for her.

I do think I will give up. I do really enjoy feeding him but it is getting more and more stressful and it is getting me down.

I just feel like I have failed him, if I can't feed him properly can I even do anything right.

kayz you poor love, have probably missed half this convo but have you asked someone to check the latch and what the problem is?

hugs to you

I popped in to see the BF lady at the hospital when DS2 had his hearing check(the BF person the MW told me they didn't have) and she said the latch was fine. But these past couple of days he just hasn't wanted to latch on.

I do think that FF will be best for us now. I get so stressed out by trying to BF that I don't think it does either of us any good.

Kayz if I had my BF helper hat on I would be saying keep trying but with my parent hat on I would say do what you feel is right for you 2. Also if Freddie wanted orange juice would you make him have pomegranet juice. The pomegranate juice may seem healthier but if he doesn't want it. Maybe if you want to be sure you have done all you can ring LLL but I think you have done what you can (with no help from dumb MW lady) and you are not taking this decision lightly. Also it's not like you have not BF at all what you have given him so far will hold him in good stead. Instead of lamenting and berating yourself you should be patting yourself on the back for getting this far. Oh and if anyone hassles you tell them you had breast cancer and these aren't your real boobs, or even better tell them your breasts are for your husband not for feeding with, that will make them have a good old tut tut.

wg I think it was you who asked about thrush? Sean's tongue was coated white & he had patches of white under his top lip & on the inside of his cheeks as well. Apparently it can be sore & quite painful which accounts for his screaming last week

kayz its hard but all you can do is what's best for you & your family & sod everyone else. Fwiw, I haven't had anyone say anything mean about me ff Sean. If people do ask I just say bf didn't work out & change the subject. Though I do like veggie's suggestions!

Thanks Veggie I do love your suggestions.

It is my MIL that I am most worried about. She moans about him having formula so I can see when she finds out he is fully formula fed, she will have a real big moan.

Trace are we still meeting in York on Friday? DH is going to come and take DS1 off to do something. Might go feed some ducks maybe as DS1 loves ducks. Plus if he comes and I'm not 100% on where we are meeting he will know as he used to live there.

Hey all!
Sorry not been on in a while! Have been lurking though.
verso was glad to hear from you, I was about to post to see if you were around! After your funny haiku and then you disappeared for a few days. Well you might not be reading this but if you do, good luck and hope you are back with us properly soon.
kayz who are these people who you think will disapprove of you not breastfeeding? I ask in seriousness as a first timer who hasn't been out all that much yet, but I can't imagine anyone being rude enough to openly disapprove and if they did I would think "sod em"! I guess it is better to bf on paper, evidence, etc, but in real life you have to weigh up the benefits for your sanity, whole family life, etc...but obviously if part of you still wants to bf then you are bound to feel a bit torn though. But basically I would say try and rule out other peoples opinions as a factor.

wg here is the tracy hogg link www.babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=451.0 from bisou.

Gotta go, DS is crying.

Hey all!

The MW finally called back and wanted to know why I wasn't at my appointment. [anger] I told her I had been trying to call all morning and all the numbers they had given me were wrong. I told her I was sick and low and behold she was at my house in less than 15 minutes!

Also went to the GP this afternoon. Unfortunately they think it's a virus and want it to run its course. They did say that if I was still running a fever tomorrow and it hadn't come down that I could take a round of antibiotics to see if it would help clear it up.

kayz so sorry to hear you've been having BF issues. I would say go with what your gut is telling you and ignore everyone else and their negativity. It's the last thing you need right now.

Kayz - what Veggie and Cat say!!. When I decided for various reasons to go to formula with DS I sat down and wrote a list of pros and cons for each type of feeding. I had decided before he was born that I would only do one or t'other (as with DD1 I found mixed feeding the "worst of both worlds" (I was topping up at each feed)). The list helped me decide and come to terms. Best of luck whatever you decide, but be assured noone here would judge you in the least bit whatever your choice.

Hatty good to hear from you! Have been thinking of you. My best friend who had ivf and got a bfp back in Oct told me on Xmas day that it is actually twins!! She didn't want to say until she was 12 weeks even though I knew she was pg. I am so excited for her. She also has Marslady booked as her doula just like GettingBiggerbird (ownder how she is coping!). Glad things are settling down for you and that the bottle is giving you a well-earned rest in evening. You deserve it!

WG I think 2.5 weeks to young to worry about "bad" sleep habits. People say 6 weeks maybe you want to think about how best to get them to sleep.

arti so sorry your DD decided to be anti-bottle. Have never had that problem - but hope you find one she likes. Don't dispair. What about a cup?

nolda hope you went to toddlers - it can be good for you all I guess. I haven't tried taking all 3 out on my own yet but will do soon.

Rosemerta that sounds like a really interesting course. Will you teach afterwards?

Trace well done you on surviving the feedathon. She is some feeder that girl!

Good day today. Finally got a chance to work out how to use my Karime sling and its fabulous. DD fast asleep in there at the moment, snug as a bug. Only problem is it's hurting my boob at little. Mastitis/blocked duct seems to have resolved a little with heat application etc. Fingers crossed.

Right I am 100% decided. I will FF, I would love to be able to BF him without a care in the world like I had hoped, but it isn't going to happen.

I do think most of the problems started when that MW made us give him formula and if she had just given us a little while longer he could have put his weight back on.

We know we are going to ttc DC3(not till end 2010) so hopefully it will be 3rd time lucky.

Thanks everyone.