Due in December 07 - look at that bump!

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OK hopefully no-one else has started a new thread!

Morning all!
Claraq - I like Becklesnowflake! Have been trying to think of a Christmassy name (although may leave it until December to change it to that). Sad aren't I?!
Thanks for anniversary wishes Amani! Am celebrating with an enormous pile of work (grr) and my BIL is coming round this evening to gloss the stairs - all good fun! I will probably be ironing... I am with you on the feeling drained at the moment, one morning last week I fell asleep on the floor whilst playing with DS2 leaving the poor little fella to play by himself .
Cholestasis is to do with the liver, I don't know much about it but it can be managed during pg and you will possibly be induced early. They keep a good check on bile acids and liver function and stuff - when will you get the results? Did your tests for Strep B come back negative last time? I think it is one of those things you either have or don't. I have never been tested for it.
Insy - sorry you are still feeling awful, I would imagine that some of the sick feeling is because you are overtired with work and cold. Can you go home early or take a day off to try and rest a bit?
Wizzka, I worry about my LO being breech too although it is starting to go head down for longer each evening and sometimes in the daytime too. Today I think it is sideways though, strong kicks low down and out to the right and less strong ones (punches?) directly into my pelvic floor. Have a lump to the left hand side of my bellybutton again which I am guessing is either a bottom or head! That does seem to be baby's favorite position at the moment!
Neuro and that baby being left to cry for 3 1/2 hours! I can understand leaving a baby to cry when you want it to re-settle in the night but not for that long! There is also a difference between the "I'm cross because I want some attention" and "I'm really upset and need a cuddle" cries, I would never leave a hysterical baby to cry even for 5 mins.
Bouncing, I have an itcy patch on my lower back, has been there all pg, there is no rash there at the moment but there was at the beginning. Docs and MW just said it was normal for body to do odd things while you are pg!

Insy no. The baby cries from the same place all the time - his cot i am guessing, which is the room next to mine but one floor down.

then thats horrible neuro at just letting baby cry for that long - as beckle says there is a real difference in leaving a very upset baby just to cry out and really sad for the baby

my mum just called and she's going to pick ds up from childminder so I can get a nap - I just need to get a little more work done then I'm going home - any advice for chesty cough medcine for ds? he's been having medised but he has a really bad cough... prob a trip to pharmacy again on way home

Neuro - how old is the baby? And does it sound like the parents go in to check on it every so often? Perhaps (again to give them benefit of the doubt) they are trying controlled crying to get it sleeping through - although I could never leave a baby to cry for THAT long. (Having said that I have a good friend whose dd would not sleep in her own bed until she was four; they tried everything including letting her to cry for four hours....). Not sure what you can do - are you friendly with the parents? Perhaps you could ask them how things are going, they might have a perfectly plausible reason. And do they seem to be good parents in other ways?
I guess you could always mention it to the HV when you see her (not sure about where you are but I am seeing mine as part of my antenatal appointments this week; however it might be earlier than it should as they are combining it with two-year check for my dd) - in a sort of "I'm not getting much sleep because the baby downstairs cries so much in the night". Then you are alerting them if they have had any other concerns about the parents.
I know people don't like getting involved but I always think better safe than sorry when a baby is concerned?

Becklespookle - the alternative is Becklesanta!

Insy - my dd had a terrible cough last winter which went on for months. We tried all the Tixylicks cough medicines but nothing seemed to work. In the end we just had to wait for it to go away on its own.

Housemum and Beanster - you should see the state of all the laundry in our spare room ! I hate sorting out clothes. It takes an absolute age, and I only have to do mine and DH's. I am dreading all the little one's clothes too. I just look at it and think I can't be ar*sed.

Claraq i don't think the baby is checked up on. AT all. At nighttime you can hear people walking about and nothing.

My flatmate overheard the parents recently out on their balcony saying what a disruption the baby is to their lives. Nice!

They don't appear to be be loves young dream. And all we hear is 'NO' constantly.

I will mention it to Health Visitor.

Beanster - have tried chocolate - raided the kids' chocolate fingers that DH bought as a treat! Have got my butt off the chair and cleaned the bathroom sink. Laundry isn't the big problem here, it's more "stuff" - I just can't get rid of things. I kept so much from DD1, I wish I hadn't, as I really think kids are better with fewer toys - just a few key things to spark off games. Of course, with all DD1's stuff, then being given more each Xmas and birthday, our house looks like Toys R Us. Then there are my books - I'm being really good these days and trying to borrow from the library where poss - you can reserve books online for 50p and you get an e-mail when it's ready for collection. I must shift more stuff or this baby will be buried under a ton of dolls and teddies....

Hi Beckle
Thanks for that info, decided I am not going to read up on it until results come back next week, that way I won't stress myself out over it. Yes was tested postive for Group B Streps last time- think I am going to try one more time with m/w (going to be a bit more demanding like housemum ) and see if she will do it.

Anyhow - have just eaten a jacket pot for lunch and still feel hungry. Am I being greedy or does baby need a chocolate covered flap jack too??

Amani - never mind the bambino - you definitley need choccy covered falpjacks - everyone in fact always needs those

I'm making do with maltesers

Falpjack - not sure about that but Flapjack - now you're talking

I could eat or falpjack, a flapjack, a jackflap or a palkjack. I'm not fussy.

amani - I think you would be a bad mother if you didn;t give your baby the chocolat-coated flapjack thats/he so needs!

neuro - I agree with claraq - if you are quite sure that the baby is literally being left to cry for hours then I think it has to be reported to someone official. I know it is very awkward doing those kinds of things but that will cause the poor baby immeasurable harm. The only explanation I can come up with in which they are not abusing their child is that one of them is already in there with the baby and holding him/her but s/he has colic or something and doesn;t stop crying - is that conceivable?

claraq - I know I am a mad woman with my visions of Hitlers in the hedge - also they didn't look like Hitler but David Copperfields (can;t even think who he was but know what he looked like) but I KNEW they were Hitlers

Thanks for the advice on babies being breech - I am also seeing the consulatant at 36 wks so will ask then. Did you have to have an emergency CS then because they didn't realise your dd was breech? how horrid

mimicakey - if you are thinking of getting a mattress in case your waters break it will also be useful for the first few weeks of bf when you leak copiously during the night (I ruined my lovely new mattress with dd). Think it's fairly rare for waters to break pre-contractions - 10% of cases think I read..

Hope everyone else is Ok. Still no MM...

Hi Skiddaddle - no luckily for us we were sent for another scan at about 36 weeks as the midwife wasn't 100 per cent convinced the baby was head down. But I think had we not known she was head up at 28 weeks and didn't think she had turned, they would not have been alerted to this possibility (if that makes sense!). So we had the scan, she was still breech and I ended up with an elective - which was fine.
The moral of my story is: if in doubt, insist on a proper check. A lot of breech babies are missed.

Instead of a flapjack, I've opted for a Wispa bar. I spied it in the newsagent, I didn't know they'd brought them back!

I bought a plastic fitted sheet to go over my mattress, in case of breast/waters leaking. I tried it out and found that it makes the bed soo hot I had to take it off again. Perhaps the pampers disposable things are teh way forward unless anyone has any other suggestions.

wizzska - is it pure plastic? I think you can get ones that absorb the moisture instead of just repelling it but they are a bit more pricey - we got a baby one for dd's bed and she seems OK and not too hot - got it in John Lewis and it was 12.99 I think(for a small single)

Wispas - now there's a blast from the past, would LOVE one of those

Wispa's - jsut loved the way they melted in your mouth - yummy.

Have jsut sent off a rablle e-mail to my project boss (who's based in london) to let him know that all things Scottish are not all sunny up here project wise - crap attitude from my contractors and too much interference from HQ - and come next week when I do the handover to my replacement I will be doing one as the saying goes - and now I am going to play on the internet for an hor then go home early to sleep

Taken a break from training up maternity temp: hard work!!

Gosh - forgot all about Wispas - thought they had been phased out.

Had a lovely flapjack thank you very much, hubby emailed me to say he bought my favourite dessert from Marks and Sparks for tonight. Really am spoiling myself today...... baby needs it!!

Not heard anything from MM.

Amani - I had Group Strep B last time round too, picked up when I had a swab taken due to being unsure if I had thrush or not (sorry TMI). MW said this time I wont be tested but I will automatically get the antibiotics during labour. My friend is a (senior) MW and she recently attended a seminar on it with a consultant and apparently it's one strain of Group Strep B that poses the risk to the baby, I forget the details now but I need to check it out soon because I think I'll get the test (privately probably as MW was adamant I wouldn't get tested this time) and if it's the low risk strain I might refuse the antibiotics. I certainly don't want to risk the baby's health but I don't like the idea of anti-b's just being given as a matter of routine. Plus was the contributor to me getting thrush in boobs postnatally last time which very nearly ended breastfeeding for me.

Hi to everyone else, Neuro - that poor baby being left to cry for such a long time.

Good news to those of you bringing forward your maternity leave, you'll be glad of the time off.

Really hope MM is ok

Skidaddle - yes, its pure plastic. I thought it might be ok with a blanket and a sheet over it, but it really isn't breathable enough. Will have to get a more expensive option. It might be useful if I go ahead with the homebirth, or even to use over the carpet when we're redecorating.

My Wispa was every bit as good as I remember them to be. Great with a cuppa tea - mmm melty chocolate.

Maybe MM has gone for a week away. Hopefully she'll be back to tell us all about it next week. If not, then I'll start worrying and imagining things - like one of her meet up dinners going wrong or perhaps she's had the baby early! Yikes, am turning into my worrying gran! I'm sure she's fine.

wizzska - yes will be v. useful for a homebirth, lucky you

But wouldn't MM have mentioned if she was going away? She does usually post about ooh 50 times a day...

Skidaddle - yes I know. Maybe MM's work is not letting her log on.

Just had a phone call from DH. He got home from work early and has had a hot bath and a kip, it should be me doing that!

too right wizzska!
have just been very tediously going through pensions and arranging payment holidays. yawn. who mentioned a wispa?
thanks for the positional scan suggestion- that sounds like a good idea- one of my patients this morning told me that that happened to his wife- they didn't realise until baby started somcing out! He had to be shoved back and delivered by c section.

Agree with skid - MM is usually very vocal on mumsnet!
Thanks Loucee interesting to know that