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HopefulB · 05/04/2021 13:31

@wimbler - EDD 29 July, surprise 💛
@Champson - EDD 22 August (but really June/July), TBC 💖💖💖
@coffeeandrainbows1- EDD 4 August (but most likely July), Boy 💙
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@diamante11 - EDD 29 August, Girl 💖
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BertieBotts · 11/04/2021 22:26

You don't have to pay £400 for a decent quality infant seat with base, nor a modular base set if you don't want to. I can do some lower priced suggestions but I need to go to bed :o

lucyrp · 12/04/2021 06:37

@BertieBotts yes I guess so! My car seat came in a bundle with my travel system and I bought my isofix base second hand off a friend for £10 🙈 I was thinking of maybe getting a different seat this time but I'm not sure

Dia12 · 12/04/2021 09:09

Hope everyone's doing well, I've missed lots of the threat.
Had a busy week and then a rotten weekend thanks to my toxic sibling who hasn't spoken to me in 2 years randomly pop over to basically give me a "take it or leave it" offer of reconciliation and then storm out of my house within 10 minutes because I basically wanted an explanation (and God forbid an apology). Not without getting some really nasty jibes in.
The next day I get an absolute barrage from my DM who said I should have melted at that half arsed shitty gesture - I feel absolutely terrorised by them both and aghast at how they think it's ok to treat me like this. I'm no wallflower, I speak up for myself, but it's an exhausting battle just defending myself and I end up so emotionally traumatised by it.
After years of trying, ivf, a loss at 16w and now finally a healthy pregnancy and I don't get an inch from any of them.
I feel so guilty for exposing my baby to this toxicity I'm feeling, all the shouting and crying. Just as I was about to start to relax and enjoy the pregnancy. In all this bs, I've started to feel movement and this should be such a happy time.
I'm sorry for the vent.

alittlexmasmagic · 12/04/2021 09:25

@Dia12 I can totally sympathise. I get in with my brother but am NC with my dad. My last pregnancy my dad out of the blue messaged the most hateful (and untrue) message upon finding out I was 14wks expecting. It ended "I wouldn't wish any harm upon the baby but I sincerely hope life shits on you like it did me". It didn't bother me too much at the time as I assumed he was drunk. I even messaged some of his old friends saying I was concerned about his mental well-being. 8 weeks later when delivering my sleeping boys all I could think of were his words. I can never forgive him.
I've an understanding with my brother that he doesn't discuss me (beyond pleasantries) with my dad. I quite happily go on not having anything to do with him. Hatred is a consuming and exhausting emotion, write your brother off and enjoy the pure beautiful love that is your baby. Your mum can take or leave what you offer her xx

Magik01 · 12/04/2021 09:27

@K2a0t1i5e my other half had a positive test result when I was around 13 weeks, although I never got tested so not 100% sure whether I got it (we didn’t exactly socially distance from each other though) I am stupidly tired a lot. It might just be pregnancy and my job though? 🤷🏼‍♀️ Who knows!!

Good luck to everyone who has scans today!! I bet your all super excited! I also have my follow up appointment today with a doctor so I’m feeling quite anxious to be honest. Also doesn’t help that today is when everything opens up so I think the roads will be slightly busier getting there.

@PurplePansy05 you are having some serious rotten luck in terms of your Reno! You got this though, everything happens for a reason I always say. Hoping your original builder doesn’t get the big C as well!

PurplePansy05 · 12/04/2021 09:45

@Dia12 @Alittlexmasmagic I feel for you both. I've been NC with my father since my first loss in 2019. Tbh he's never been present in my life as he chose his career, financial abuse, coercive control and a number of other pretty nasty things instead. He didn't have an easy childhood and then took it out on us. An example of a well-liked, successful, rich man on the outside and a bastard at home. Anyway, he has zero empathy or understanding and never has so he said some awful things to me after my first loss and I'll never forget that. That was the final straw, I told him what I thought about him, got all these years of awful behaviours of his out of the system and he didn't deny it. I think he is feeling sorry, but he could never apologise and I know he will never change. So I've gone NC. It's hard. I am emotional about DS coming in to this world and not having "normal" grandparents from either side but I strongly believe this is better than having toxic ones, from my own experience. In any event, my father lives abroad so it's not like he'd see him weekly anyway.

On DH's side, his parents are fairly local but he is NC with his mother and she truly is a nasty, nasty woman. I think so many things have happened and it's coming up to 6 years now that they barely spoke, it's not really going to change. Sadly this is also her own doing and pushin things way beyond anything that a reasonable person could accept. Now, this I am finding hard because they are not far away from us and I'm sad DS won't have the grandparents around. But I can understand things would likely end up messy and stressful very quickly and that wouldn't be good for him.
It's really difficult though, as we have no support from either side, only wider family, grandparents and friends. And I'm sad for DS not to have that bond, this isn't what I wanted for him.

But honestly, for the kids and for us, the worst thing that can be done is bringing them up in a tense environment full of conflict. No one needs this kind of stress in their daily lives. Unfortunately now in my mid-30s I've lived through enough to realise that some people are just dicks and they are unlikely to change. The fact they are family doesn't make them immune and it's not a card blanche to treat us in an awful way.

Stay strong, I know this isn't easy at times, but you're doing the right thing. xx

Dia12 · 12/04/2021 09:45

Thank you for the kind words @alittlexmasmagic and I'm sorry you experienced that with your father. You have been so strong to get through all of that. I just can't wrap my head around how family can be so toxic - but it's not worth even thinking about. I need to get over it and just erase their toxic memory and concentrate on something amazing I've been blessed with.

alittlexmasmagic · 12/04/2021 09:57

@Dia12 huge hugs from me it's hard. My dad is rather like @PurplePansy05's dad, the word narcissist is thrown around a lot on MN but he truly is. The irony is he disowned his own father because he was a nasty man too. Now he plays the victim card to its fullest.
Honestly the best feeling in the world is that of relief at never having to be bothered by him again. My cynical but appropriate view is that if you have no expectations you can't be disappointed.x

BertieBotts · 12/04/2021 10:00

Ooh @PurplePansy05 I saw your reply on the other thread - have you had your shopping appointment now? Would love to know what your faves are, I could geek out about this stuff all day :o

I bought the first thing for the baby and it arrived :) This little elephant dummy holder/comforter. It was so overpriced but I'm splurging. Also got some clothes from Next online but those haven't arrived yet.

DS2 very unsure about the idea of something being for the baby and not him!

Aug 2021 - half way there!
Dia12 · 12/04/2021 10:14

Oh I'm sorry @PurplePansy05, your experience sounds familiar too. I'm glad you were able to get it out and vocalise how you felt to your DH. I haven't had the chance to do that with my toxic sibling. But I need to learn I can have closure without it too.
I have only two dysfunctional members I've mentioned on my side and no family on DH's side at all. I can understand the sadness in not having those relationships for your child, but you're right, it's not the kind of nurture they need.
I do feel, if anything good may have come of this awful family, it is that I know exactly how not to parent my child. I'm sure we can all be better parents and role models than we have experienced ourselves.
Thank you for sharing that with me, I feel less alone x

PurplePansy05 · 12/04/2021 10:28

@BertieBotts I had the virtual JL one and this weekend we are going in store, to our local retailer and to Mamas & Papas. I remain open minded in a sense that if I really dislike the top items we're thinking about now then we'll go for something else. However, on paper we are 95% set on Uppababy Cruz 2 and on MaxiCosi Pebble 360. The JL assistant was really refreshingly honest about the practicalities of each of the items we shortlisted, how many returns they get, she even has the same car as me and said she'd measure the pram fitting in her own car for me in case my local retailers don't allow it. I mean, it doesn't get better! I have had no comparison against Mamas & Papas of course, so final decision after this weekend. However, what I found really helpful is thinking about what my priorities are and how I go about my day. I've concluded that actually it's unlikely for a multitide of reasons we will ever need a tandem buggy and that in any event I'd go for something lighter than Vista 2 should life go this way. I still adore this buggy, but Cruz 2 really is just as good now and for me it'll be far more easier to manoeuvre and a better car fit.

She has also recommended several travel/lighter toddler buggies and I've actually bought one now (Silver Cross Pop, it was £75 off yesterday on the official website, with consistently strong reviews).

I also have a lot of practical tips re storage, changing bags etc. Honestly, it was so, so good. I would have done it sooner had I known how valuable virtual appointments can actually be xx

PurplePansy05 · 12/04/2021 10:35

@Dia12 I completely agree. It was a lesson on how not to conduct relationships and how not to treat your child, for sure. I too try to look at it this way and it makes it easier to digest. I am also strongly protective over my child, I am not going to expose him to what I had to go through if this can be avoided. Instead I will treat him with respect, love and encouragement.

What helped me over the years was journalling. It's surprising what comes out when you put a pen to paper, but I think it might help you immensely with reducing the burden of it all and getting closure. xx

PurplePansy05 · 12/04/2021 10:49

Can I throw another topic into the mix, sorry but it's been on my mind for some time: baby monitors.

Yay/nay?
Which one?
When to start using if yay?

I am bamboozled with them tbh. I put my hands up, deep inside am freaked out of SIDS, which of course can affect anyone. I know it's rare, but with him being a boy and with prior losses I'd like to get some reassurance (even if it's placebo - more for my peace of mind so I can sleep and not go insane after he's born). Thoughts much appreciated! xx

LyraShaeLilly · 12/04/2021 11:10

I don't think you need a monitor until they are in their own room. So maybe from 6 months?
Under 6 months you should be keeping a physical eye on them and they should be sleeping napping in the same room as you I think?

But I would also like some advice on them and what to features are needed as some a cameras that cost hundreds ££s

Daffodil21 · 12/04/2021 11:12

@PurplePansy05 also wondering about baby monitors. We want a video one and did look all the fancy ones that claim to do lots. I almost bought one, but this was before I found out you shouldn't put your child up to bed when you're downstairs when they are young 🙈 totally clueless FTM here!! So now we're just thinking of a basic video one (video to be useful when he's a little older). Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Sorry to hear about all these toxic relationships. It's such a shame, but just remember lots of children don't have the standard two sets of grandparents. It's better not to have them around if they're going to be toxic. I cannot believe some of the things I've just read that have been said to you all. Makes me glad my father decided to stay out of the picture altogether!!!! You don't need this stress, especially not right now. Sending you all hugs Thanks

lucyrp · 12/04/2021 11:48

@PurplePansy05 never used one! Baby was always in same room as me or on same floor until he was over 6 months and then after that I just used to leave the door open and could hear him wherever I was in the house. He didn't go into his own room until he was like 2 maybe so could definitely hear him crying at that point but for naps in the day he slept in his own room when small. But no never seen the advantage of them to be honest! And to be perfectly honest camera ones creep me out after seeing all the stuff on the internet.

PurplePansy05 · 12/04/2021 11:56

How about those things that notify you if the baby stops breathing - breathing monitors? I thought some of the baby monitors have this function?

DS will definitely be glue to me for the first 6 months. I am more so thinking not about what happens if he's crying, but if he was to stop breathing. Another thing is, after 6 months my cuddly cat would likely try to snuggle up with him in the cot, whilst very cute I unfortunately can't allow this, meaning I won't be able to keep the nursery door open and this is where I think I'll need a monitor? xx

Inmypjsagain · 12/04/2021 12:18

Haven’t read all posts so I’ll catch up after work but re: baby monitors, I’ve been recommended this one: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.techhive.com/article/3606829/panasonic-video-baby-monitor-model-kx-hn4101w-review.amp.html but have been told none are that great! I haven’t looked into monitors that check on breathing but I know you can get pads for the cot that monitor breathing; all the advice I’ve had is not to get that because it either gives you a false sense of security or unnecessarily panics yous as they’re not totally accurate!

Interested in others experiences as again, it’s another thing with overwhelming choice!!! X

Inmypjsagain · 12/04/2021 12:22

Sorry in my rush I realised I linked the wrong one (so many baby links in that WhatsApp convo history!) it’s this one I was recommended: www.argos.co.uk/product/6255062

BertieBotts · 12/04/2021 12:28

Aah yay that all sounds brill - love that she is going to check it in her own car for you!!

Baby monitors - I'm a bit old school on this. I have only ever used an audio one. I start using one from when they go upstairs to sleep by themselves before me, which with DS1 was about 8 months, and DS2 was about 3/4 months (I forget exactly). One with lights on it to indicate that there's noise happening is very useful, as it will catch your eye even if you're watching TV or hoovering or listening to something with headphones.

I have used a video one that we borrowed from a friend but personally I don't see the need. It was a pain to set up and the battery doesn't last as long. If I want to see the baby I would rather go up and physically look/check. But I am also not a person who has done sleep training or left them alone to fall asleep by themselves until they are older, so I don't really need to keep an eye on an older/more mobile baby or toddler, or use it to see whether or not the baby is asleep yet without disturbing them, which from what friends say is the useful part of them. DH liked the video.

Those breathing or movement monitors, or you can now get oximeters for babies - I don't like them personally. Reason being. The breathing/movement monitors were originally invented as a way to pre-empt SIDS because it was believed that sleep apnoea related periods of pausing in breathing (which is totally normal in infants because their breathing regulation systems are immature) may be an event which preceded SIDS, and so they are sold on this basis, that if your baby has a non-breathing episode, then they might be about to succumb to SIDS and so by alerting a caregiver, you can go and rouse the baby which sort of "reminds" them to breathe and therefore they won't die of SIDS. But more up to date research shows us that this is not the case. Breathing pause episodes are completely unrelated to SIDS, yet what I don't like is that the companies who sell these monitors still continue to market them as though that initial assumption was correct. And you see it a lot in reviews of them, that people believe the device has saved their baby's life because it has alarmed and then their baby has not died, but in reality the alarm had absolutely nothing to do with it. I find this really unethical marketing, and I don't like it. Because of course if you tell someone "Spend £200 for a lower chance your baby will die" they will do that. You would pay anything to avoid losing your child. And in reality all the monitor can do is provide reassurance that your child has not died, it will not (sadly) prevent them from doing so. If you think you will struggle with anxiety once a baby moves into their own room and want to keep checking them all night even though you know they are probably fine, then it could be worth it on a reassurance basis. But do not buy it thinking that it lowers the chance of SIDS, it does not.

The other problem I have with breathing/movement monitors is that they encourage parents to take more risks than they would otherwise be comfortable with. For example, parents will put infants to sleep on their tummy or move them into another room early, and justify this with "We have a breathing monitor". Now, I'm not saying never go against guidelines, I don't actually think the point of the guidelines is to follow every one perfectly to the letter, BUT you should evaluate risks and make a choice based on whether or not you are comfortable with that risk, and not factor a movement monitor into it, because as I said before, the monitor does not reduce any of the risks, it just lets you know that everything is still fine.

False alarms can also be a problem, and being alerted to harmless (but terrifying!) instances of a baby not breathing or not moving could cause unnecessary anxiety. If you're already prone to anxiety that could even make things worse. All of this taken together, I think these movement monitors are a bit like the topic of using dopplers in pregnancy. Can provide reassurance, can be dangerous in terms of being falsely used as a diagnostic or providing so much reassurance parents ignore other precautionary advice, can relieve anxiety, can cause anxiety through false alarms (!) Perhaps if you think about your feelings on dopplers, you might be able to transfer this to movement monitors?

Oximeters are a slightly different thing, because they are measuring oxygen saturation levels. Now again I have a problem with the marketing of these devices, and they are less like £200 and more like £400. The marketing suggests that sleep is this incredibly dangerous period in a way which is just designed to induce fear and misrepresent the absolutely tiny danger of SIDS. I find this really abhorrent and nasty, a lot of people are already incredibly anxious around SIDS, having marketing ramp this up so that people are more likely to buy your product and you can make money is morally despicable IMO.

OTOH, oximeters are actually used in hospitals, and although they probably won't give you information about whether or not your baby is susceptible to SIDS, oxygen desaturation is a potential issue, particularly if your baby is in a compromised position such as sleeping at an incline (raised/angled surface rather than flat) or has any items around them which could be a suffocation risk. It's quite possible that an oximeter would alert you to desaturation caused by the baby having their face pressed into a cot bumper, or having their airway compressed due to their head/neck position, and since desaturation becomes measurable before it is dangerous, it would give you the chance to adjust their position or remove any items compromising their breathing.

But again you get the same argument - is it safe to adopt riskier sleeping practices such as using a cot bumper or a sleep nest or an angled sleeping space simply because you have a monitor? I'm not sure in this case, because there is evidence that it would actually detect the right problem. But on the other hand it's really unlikely that any direct comparison studies have actually been done, and it might make more sense to just follow regulations like sleeping on the back, no bumpers/toys/nests/pillows in the cot, keep time in inclined surfaces to a max of 2 hours at a time and use the safety harness properly (same advice as car seats), don't use for overnight sleep. And having had a baby in hospital with loads of monitors on them, it was so tempting to rush out and buy every device when we got home so that we could continue to have that reassurance, but in the end I had to tell myself that it was no longer medically advised for my baby to use those monitors and it was sensible to trust the doctors. They are used (for poorly babies) in hospitals, but does that mean they should be used for healthy babies at home? Probably not. If it's medically indicated, you'd be lent one, and if it's not medically indicated - false alarms, dangerous reassurance etc are still issues just like they are for the other products.

About the guidance to have them in the room with you for ALL sleeps until 6 months. I personally take this one with a pinch of salt. I think people can get very het up about this on MN, but I think it's so important to put advice/guidelines into context and make your own choice about what is accpetable to you and what is a reasonable approach to take.

The advice is based on the premise that quite obviously, the risks of SIDS do not magically disappear between 7-10pm and they are not present only for overnight sleep but also for naps. However people tend to see these two types of sleep as "less important" to follow guidelines and so will use things like swings, baby nests, or leave babies alone in a separate room for these periods of sleep whereas they would not do this for the main chunk of overnight sleep which overlaps with your own sleep. But I think you need to weigh it up for yourself. If the benefits of an evening with your partner or an undisturbed room for your baby outweigh the elevated risk for SIDS (which is incredibly small after 4 months anyway) then it might be fine. Likewise if it works for you to spend the evening in the bedroom, or have the baby in the living room, then fine. But I see a lot of posts from FTMs who are diligently doing this, sitting in the dark all evening, missing their partner, feeling like they have no time away from the baby or time to relax and it's causing them PND or a huge amount of stress! For such a tiny reduction in SIDS chances for a very short portion of the night. Most advice that we are given has already weighed up the cost/benefit, and I think this particular one misses the mark for a lot of people. Important ones for me are room sharing until at least 4 months minimum (for the main chunk of sleep), sleep on the back, firm flat surface (cot or similar), no overdressing, no suffocation hazards, no/reduced or distanced smoking as much as poss, and only co-sleep if you're following all safety guidelines. And just be sensible about the rest.

BertieBotts · 12/04/2021 12:44

IME cats absolutely hate babies and won't go near the noisy, grabby thing that is stealing all their humans' attention :o But defo sensible to close the door.

PurplePansy05 · 12/04/2021 12:44

I share a lot of your thoughts Bertie. I did read they don't actually prevent SIDS, like I said, I am considering this more so from the point of view of alerting one of us when DS isn't breathing/his sats are low. I know this might not be linked to SIDS, but in my head, if it might actually alert us to act sooner then it might be worth it. I am of the view that my sleep will be compromised anyway, particularly at the beginning, but I really don't want to do what some of my friends did, basically staying awake 24/7 watching their newborns breathing. I just don't think that's the way forward at all and it will do more harm than good if I'm sleep deprived to that extent.

I wouldn't buy this and then dose off ignoring the safe sleeping position advice either, he'll always be on his back with no toys/other items in his crib/cot. But for the little sleep I'll be getting, I feel it might help me sleep better.

Having said that, £400 is just ludicrous and it's a no from me. Maybe I need to get over myself and not buy it. Or buy a monitor (maybe audio or video) for when he moves to his own room. We do want to have a go at sleep training, I think, although there are so many opinions on this that I really don't know tbh. xx

BertieBotts · 12/04/2021 12:54

IME I found that co-sleeping completely alleviated any of my anxiety about whether or not he was breathing. I know that's not a solution for everyone though, but it is worth reading about safe co-sleeping and seeing whether it's something you would be comfortable with or not. In any case the guidelines are very useful to have in mind in case you have a night that you really can't put them down but you are worried about falling asleep yourself.

I didn't move either of mine into their own room until they were over 1 because I liked being able to wake up and listen for their breathing. So I can defo see it may be reassuring to have that if they are in another room, but that's how I got around it personally :) We have quite a big bedroom and even when DS2 was in the opposite corner of it in the travel cot I could hear his breathing just fine when it was quiet in the middle of the night.

I expect there are second hand options. I just didn't look into it TBH because I felt audio would be absolutely fine for me. I wanted to be alerted to crying (or DS1 - moving around on the bed as I left him in our bed without rails), if I felt there was anything I needed to be more aware of, then I just kept them in the room. I think I wouldn't have trusted a machine to do it for me!

BertieBotts · 12/04/2021 12:57

On the same topic of how long to keep them in your room and whether or not to co-sleep, that's something else to think about if you're considering one of those bedside cots, as many of them have a 9kg weight limit which is 6-9 months for average babies, it was 4 months for DS2 as he was giant. That would have been too early for me to move him personally. Hence this time we are converting a full sized cot to a co-sleeper.

alittlexmasmagic · 12/04/2021 13:02

I had a Motorola video cam and whilst it was handy, it drove me nuts at time. When the Wi-Fi or power disconnected it beeped... not great at 2am. We're in an old farmhouse, semi-rural so outages were common. I also agree with @BertieBotts that for the most part it's not necessary and the battery was appalling. When I did use it, it was purely for video and not audio as he was in an adjoining room with a door that didn't shut so I could clearly hear.
The plus points for me:
I did sleep train so whilst I was literally sat outside the door, I could see him.
From 1 yr old he slept at MILs once a week, so I could hook it up to their WiFi for them and view at home using the app.x