Wagon baby no1 is coming before Xmas- we've got the tree and decs up ready to welcome him to the --wagon-- world

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Here we go ladies.... you think it will last long enough for wagon baby no1's arrival???

Scan list:
Nat - presentation/growth/waters/doppler/god knows what else scan, 16th Dec.
Ses - 21 week scan - 29th Dec
2bgandasnowglobe- 20 wk scan 5th January
GYo- 4D Scan- 10th January (30.5wks)
Diege - 19 week scan - 27th Jan.

Weeks list:
Kayz - 39 weeks only 2 days to go!! Boy.
Nat - 36 weeks, 4 weeks left. Boy.
tink - 35 weeks only 5 weeks to go. Girl. shock
Gin - 34 weeks 6 left! Girl.
Sorky - 31 weeks, Girl.
Lardybump - 28 weeks, 12 to go (I hope) surprise.
Playing 27 weeks, 13 weeks left. Boy.
GYo - 26 weeks, 14 weeks left. Surprise.
Cosmo 24 weeks, 16 weeks left. Girl.
Gruff, 22 weeks, 18 weeks left. Girl.
Glaskham - 22 weeks, 18 left to go. Girl.
Ses - 17 weeks, 23 left to go
2BG- 17 weeks, 23 to go
Diege - 12 weeks, 28 left to go

Girls = 6
Boys= 3
Suprise on the day = 2
Unknowns = 3

MW apps list:
Diege - @ 12 weeks - Thursday 11th Dec - cons appt. to discuss cervical monitoring.
Nat - @ 37 weeks - Tuesday 16th Dec - cons appt. Breech? Ceph? Breech? Ceph? Breech for now...
Sorky - @ 32weeks - 19th December.
Kayz - 39wks - Thurs 11th Dec.
Tink- @ 36 weeks - 18th of dec - 1 weeks 2 go grin lets pray she has turned the right way grin
GYo @ 28 weeks- 23rd Dec- bloods and Rh jab
Playing @ 29 weeks - 24th Dec - bloods/check up
Glaskham- @ 25wks - Mon 5th Jan
2BG- @25 weeks - 3rd Feb
Ses - @ 27 wks - Tues 10th Feb
Cosmo - @ 28 wks - early Jan - Rh jab

Glask!!!!!!!!!!

The card is gorgeous!!! Thanks ever so much and how cute are those socks!!!!!!

Will send you a Xmas card!!!!

Kay, don't know if she's right or not but its the same thing I was told, to leave expressing till BF was established but maybe its something to browse the bf boards about? There's a lady called tiktok who is an advisor (i think) and gives professional and real, practical advise - maybe she would be able to help?

It seems that things are getting better for you with DS2 settling to give time to play with DS1 anyway? If boobs start to feel too full or painful, get a flannel and soak it in hot water, then wring and lie it on your boob, the warmth helps to open up the ducts and allows excess milk to just flow out instead of blocking, you can also shower (hottish) and gently stroke all breast tissue from outside towards nipple to open ducts and encourage flow or if you can find time, sit in a warm bath. Some women (me included) have problems with engorgement regardless of expressing or not and I'm sure there are women who express early who don't have problems, nothing is carved in stone!

And anyway, the people who make it look easy have generally been doing it considerably longer than a week - give yourself a break and a pat on the back, its hard work getting even this far and you really are doing well

They are feeling really full and boiling hot as well. I'm going to have a bath later and try and get them to empty a bit.

I have posted on the BF boards about it and the general thought is to not give him EBM yet and not to really express either. You'd think MW's would tell you things that would help.

DS1 is sat in his highchair with his sandwich shouting "Co-Op" it is really cute but when you are on Mat Leave the last thing you need is someone reminding you of work every 5 minutes.

Lol at your DS1 Kay!

Don't forget to try and get DS2 to take some if it too!

I think I overpumped at one stage, I was taking about 3ozs off each breast twice a day and feeding DS - I was considering donating at that stage, but just cut back on the pumping and my dairy cow production status was revoked

NJ, glad you reminded me about the 2 year check, I hadn't heard anything and want to get DS height and weight checked so rang my local surestart centre, and they said they don't do them as standard unless the baby is preemie or has SN. Unless I had any concerns, I said he hadn't been weighed or measured for a long time so there's a clinic this afternoon I can go along to, so am picking up DS from nursery and doing that.

Oh, should mention, I rang the surgery this morning and spoke to my normal doctor who has said that I can drive and has put it in my notes that we have agreed I can - will make life a whole lot easier!

Also, I had a look at my stitches this morning and one of htem had broken - skin's all healed nicely but the actual string had snapped - I was on the phone to a mate at the time and she got a bit uptight and said I wasn't to touch it so I rang the doctors (I am such a hypochondriac!) AGAIN and spoke to a nurse this time - she told me to just pull it out It came out really easily which was nice coz it means I'm less nervous about having the rest out tomorrow now.

Right - I really should get up

Kay you do not need to express anything yet. If they are feeling very full and hot sit in a bath with hot flannels over them. They will drip off the excess and make you feel more comfortable.

He may be struggling to latch on well today if they are that full, the bath will help this.

Persevere my lovely, the first couple of weeks are the worst. Let the air get to them as much as possible too, walking round half naked necessary!

You are doing so well

I saw the midwife today, all well and i have the numbers to call from next monday if i go in to labour

Thanks everyone.

The biggest problem with BF is my MIL asking about it. Last thing I want to discuss with my MIL is my breasts or how she BF DH. Its so wrong.

Kayz it's very hard when you get conflicting advice for the m/w's.

The others are right though, he maybe struggling to latch because you're becoming engorged.
If you can, express a little milk off so that he can get a better latch, just using your hand.

I don't know what the others think, but I haven't expressed any milk until at least 2 weeks to give the process a chance to settle down.
The more you put him to the breast, the better the supply and then you'll be able to pump some excess milk off for EBM feeding.

It is like being permanently attached in the first couple of weeks! How did you get on with the sling?

Very nice bedding btw Glask

Crikey Gin being given the numbers to call makes it seem a bit more real doesn't it ?

Meant to add Kayz that when Ds2 is latching on, but pushing away from the breast the flow of milk is too great for him, you may notice him splutter a bit.
Again hand express a little off, use warm flannels to encourage the flow and let down and try him again. It does settle down, honestly it does. You're doing brilliantly!

Watch you'll be doing 3 different things whilst feeding in a couple of weeks

I'm having a lot of discomfort slung under my bump this morning....wonder if it's linked to last nights stress?
Maybe baby is moving down...it feels rather cramped down there lol.

Gyo I'm going to get Dh to take pics of the labour and birth this time, I've only got the end result pic. Might even post them up for the wagoners.
Don't worry, I'll edit them so there's no "money shot" hehehe!

Kay- glad you like the card!! The socks came in a huggies pack... got them when i was adamant i was having a boy too, and just loved them... then the other night i remembered you saying you had no socks for DS2, and remembered i had a pair i wasn't going to use now!! glad you like them!! I was going to pop a xmas card in with the baby card but forgot all about it call it pg brain!!

One of my friends who i met about 4 years ago (met when DS was 4wks old) has text me, she's got loads of baby bits for my sister which is so nice of her... my sister was supposed to get the maternity grant, but they've still not sent the forms out to her and she phoned over 4 wks ago!! She was hoping to buy baby a wardrobe and drawers out of the money but i doubt she'll have time before she arrives now, she's due feb 2nd... and its xmas and new year so that'll take 2 wks out of the equasion!!

Kay LOL about your MIL. It seems when you're pregnant/given birth, your body is a subject that others can talk about with abandon! When my SIL was going into labor, my dad was sending me updates saying "she's 5cm now" and I just kept thinking EW, you're NOT talking about your DIL's hoo-ha!

Kayz,
Sorry I haven't been on since Friday to say congratulations. DS ws ill on weekend and DH and I came down with it on Sunday night - I never normally say this, but am sure it is flu. Achy, painy, coldy, coughing and not eating.

Anyone know if there is anything else other than paracetamol I can take - my throat feels like it's been ripped apart. Lovely DH gave me an Xmas present early - a v-shaped pillow - I really wanted one for breastfeeding and DH has given it early so I can get comfy while ill - aaaah! [soppy emoticon]

Can't stay - need to get sleep whie DS is at childminder for afternoon.

Kay, there is so much conflicting advice about BF, it is one of the reasons it didn't work out with DS1. I never expressed with DS2 (well not until he was weaning and I'd just hand express a little to mix with his rice) so I'm not really 'up to speed' on that side of things, but I did always hand express just enough to make my boobs feel more comfortable with him, wasn't even an amount most of the time, just the relief of a few drops and the let down was enough most of the time.

As everyone has said (and since everyone has said it, it must be right!) you are doing so well, you should be really proud of yourself. There is no getting away from it that BF is bloody difficult at first, and at times it seems like it will never end and you'll feel so pissed with it all, but it is all worth it in the end, it really is.

I meant to ask you, but don't want to give you anything else to worry about, but, bearing in mind DS2's size, do you think you perhaps were edging on having gestetional diabetes? Have you had any checks since you had him? It's just if your blood sugar levels are all over the place then you are bound to feel the effect of it. I know you said something about GD while you were pregnant, how far pregnant were you when it was ruled out?

Lbox, you have hit the nail on the head, we've all said sister need's mum more than mum need's her, but mum doesn't see it like that at all, I could bang their heads together sometimes! Is it all sinking in with you now? There is always a day where it just clicks that you are pregnant, and you walk around for a couple of days going "OMG I'm pregnant, OMG I'm pregnant, OMG, I'm going to have a baby, OMG I'm pregnant...."

Star, there are some nasty fluey type things going round, if it helps any, the end is in sight, it does get better! Hopefully sooner rather than later hey?!

Oh sorry, Star, you can take codiene based meds in pregnancy, but you'd need to get a prescription from the doc's.

Just so you all know

Sending lot's of good vibes Sorky's way.

Thanks NJ. Hope it's just a matter of a reassurance check for her.

I've just got home to catch up on emails and have got a conference call at 4.30pm. Will try and catch up on here a bit too - you've all been chatting lots without me!

Oh, no! Sorky hoping everything is well with you and your LO. Sending lots of {{{{{good wagon vibes}}}}}

nat - sorry to hear that u didnt sleep well either

glas- glad dd better lets hope any other ill stays away, duvet is gorgeous

gyo- poor you with heartburn

sorky- tv day sounds good we have mostly been watching tv today has bee nice to sit especially as i am getting really uncomfortable now bump is so low and right rib is still hurting.

kay- sorry u had a different midwife

received dds pink wall clock putting it up soon dh wants to check that there are no wires, pipes etc in wall i want to put it on.

i am getting so uncomfortable now 36 weeks tom. looking forward to midwife tom. iron sachets ar great have really helped dont really feel tired. bump is so out the front is touching the steering wheel in the car already.
dh will be back to work for a half day tom then come back to have dd so i can go to midwife.

Sorky, really hope everything is OK? We are off out now to get the tiny supplies, but I'll check in when we get back.

Tink, not long to go now! What date are you actually due? I think we need a new list for the actual dates!

Just got back from the hospital. They don't know what it is, possibly a muscle spasm.

At 29 weeks, some of you may remember I had a 'funny turn', which we thought might have been the baby turning suddenly and becoming fully breech.
It was exactly that, she has now thankfully turned back round. So if nothing else that has sorted out that query we had too.

Heart fine, palpation fine, size and waters all fine. Placenta located at top and posterior so they don't think she's lying on it when I lie on my side which can set off these movements. At best if she is lying on her cord then the movements are possibly her trying to get away. They are not concerned about cord around neck issues.

I see the CMW on Friday and if I'm still worried then I'll tell her too.

She wrote ceph palpation 2/5, is that only 2/5 can be felt or 2/5 in is the pelvis?

Aw! you gals are great btw

Sorky So glad to hear it all went well. I hope the doctor's have reassured you. You do sound remarkably calm for a woman who's just had to go to the hospital. Hoping all stays well!

i have posted on your other thread too- but glad you home and all seems to be ok!!

Sorky, I'm glad everything is ok.

I'm really struggling this afternoon to get DS2 to latch on and if I do manage to get him on he falls asleep within 5 minutes. But he then wakes up as soon as I put him down.

I have no idea what to do now really. I try hand expressing some so they are so full but it doesn't help. Everytime he cries my breasts leak but just can't get him to stay on. Also they are so painful and really really hot.

I'm going to have a good old wagon cry!!

sob away Kay. It's good for you.

Would you like a fantastic book, which I can post tomorrow to you called 'bestfeeding'?
It really helped me a lot when things weren't going according to plan. Lots of troubleshooting sections etc.
Yours if you would like to borrow it, I don't need it for a long time yet and you'll be completely sorted well before then, I know you will

oh kay..... my MW with DS told me to put cabbage leaves in my bra to ease the pain of them being so ful... i tried it in desperation and it did help a bit...

Try getting in a bath with DS2 and they will probably leak a bit, then try and get him to latch on after they've leaked a little... i can't think of much else... its been nearly 4 years since i had all this... never had any of this with DD as i already had milk- had only stopped feeding DS 3mths before...