Due December 08 - time to start blooming and glowing.

[JamInMyWellies]

New thread lovely ladies

Veggie I mean sunburnt, my boobs grew a little when preg before but this time they are huge well a C cup and am not used to having to remember they stick up so far and to use sunblock on them.

Good luck with the scans today.

Another ex east ender here I used to live in Poplar really dodgy but we had this great warehouse apartment and our view was of the wharf now i am a country girl who wears wellies makes jam and takes long country walks with the dog.

Hi everybody. Haven't been on for ages as things have been very busy, husband graduating, preparing nursery, work etc.

So sorry for losses, you are such brave ladies. I can't imagine your pain & don't know what words to say.

Had 20 week scan yesterday, everything looks fine, baby very active (the sonographer thinks we will have our hands full!). Then went out to dinner to celebrate wedding anniversary.

So that was great, but having a down day today. Firstly it is our 4th wedding anniversary & OH left for work at 6.30 & not home until gone 21.00. Can't even speak to him as he is on a shoot (works for a TV production company). Then, woman at work tells me every day how massive I am, & how she was my size when she was 9 months. But she is a size 8 tops, I was 14 before getting pg, so of course there will be a difference! Latest is that you can see bump coming long before you see me. I have put on 10 pounds since getting pg. Does this sound excessive to you?! Then I went to show people scan pics, to find I have left them at home. All small things I suppose but just make me feel really . Sitting trying not to cry now.

Sorry for me post, just needed to let it out.

Hope everybody else is well & happy.

jenduck - that woman at work is an idiot - ignore her if you can. if she really was your size when she was 9 months, i pity the poor baby who obviously wasn't getting enough nourishment. as i've said before, i'm now 14 stone, and put on 1 3/4 since getting pregnant (18 + 4) and i feel fine. better too big than too small if you ask me (am also quite tall, so you don't notice it too much). we are women, we are supposed to nourish our babies with our bodies, and all this body fascism drives me crazy, especially when it comes from other women (although, i do find it hard to remind myself not to be affected by it as well).

it's great to hear about everyone's scans - we've got 2 weeks to go.

it's also great to hear about everyone feeling movement - but here is a lonely call - can anyone else not feel anything yet? am feeling a)slightly left out and b) paranoid. i know, i know, first ones are felt later, but is anyone out there still waiting and trying not to get paranoid?

Ignore anyone who says anything mean to you while pg . 10 lbs sounds about right for 20 weeks, certainly not excessive. You're halfway along now!

Good luck for the scan today Artichokes

Doozie: early movement feels to me more liek fluttering and stretching than kicking. I don;t think te baby is big enough to kick yet! Iw ould also put off the rellies, or get them to leave early if poss. You really don't want to be worrying with visitors when you give bith, esp when establishing bfing and bleeding everywhere. Oh and you can eat (and drink) whatever you like when bfing - some people find certain foods make colic worse if you have a colicky baby but that's trial and error. And don't drink enough that you drop the baby!

Jenduck you poor thing, why do these women have to say these things are their own self esteems so crap that they pick on the easy targets, us with our bags full of hormones. If it makes you feel any better i am happy to tell you i have put on at least double what you have put on. I had a lady like that at my work during my 1st pregnancy who kept saying 'your only supposed to put it on the front you know' but luckily for me i was the 3rd of my colleagues to have a baby within 3 years and the other 2 put on weight like a real women (i.e. lots) so they had warned me of the comments that would be made.

I did have a friend who was boarderline eating disorder and she hardly put on any weight whilst pregnant but she seriously didnt eat properly. Luckily for your baby you are keeping it's interests rather than your own as the most important. Enjoy you proper sized bump!!!!

Waitinggirl i wish i could help but all i can say is i have known friends who have hardly felt a thing through the whole pregnancy, i had one friend got told off by her midwife because she hadn't told her that she hadn't felt the baby for several days when she was about 7 months. It continued happeneing but she would lie to her midwives and tell them she felt it all the time. She had a posterior placenta which i think someone mentioned earlier can make you feel less movement.

Jam we bought a house on the otherside of Canaary wharf to you on the Island, we had a view of the towers from our back yard. I do miss that view but do love the countryside. Love taking DS berry picking and walks in the country. Do you go back to London much. I have only been away for 6months but have become such a hick country girl, i find myself getting grumpy because is so close to me, but then maybe that is just because there is so much of me.

Jenduck ignore your colleague. I have had similar comments and I have put on 12 pounds (I am 20 weeks today). One colleague told me my face looks pregnant and yesterday my boss said "my your getting sturdy"... The thing is I thought I was doing quite well with the weight gain, with DD I put on 5 stone overall, but I lost it all and more through breastfeeding. Don't worry and enjoy your pregnancy.

Scan at 2.30pm. I think Lady T has hers too (same place as me but two hours later ). Good luck LadyT, I hope there is good news about the nasal bone .

Thanks for all your wishes yesterday. A lovely girl at work put me in a taxi (paid on company) as I was a bit tearful and just feeling ropey. Got home and slept for 3 straight hours and only woke myself up because I didn't think I would sleep at night. Needless to say I was fine after that - think it was just heat and tiredness combining to put me out of kilter.

Re the non-moving - don't fret. One of my best friends is due in the next couple of weeks and she didn't feel a thing until 22 weeks and was surprised that I was already feeling it. I was too - wasn't expecting it for a few weeks yet. It's such a strange feeling - like something squirming inside. Little beast clearly isn't big enough to be kicking yet as DH can't feel a thing. But I love it when my tummy goes all tight as it nears the surface, then floppy again when it moves away! Nice!

One of my bosses here told me when I was about 14 weeks and starting to stick out a bit, that she didn't even have to tell work til 20 weeks because she was so slim. Oh please. I'm 20 weeks now and there's no way I could disguise my bump now! It's really quite big.

Re Xmas - spoke to my Mum about it yesterday and she's being really relaxed about the whole thing. Easy whatever we decide and if we decide not to go and stay with them (they have lovely house in country), then they'll come up to us for the day. And if we do go for a few days, they'll even invite the inlaws round for a night to see the baby properly. Very kind. But they get on v well with inlaws. Slightly weird, but when got together with DH found that my mum had been on a couple of dates with his dad back in the 60s. Bleugh. But quite funny!

~PS Does anyone know where I can get a good long sleeved white top? Just plain. Looking on all sorts of websites, but can't find anything apart from a lovely one on Isabella Oliver, but that's £40.50 and just waaaay out of my budget for a white top.

PPS Good luck to all with scans today - will keep everything crossed for you and hope to hear good things later.
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i got a really simple white top from mothercare, i don't really rate much else that they have but this top has been useful as i can put it under more summery tops to give a bit of extra warmth if it's on the chilly side and still looks quite good (well i think so) it is very plain just a little v neck and long sleeves and comes as a double with a black one that is also good for wearing around the house when it's cool. I think they were only about £16 for the 2 nothing posh but handy.

My old boss said she didn't tell anyone until she was 24 weeks who are these people kidding. I think they are making it up.

My last pregnancy i ate a bit more than usual but was still running about 3 times a week and swimming up until i was 28 weeks and then just swimming until the end and i still put on 20kg, it happens and anyone who say they didnt put on much weight is either lying or has a warped sense of what is important.

Beans that lady at your work sounds so lovely. you must have so needed that sleep.

Thanks Veggie, I will have a look on their website, that's great!

artichokes will have everything crossed for you tomorrow xx
Doozie perhaps if you make it clear to your nephew that they will be expected to fend for themselves as you will be concentrating on baby and ask how long they hope to stay. Mind you am a first timer so have no idea how difficult the first few weeks will be... the milk coming in bit scares the crap out of me - esp if that happnes on xmas day ! Ooh and you have made me so with your yummy food shops in France mmmm am so hungry now ! Are the dos and don'ts food-wise different in France ? Are you following UK rules ?
Jam did you have them out in the park ?!!!
jenduck what a complete witch that woman is - 10 pounds is not a lot atall (I am refusing to weigh myself as don't want to know). Could you just say to her that you are feeling self-conscious enough without her snide remarks ? Am at what a blatant cow she is ! Does she have nothing better to do than think of nasty comments to make ? grrrrr
waiting I have felt some movement, but not a lot and it can be so fleeting that am not always sure if it is the baby or not. It feels like small popping, nothing like the butterflies everyone seems to quote. Laso sometimes feel as if baby is near the surface - must be moving position. I actually felt more 2 weeks ago - am convinced that due to extreme belly-expansion the past 2 weeks baby has loads of room to spin around without banging into to me so I feel less !

Started getting leg cramps during the night last night - OUCH !

Beans glad you are feeling better missus

I've been getting cramps as well - nasty things.

Beans: glad you;re feeling better

Re: putting on weight, I was pretty healthy in my last pg, gym until 7 months then swimming and still put on nearly 3 stone (all of which I lost afterwards).

Hope your GTT went went theyoungvisiter (btw that book is on my list of Things To Read When I Have Time and Energy).

Morning all,

Beans - I've just invested in some t-shirts from tesco, with 3/4 sleeves and slash neck - they do them in a range of colours and are 2 for £8 - bargain! They're not maternity but very long, so I bought a bigger size and the length is covering the bump easily. They're getting a lot of wear (models the navy blue one today)

On the weight thing, I read the average weight gain is 2 stone (although that depends what weight you are at the start), which I worked out to be about 1/2 lb a week - so at 20 weeks and 10lbs up, on my scale you are perfect jenduck - well done you! (should I patent this highly scientific calculation, I wonder??)

Good luck to all those with scans today

Z.x

I just did a pregnancy yoga session it a DVD by a lady called Tara Lee. Very good but am a bit worried the last time i did it it made me really sleepy and i'm going out with a friend tonight hope i stay awake.

I am now sitting down to jam on toast & a proper coffee, was quite excited about until mibbles mention french food now it seems quite boring. I really wanted to go to Paris this weekend to watch the last day of the Tour but DH got all practical and said it would be a bit boring for DS and maybe uncomfortable for me standing by the Champs Elysee for several hours. He always thinks ahead, damn it.

oh instead i'm going to get loads of chocolate eclairs and pretend i'm there.

I've put on about 17lbs so far (lost a few lbs yesterday with not eating), but have woken up with SUCH a hunger on today. For chinese food, strangely.

What a good idea. Let's all pretend to be in Paris today!

My lovely DH has just accepted an invitation to a weekend away on 24th January. Little beast will only be just over a month old - no way I can go, I'm sure! Don't think he realises the enormity of new baby. Any time someone says to us "your life will change more than you can fathom" he rolls his eyes and says he wishes people would stop going on about it. Considering these people have sprogs of their own and some experience in these matters, I really think that perhaps he should listen, n'est ce pas? !!

oh Beans i feel so much better that is about what i have put on but everyone else seemed to have put on less.

Strangely thats what i felt like last night. But DH is on a funny fasting thing at the moment (he has had dodgy digestion lately) so was no point getting takeaway for myself.

Beans going away is not impossible in fact we went away loads with DS when he was small long haul & short (we used to go on DH's business trips with him) but it does definitely get in the way of sorting out a routine, and in the end we were just with ourselves for the short trips not other people. For anything less then 5 days it's just not worth getting all packed up and leaving home.

For first timers it may sound like you are giving up so much for your new baby but believe me when they come along you would give up a million pounds to make sure they are happy and comfortable.

Hurray, Veggie that we're in the same boat. TBH, I'm trying not to worry at all about the weight issue. Once I've popped, then I'll get back on it (after a few weeks)!

I'm very keen to BF, but have a real phobia of it. Not helped by friends coming round and BFing in front of me, with babies who make really loud snorty slurpy grunty noises while they do it - sets my teeth on edge and makes me horrified at the thought of doing it myself. I really really want to try at least for a couple of weeks to get the goodies into the beast, but have such a thing about something sucking on my nipples. yuck. Poor husband! I'm actually really quite scared about it . Must get over it.

Yes, that sounds about right Veggie - it's a weekend away and massively boozy, so just not sure it's possible. Plus spending the whole day outside and just in in the evening to drink. Not sure it'll be good with a baby that small. And you can't really leave them when only that age as they're probably not sleeping through and I'd feel a bit mean on my Mum or MIL or whoever I picked - plus if breastfeeding, then just won't be do-able.

Beans: it does seem weird until you try it, I'd say give it a go and see how you get on. You'd be surprised at the difference having a hungry baby to feed makes (and no need to faff about with bottles and sterilising for the lazy sods among us). I certainly felt a bit weird about it, neither my sister or my mum breasfed for any length of time (my sis bfd her eldest for 6 weeks) and I thought bfing older babies and toddlers frankly bizarre: here I am 21 months later and DS is still having the occastional feed!

OTOH it is your body and your choice, so if you feel you can't go on with it it is absolutely your decision

there's a good bit on Hunker's blog re benefits of bfing for any length of time, i.e. even doing the first feed is a Good Thing - hang on...

howbreastfeedingworks.com/reasons-to-be-proud/