Due December 08 - time to start blooming and glowing.

[JamInMyWellies]

New thread lovely ladies

just got back from DS's nursery teddy bears picnic, all i did was sit on a blanket making small talk with the other mums but now i'm exhausted, also headache is getting worse, i feel like if i have a coke it will feel better but that would entail walking up to the local shop with DS maybe might treat myself to a decaf, i have some nice water filtered decaf grains in the fridge.

I guess i a way we are lucky we have only DH's sister and her family here in the UK so don't have to worry about Christmas arrangements. It used to be a bit of a problem when we lived in London as she would not dain to come over to the East end from West London, (they live in Barons Court which i think is dodgier than wapping but anyway). She insisted that we come over to theirs for her sons 1st christmas which was fair enough but as i was 14 weeks pregnant and we didn't have a car we had to cycle 1hr across london (actually took 1.5hrs cos i kept having to stop and was really slow) and then back again. And all she gave us was a small vegetarian curry, and made fried eggs for her and her husband as well because she insisted they needed the protein, not sure why we didnt but anyway.

The next year when DS was 5months old she again demanded that we must come over there. when i said no because it would cost a small fortune in Taxi fairs she got a strop and told my DH to hire a car, again i said no way, but suggested we could come for christmas eve, to which in her stroppy state said wouldn't work as her husband would be working (it would have been a saturday so i doubt it) and so i suggested boxing day which she finally agreed to i said we would bring dessert (i needed to know i would be getting some sustenance). So on christmas eve we were doing our last minute shopping and i couldn't decide on dessert so i got DH to ring his sister, amazingly her DH answered the phone and when my DH asked about the dessert he said they wouldn't be home because they would be going to the christmas sales!!!!! Not sure when they were going to tell us. So that was the end of it we never bothered bringing up plans for christmas after that. This year we will be up here and she is pregnant as well (due jan i think).

I'm so lucky...we always have christmas at my mums and she lives 3 minutes walk away....and there will be a house full of people who will gladly look after DS if I have to huff and puff my way to the hospital. I'm almost hoping it happens nice and late on Christmas night (so that I can ensure I don't miss out on dinner)...a boxing day baby would be great....I would also then be excused from any clearing up!

I have just had my medicinal decaf and feeling a lot better. I think i may have a resual caffeine addiction that will just not go away.

Have you gone completely cold turkey on the decaf, Veggie? I did for the first three months, and now I am drinking a cup or two of regular per day. Er, which might account for my increased cellulite - nice...

yeah i went cold turkey on anything caffinated as soon as i found out. last pregnancy i was fine didnt even fancy coffee and only started drinking it again at 24 weeks when we went to italy.

I have always loved coffee but i think looking after a young DS has helped me develop a serious caffeine habit, and as i can't stand instant i usually drink 3 strong proper coffees a day, so i think this time when i went cold turkey my body was not happy.

The 1st 3 weeks i was really grumpy headachey and generally feeling sick then that got better and i suddenly started getting pregnancy symptoms. So i think i may have almost gotten rid of my addiction but not completely. I think i might give up on decaf and get back into the real stuff, the Lavazza Qualita Rossa packet has been winking at me in the supermarket aisle, and ocado keeps reminding me that it is an item that i may have forgotten when i come to the end of the shopping bit on their website.

OMG LT your SIL is a nightmare !
I went cold turkey on caffeine - the chocolate avoidance only lasted about a week though ! Have the ocassional coffee now but still trying to steer clear for the most part. I'm afraid chocolate has become a daily habit...oops.

Hiya,

is anyone else feeling movement daily now??

its sooo cool

Am trying to get my NHS scan moved forward today as I don't want to wait till Aug 19th! lol

not feeling loads of movement...just here and there. Although DH felt it on Saturday....or do you think he was fed up of me forcing him to place his hand on my tummy and saying 'there..did you feel that.........or that one........just then....did you feel it'. It is possible he just said it so I'd leave him alone to go to sleep!

I'm feeling movement daily now, it's the wierdest feeling, but I like it!

Its interesting to read about your plans (or none plans) for Christmas - I'm hoping for a quiet one, as I expect to be still waiting around. We live next door to the in laws, so I'm hoping for an invite there, but also I hope they'll invite my family too this year as I don't want to not see them (and also I'll be more comfortable if I'm feeling grumpy in front of my family than the in laws!)

Veggiemummy - sorry to smile at your christmas tales, but really they're so bad they are funny! Families, eh?!

Z.x

Smile away, DH & I have given up on being annoyed with her and just don't expect much, i think DH gets a little annoyed that she feels she is more important than us esp when it comes to DS but we just put it down to her being a bit high maintenance and i think he's glad he didn't end up with a wife like his sister.

i think chocolate has been my downfall on the coffee addiction front, a daily dose of it has ensured i keep the barest addiction alive.

very proud though i was starving at 4pm but was watching the Tour De France so feeling fit and healthy by association (it makes sense in my head) so i ate corncakes with houmous, an apple and a peanut butter banana & honey sandwich. I think that is all very healthy wish their was a smug saintly looking icon to insert now.

I think that's very healthy as well veggie! I'm so glad we don't have the xmas issues! It is hard because dh's family are about 45mins away but my family are up in Yorkshire so we generally have to alternate. I think this year we're having xmas on our own, ILs on boxing day & then new year with my parents.

good luck with getting the scan moved forward Disenchanted. I tried getting a scan moved back because there was a possibility that DH would be in the US as the time. When i phoned, the receptionist mumbled something negative sounding, so i said quite politely 'oh thats fine if it can't be done don't worry', to which she very snappily replied 'oh it can be done, it'll just be really difficult' i said not to worry thanked her and hung up but i still wonder what exactly would have been difficult.

As it is DH will be home his work actually took him off the job that had been moved to those dates in the US just so he could be at the scan next friday, which is i think is really lovely as employers don't have to give men time off or make allowances for them to go to antenatal apts.

I feel movement when I am still, but generally that's not often so my movements tend to be confined to when I am in bed or driving. With DD1 I was twitching every few minutes if she went quiet, but with DD2 I was generally too busy to notice. It is very nice when it happens though - makes the pg seem a bit more real.

Christmas - I have put my size 7s down and said Christmas at our house for us only. My parents are quite relaxed about Christmas and so long as they see us at some point, that will be fine, but DH's parents will no doubt want to book in shortly and he'll have to say no. A 3 week old baby, me with no sleep and my outlaws will not a happy festive period make.

i meant to say there instead of their before, very bad english

I am so pleased to hear about everyone?s scans and updates.

Thanks everyone for your kind words of welcome and about my m/c. When I was going my previous pregnancies and m/cs I steered of any baby websites (couldn?t face them) and I stopped telling people after the 2nd m/c because of the atrocious things people would say and totally lack of understanding or sensitivity. I tell myself they mean well? no matter how deranged the comment. I could write a book on inappropriate comments and behaviour, but that?s another story. I just wanted to say thank you for your heartfelt support ? I truly appreciate it. Reading through the threads, sadly I see I?m not alone. I feel for those who have also experienced the crappyness of m/c too and wish you healthy, happy babies.

Baby movement, I?m 22 weeks now and this baby isn?t doing much dancing ? not that I can really feel anyway. In the scan they were jiggling about which I guess is the important thing and the sides of my belly are sore from stretching so that is also a positive sign. I still don?t know what I should be feeling exactly. Can anyone describe it? Sometimes I feel a dull, tugging/pushing pain which moves about. It doesn?t last long before they give up. I wouldn't describe it as a kick though. Maybe they just have a delicate touch?!

Christmas dinner at our place is going to be a meal of everything I?ve been denied for the last 9 months! I already have a mental list in my head of kir royals, smoked salmon, caviar & blinis (there is a specialist shop up the road from me that only sells smoked salmon, caviar & blinis and they are just so fresh and I?ve been craving them), soft unpasteurised cheeses, cured meats and sausage, shell fish, sushi, pate, fois gras, etc., etc.. I live in France and it has been hell not being able to eat all this lovely food! However, chocolate eclairs are still on the menu and baby loves them!

Just thought... can you eat all those things if you plan to breast feed or are they still no go?? Please tell me it is safe or I will cry.

Tell me if I?m crazy, a week after I?m meant to give birth my nephew and his girlfriend (both 30) are coming to stay as part of a European trip. Don?t know for how long or if they plan to stay for Xmas. They are lovely people, very easy going and perennial students (so not flushed with funds). My nephew has just finished medicine so maybe he could be of some help?! We live in a 2 bedroom apartment in Paris. As we have no family here, it might be nice to have them stay (and help out?) or it could be nightmare as I try to work out which end is up and live in my PJs? We said yes when they asked, but I didn?t no I was pregas then. Would if be mean to change our minds, knowing they banked on us for free accommodation in Paris? What do you think? I?ve lost the ability to make a decision!

Veggiemummy - I used to live in Wapping! I love that part of town.

Opps, this is an epic, time to go...

Sorry, I've missed out a few words there!! Didn't get much sleep last night! Typing and thinking is a struggle....

Hello All,

OMG never even thought about christmas till now. I'm sure I had said I would cook dinner for my parents & inbreds. That ain't happening now!!! Hopefully my mum will cook, and then we will call at inbreds later on for an hour. TBH having a baby at christmas is great for me. We normally have that many parties to go to that the whole thing passes my by and before I know it its New Year and I'm shattered. At least this time I will be able to excuse myself citing extreme exhaustion as the reason!!

Doozie, I think you are rather brave contemplating having your nephew to stay! Personally I found having people round for anything more than a 10 minute coffee was a real strain - especially if things are tough (which hopefully they won't be - but you never know).

If you have a c-section you may not even be out of hospital, or you may be out but not really able to move or lift anything. If the baby is late you might still be in labour when they turn up!

Also on days 3-5 my milk was coming in and I was in agony and just hobbled around the house with my breasts out because I couldn't bear anything touching them, leaking milk all over the place (sorry if TMI!)

But if they are honestly the kind of people who will do everything for themselves and not expect you to lift a finger, then good luck!

hmmmm - just read last few posts about avoiding coffee. are we meant to? i am still drinking it. does it harm the baby????

its my scan tomorrow. i am so nervous but i know it will be good to finally know whether they baby does have a heart condition or whether there was any other reason behind our nuchal result.

please, please keep your fingers crossed for me. i need all the luck i can gather .

artichokes, its caffeine really we're not meant to be having but a small amount won't hurt! I'm still drinking diet coke by the gallon!

I'll be thinking of you tomorrow, let us know how it goes

Arti lots of luck for tom my lovely hope all is well.

There is some research sayign something about no more than 4 caffiene filled drinks per day. I obviously ignore it all and drink masses of diet coke.

Went for a long walk with the dog and DS this arvo am totally knackered now so am eating a large bar of dairy milk caramel. We were meant to go with a friend and her dog but her husband called this morning to say they think she has gone into labour - no news as yet.

Also think I may have burnt my boobie toady

Doozie personally I would say its too much to have people to stay after all the emotional up and down you have been through. With DS on day 4 I spent the entire day in tears and my boobs were like bowling balls and hurt so much I was wandering around with them hanging out.

I think the main thing with caffeine is in the first trimester - some studies have shown it increases the risk of miscarriage.

I think the current guidelines (or at least last time I asked) are not more than 3 mugs of coffee or 6 cups of tea - so pretty generous.

I have a stuffy nose and headache too. I think it must be the air pressure. The last few nights I've used those nasal strip things at night which seem to help the sleep a bit.

I've told the family we're going nowhere for Christmas. I'm a c/s too - due 4 Dec - so like LadyT (I think) I will be in November - but even so the baby will still only be a month old. Last time, we struggled up north to a wedding (both DH and I grew up in the north) and after about eight hours on the motorway in an un-airconditioned car with a 7-week-old baby I'm telling you I'M NEVER DOING THAT AGAIN!!! So this time - forget it.

We'll have plenty of other Christmases to come... so I feel justified in being assertive.

Speaking of which, I've been very brave recently on the train and now just ask for a seat if no one volunteers . You should see how fast people react!!!

Caffeine-wise I've not had any coffee, not too much chocolate but I must admit I'm still drinking 'full fat' tea. I have two mugs in the morning - and then maybe one around 3pm - but nothing after that because of the insomnia.

Good luck to those with scans tomorrow!

Doozie i loved living in Wapping i used to live around Shadwell basin and also 3 years on Raine st just off Wapping high street. I do miss it it was such a nice quiet place to live right close into the City.

But you live in Paris now that must be amazing.
It is so crazy in those 1st few weeks with emotions and learning to live with something so small yet which takes up all of your time and attention, your life will be a little crazy but in a good way, but you won't have time to be having other people around regardless how close they are. I know people who had to ask their parents to leave after a couple of days. It's a really an important time for bonding too and other people being around can interfere with that. I'm sure your nephew will understand. Do you have any friend who might have them stay?

Jam you burnt your boob??