due Dec 08-the one were we are so brain dead we can't think of a thread title.

[Veggiemummy]

hey there will this be the last one do you think

oh does it snow up there at christmas!!! we are desperate to take DS to some snow. Obviously a bit of snowboarding may be out for us this coming season but would love to let him just have stomp around in it. I think i might treat DH to a weekend away in early Nov up to castleton, he can take his bike up and do some cycling about and we can have a nice family weekend together. Also there is an otter sanctary that i love it has a massive otter in it from south america.

Veggie your poor DH - how hard that must be - and i'm worrying about my litle parents visit who have their health - I think I will call them tonight and suggest they come as planned, but have some things up their sleeve to do. I really appreciate everyone's input

Think I will get on Ebay now for a bit more retail therapy!It's freezing in London - does everyone have their heating on now? We haven't yet, but I think tonights the night! My tumble dryer arrived, and it really warms the place up when I use it so so far we haven't needed the heat on!

kmp we do have our heating on but just for about 1hr a day before ds goes for his bath to warm the house through. Ikwym about the tumble dryer warming it up, I've found my slow cooker does the same! Anyway, glad you've come to a decision re your parents, am sure they will have a lovely time.

veggie sorry to hear about your dh. That must be incredibly hard to deal with, especially so far away from you and ds.

Actually his dad is quite well but he had a chinese fortune teller say that he would die at the age he is now and i think for the chinese it is a bit like the Aboriginals pointing the bone, he is convinced he will die soon.

Kmp just remember it is only you and your baby you need to keep happy they can sort themselves out. And how could they possibly not enjoy a trip that lets them see their grandchild.

i have just started using it today just for an hour this morning and an hour this afternoon.

yeah they will enjoy themselves, they always do - it's just that dragging thing when family have been together in a small space for too long and running out of things to do when everyone starts getting irritable - and i've never been one to mince my words, so with little sleep and an all that I guess i'm scared I'll not bite my tongue if and when we start getting on top of one another if we don't have plenty to do! but thanks again everyone!

veggie - yes, it can be quite magically snowy in the peaks, even if there is nothing lower down, so you do have a good chance of proper stamping in the snow - its great! Sorry to hear about your DH's relationship with his dad - that must be very difficult and sad for you as well.

Ashamed to say heating has been on in our house for a little while, although it does tend to be a pretty cold leaky house. Hoping a change in windows will help matters...

My heating is on for an our in the evening and a couple in the morning...I usually really feel the cold but I think my bump is doing a good job of keeping me warm! I keep opening windows!
We had some ace snow at Easter this year (in York) but would love a snowy Christmas!

Veggie: sounds like a tough situation. Not much you can do other than support your DH. When is he home?

kmp: some other ideas for days out in and around London:

• Greenwich - market and docks, National Maritime Museum, park and then up the hill to the Observatory
• South Bank - Borough Market (Fri/Sat), Tate Modern, Royal Festival Hall (new eateries there) and I think there is a Garden Museum just past Westminster here (good cafe in the museum too)
• Day trips by train: Cambridge, Oxford, Winchester, Windsor & Eton

Other ideas:

• Richmond Park
• Hampstead Heath and Primrose Hill
• Hyde park/Green Park/St James Park (you can walk through all three), ending up in Westminster
• some of the little museums in London like the John Soane (near Holborn) and the Clockmakers museum (Guildhall, small but perfectly formed) - both free
• Columbia Rd flower market
• Dennis Severs' House, Spitalfields www.dennissevershouse.co.uk/

really, there is loads to do, not just the 'usual' touristy stuff.

he is home midday next tuesday. yay only a week to go.

Oh Veggie, I'm so sorry to read that about your DH. I'm glad he got to go though, and spending some time with his mum must have been good. Only a week to go - hang on in there.

KMP, I am sorry that your visit sounds rather stressful. Some good ideas on where to go in London though, and some nice day trips too.

Beans, with DD1 I LIVED in the Day assessment unit at Tommy's as there always seemed to be something to worry about. If it happens again, please do go for some reassurance (and an afternoon off work ). My best trip was when I thought my waters had gone at 28 weeks. Suffice it to say that they had to have a look but couldn't find the correct light to shine up there so got a huge torch from maintenance and laid it on the bed! It was so fierce it was burning my bits. Plus there was the comedy value of this huge lamp floodlighting my fanny with 2 nurses peering up there looking for water. When my waters did go, I flooded the room as I had so much, so the false alarm was just a, er, pelvic wake up call, shall we say? I knew the Day assessment women by name by the end of it so do go along and get it checked if it happens again.

Visitors - last time I got in lots of tea and biscuits (for the daytime crowd) and stacks of wine (for the evening boozers) and gave everyone a drink etc, which seemed to signify that that was how long it was appropriate to stay! Some people were offered another glass but many just left after one, esp if they were local. It's always quite good to use the nappy change excuse to get rid of people as well.

Talking of nappies, it didn't occur to me with DD1 to get a nappy changing kit (mat, wipes, bags etc) for downstairs as well as up to stop the traipsing up and down every couple of hours. Took years off me with DD2 having it all to hand downstairs.

DH out, so big bowl of pasta and some trashy TV beckons. See you tomorrow XXXX

chutney - you're a genius - changing stuff up and down - brilliant!

Just watching Holby City. It's such pap, but I'm weeping! A friend of mine used to be in it and I haven't seen it since she left, so no idea what's going on, but I'm booling my little heart out!

Just been to yoga and got chatting to a very nice girl - at last! Hurray! She's not due til February, but at least I've started speaking now... No stopping me!

kmp - where do you live in London?

chutney - I will indeed head along there next time I'm worried - thank you! Tommy's sounds good. My sister had a similar waters breaking incident - rushed herself in only to find she'd just wet herself. Poor thing! She never told me, my other sister did and that made me laugh a lot! I've told lots of people now - meanie!!!

Wimbledon Beans

Right, I will think on lots of fun stuff to do. If I can! I live in Battersea, so not a million miles away. Hmmm. Richmond is always a winner, I have to say - would they be happy on a bike?

Evening.

I would have been terrible if there had been a mouse at mine. Urgh!!

Zoe Everything up to and including the birth was great. The midwifes were lovely and reallu helpful. But as soon as I gave birth and after all the checks they do straight away I was taken off for a bath. I was never told where DH and DS were so had to go looking for them. The nurse was horrible, I had eaten nothing in over 8 hours and when I went to ask about some food she was on her mobile and refused to do anything for about 20 minutes while she arranged her night out. I was then given a mouldy tuna sandwich which I refused to eat. I really struggled with feeding DS as I had pethidine so he was sleepy, so when I tried to get him to latch on he wouldn't. I was just told to keep trying. I really hated her and we complained and got a written apology. She is the reason I didn't want to go to Scarborough this time round.

Fingers crossed she wont be there when you go or she'll be nicer.

hey hampton court palace and the Kingston-on- thames area is nice.

Veggie, I am so very sorry for your DH and basically I just hope the time flies until he is home again with you.

Oli, you are a very brave girl. I don't do spiders. Oddly, because tarantulas are bigger and fluffier, the thought of them offends me slightly less, and also the fact that they are usually a sort of black and tan makes them look friendlier. But a tarantula that was all one colour...oh no. Which is completely irrational. Rosmerta - I think I still may have mice as well and I STILL haven't sorted it

Beans - sorry about your scare and glad everything is a-okay. I was like that on Friday morn. Does anyone know how often they are supposed to be moving at this stage?

Kmp - I will have a big think about places in London and come back to you when I am more with it. Cos I was up until 4.30am projectile vomiting and I have been in bed all day, and I now see I have burst two blood vessels in my left eye from chucking up so violently. I look like something from Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' video which is just GRRRREAT. I've developed an intolerance to goji berries (so-called superfood beloved of Tibetan monks - or something) during my pregnancy and so have avoided them since the last vomiting episode about four or five months ago (though I did assume it was just a bad batch) - but I had a nice juice drink last night that had goji juice in (one of about 12 different juices in it) and the effects have been quite dramatic. Looking on the web I now see that lots of people have had allergic reactions to goji berries particularly if their immune systems are compromised, so for my sake, lovely ladies, steer clear of these poisonous little sods.

Hi again, have time for a proper read now (already 192 posts in this new thread - I think this definitely won't be the last!!) and feel like I've caught up.

Welcome to traceface and penny99 - hope your pregnancies have been smooth so far and continue to be so.

I?ve also noticed kicks and wriggles really low down, some seem to make my whole fanjo vibrate (sorry if you didn?t need to know that), and I agree veggie very off putting whilst holding a conversation! Until last week all the kicks were at the sides, so I?m thinking babyZJ has moved round in the last week. I?m hoping the right way and not the wrong way, but actually my bump is also much higher now than it was.

mibbes? I thought the isofix base and seatbelt base were different ? but it was a month since we bought it and got the demo, and I am suffering with pregnancy brain so could be wrong!

beans glad to hear your little bean is moving again

kmp it sounds really difficult for you, I hope you come a satisfactory conclusion with your parents. Could you ask them to have a day out every other day? That sounds like it?d keep your Dad occupied, give you some space and then the other days you can get your Mum to work extra hard to help round the house! Don?t forget the national museums are free. If they like effies suggestion of York, I can recommend places to visit if needed (I work in tourism in York so I?m happy to suggest a few things). Oh, and if you can?t vent at your parents, who can you vent at. Don?t bite your tongue all the time ? I bet you said worse to them when you were a teenager!

veggie it sounds like a hard trip for your DH, but its good he has some positives from it. And he?s home soon, yay!

chutney great tip about having a changing kit downstairs ? will add ?x2? to that part of my shopping list!

kayz glad to hear the birth itself went well, but what a nasty nurse. If there is anyone like that in there I?ll kick them from me and from you! I know someone who had a baby there this summer and both she and her Mum (who is a health visitor) were full of praise for the staff ? so I?ll just keep my fingers crossed that your nasty nurse is long gone. My other option is Hull, as the MLU at Bridlington doesn?t take 1st time Mum?s ? aside from Hull being further away (1hr, without traffic problems), I liked Scarborough because it?s smaller, and also the community midwife team are so much better ? several times already I?ve been thankful I?m not under the Hull team (only one ante natal class for example, messages not being passed on through the team etc), so hopefully this all bodes well for the rest of it. Thanks for the warning ? I?ll be on my look out!

ladyT you sound to have had a rough day, I hope you didn?t go out driving feeling like that? Hope your tum has settled now.

Phew ? read everything till my eyes are crossed, so will sign off and try to get some kip. Night night everyone xx

oh cheeky little beggars you must be really allergic esp as they were just a small ingredient. I am finding if i do vomit lately it is particularly violent, which i feel is completely unnecessary, if it's to come back out again cant it be a little more peaceful.

I have been having really bad stitch like cramps today, i did a yoga session and was fine but then walked to nursery to pick up DS with his scooter and was really hurting in one side (i think the spot where Veggiebabies head is) and then had to walk home slowly as it was really stabbing in my side. Poor DS was getting a bit sick of having to stop on his scooter and wait for his invalid mother to catch up but bless him he looked after me when we got home and sat me down and picked up all his toys because 'you can't bend over mummy'. I wonder if it is the ligament thing, but it really hurts. I have taken it really easy tonight and there is no sign of it now.

Zoe Its really getting bad round her isn't it. When you said you were in Driffield I thought that sounds too far away from Scarborough. Malton is the same you can't have your first there so here in Pickering its a choice of Scarborough or York. Scarborough is a lovely hospital but as well as that nurse its just a bit too far when I have been told I'll probably have a quick labour. What we're all meant to do as they are planning on closing Malton, Bridlington and Whitby in April when they finish building the new unit at Scarborough.

Is anyone else having any sharp sort of pain down there? I vaguely remember someone mentioning it before. Its mainly if I di to much walking or stand up too quickly.

I agree kayz - Scarborough for me is 'close' and 'only' half an hour away! I'm gutted about the MLUs as I'd have liked to have any future babes (providing this one doesn't put me off for ever!) in Brid - I was born there, so that in itself would have been nice. Tut. Enough moaning about that - apart from the lack of maternity services, I think we live in a beautiful part of the world, so lucky to have all that around us.

Now, really am going to bed now, as I promised 15 minutes ago ...

Oh god yeah Zoe, half a mile up the road and you are on the moors and its lovely.

hello all

a question for those who have done this childbirth thing before... what do you do if you regularly throw up when faced with huge amounts of pain?

i get fairly bad period pain and tend to throw up when it gets to its worst - similarly with the 2 m/c last year, i was vomming for britain. i can't imagine how impractical that will be during childbirth - any thoughts?

my thoughts to you, kmp - we're going to have a minor version of your situation when MIL and PIL come down from north wales to visit. at the best of times all they do is sit around, read the papers and talk at me, telling me how rubbish the other one is (dh has learned to keep his head down and out of their way). no idea how to put them off/get them out of the house.

oh, ladyt - that sounds awful - lots of good thoughts coming your way, too

veggie - hope it gets better

hello newbies

apols to anyone i've forgotten...

Hiya kayzisexpecting sorry to hear about the pain. I reckon it'd be worth checking with your midwife / doctor if it's SPD. It's pretty common but bloody painful - I have it and it's not fun! And it is particularly getting up and walking that hurt, as well as turning over in the night and putting on trousers / knickers etc. (The getting dressed bit I mean, not actually wearing them - I'm not running around starkers!! )

Here's some info ... www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/antenatalhealth/physicalhealth/pelvicpain/

www.askbaby.com/pelvic-pain-spd.htm

My doctor referred me to a physio session at the hospital. They taught some physio exercises and gave advice (including no long walks!), I'm glad I went, the SPD is a bit better, it doesn't wake me up at night any more.

hi all, does anyone remember me?i did join back in april and subsequently lost touch as i was suffering from hyperemesis and almost gave up on it all....just thought i'd try and trace some old pals back but cant seem to find them...am i on the right track though?i am due in december, the 13th to be precise but my name is not on the list.........is it too late to join this group pls?

Welcome back kutilputil! Feel free to add yourself to the list which is somewhere further down the thread.

kayz I get what feels like a sort of shooting pain in my cervix or a knitting needle in my bladder feeling sometimes. I usually get it when I'm sitting or lying down and it doesn't last long but is a bit of a shock when it happens. I asked the GP about it on Mon and she said it was probably the baby's head resting on a nerve or it could be changes in the cervix as it gets ready to dilate but she said it didn't sound like anything to worry about. Does that sound anything like what you have?

LadyT I hope you are feeling better today, that sickness sounds absolutely horrible.

veggie your poor dh. Roll on next Thurs when he'll be back with you and ds.

Sorry to everyone having family dramas. It's so difficult trying to keep both sets of parents happy I find. I always feel I'm being unfair to someone.

Last day at work for me today...yay and eek!

I hope everyone has good days.