sleeplessness, toothache, hip pain - the joys of being due August 2007 !!

[tokentotty]

Now that's all out of the way in the thread title we've all got to head down the "things can and will only get better now" ok?? All ailments stop and nothing but good things will befall us all.

Right.

If I've remebered this right, during childbirth your coccyx that normally curls under your pelvic pones will actually curl out and move backwards to make more space through your pelvis for the baby. If you sit or lie down on it, not only are you cancelling out any benefits gravity may give you to help the baby down, but you'll also stop your coccyx from curling back, I think in extreme cases it can even damage it. Ds's birth was very fast and very intense but there was no way on earth I could have been in any other position than all fours - I think your body tells you whats comfortable and whats absolutely not.

Blimey treacle - I take it this is 2nd time round for you then? What happened first time?

I'm not sure about the induction bit, but right now I would be v happy to give birth whenever. I was awake until 3 this morning. Ended up in floods of tears because i just want to SLEEP!!

Everytime I move, the baby HURTS so much, because she objects to turning, last nght all I could think of was having her, and I couldn't get my brain to turn off. My DH was snoring for ENgland. He woke at 3 when I was crying, and kindly offered to do the shopping - until I told him it wasa a proper shop (not a little shop). Then he promptly fell asleep again and I doubt if he even remebers the conversation.

aaah... that will be me moaning again huh?

My list of things to do;
try and book haircut (but haven't been for 9 months so am rather to see my hairdresser
varnish DS's new toy box
Get plans for house submitted
Get garden weeded
Dentist would be good as I need to take DS too.

hi babymad- nice to see you back online for a bit and sounding very cheerful.

i am also very cheerful today despite having had a very bad sleep last night - i'm with you growingbagpuss- it just hurts so much to turn but then my hips hurt so much if i dont - its a no win situation.

but just asked my boss if i can take my holidays next week instead of the week after, so am no finishing half day on wed instead of friday which is great.

and much as i would like the baby to come early, I am pretty sure I will be one of the ones still moaning when the baby hasnt arrived 12 days after my due date.

I know raspberry leaf tea doesnt bring on delivery faster, but it certainly makes the little one jump a bit - does anyone else find that?

Morning ladies,

feel very down this morning and pregnancy hormones mean I keep crying - am in the office too!

Jorney to work was hellish, train delays meant I got into London later than normal so the tubes were even busier than usual so had to ram myself on my with no chance of a seat - felt distintly odd when I got off.

Finally what is really upsetting me is the fact that if LO doesn't turn from being breech i'll opt for a CS as a vaginal birth will bring all the things I didn't want (continuous monitoring and being on my back the whole time, an automatic episiotomy and forceps). However the thing that is really worrying in me is I won't beable to have an epidural and I'll end up with a general and won't even be awake and see her when she's born. This is the part that keeps making me cry.

I know I am stressing myself needlessly at the moment and she may very well turn by herself in the next few weeks but it's very hard to be positive at the moment. Sorry - will be cheerier tomorrow/

poor you hersetta - sounds like you are having a rubbish day, so the worrying about the baby being breech will be all the worse.

if you are due on 27th there is still lots of time for it to turn, and also epidurals work for most people - or at least spinal blocks if the epidural doesnt so you;d still be awake then too. i had nightmares in early pregnancy about being asleep during later - and i know it probably wouldnt be something that anyone would choose, but if something went wrong and it was necessary - there is nothing anyone can do. but its very very unlikely so you shouldnt worry about it just now - have a cup of tea and a chocolate biscuit and think of playing with your lo once it's arrived (however that might be).

Morning all. Also feeling very sleepy today but strangely seem to be getting used to this zombie-state. Only 9 days left at work... very of all of you who are on ML already.

Hersetta, big virtual hugs to you. I've spent several days at work in the past month just in floods of tears, normally due to extreme tiredness and a horrible commute. How much longer do you have left at work? Try not to worry too much about the baby turning - there's still lots of time for that to happen. When are you next seeing your m/w? I didn't think you had to have a general anaesthetic for a c/s all the time - do they not do some under local? Maybe it would help if you got all the facts from the m/w so that you're prepared just in case LO doesn't turn. Sending you positive thoughts. (I've also heard some people say that if you talk to your LO and encourage him/her to turn, that might work??!!).

I'll hopefully find out what position my LO is in at my 34-wk appointment today. He/she was transverse/diagonal 2 weeks ago and they weren't really sure which hard bit was the bum and which bit was the head...

labour - obviously not later -sorry

yes, totally agree with Conker. A cup of tea and a chocolate biscuit sounds like a great idea!

Thanks Conker and BLM.

I've a month let at work which still feels like ages away. Next midwife appointment is two weeks away but I doubt she'll be able to tell me if LO has turned as I am overweight and she said it's harder to tell from just feeling my tummy. That/'s also the reason I'm worred about the general as the consultant has said it can be harder to give an epi to a larger person so am paranoid now I'll have a general. I know if it was an emergency I wouldn't care what happened as long as she came out Ok but the thought of it for what would be an elective CS does make be a all teary.

Off to get that coffee and a biscuit - haven't had breakfast yet so I think that's making me not my usually rational self as well.

Morning ladies...

Aw, reckon we should cheer ourselves up and go in search of some chocolate and a nice cuppa. I had a delicious sticky toffee pud last night with cream and it perked me up tremendously . Really feeling the weight of the baby at the moment and feel as though I could sleep all the time. Desperate to finish work (just under two weeks - yay!).

Hersetta - don't feel gloomy . I'm 36 weeks this week and baby is breech and I'm still v optimistic it will turn. There've been a lot of postings from women who say theirs turned at 38 and 39 weeks, and some actually during labour. Remind me again why you think you wouldn't be able to have a natural birth if it stays breech? That's what I've decided as I think that way I've given it the opp to turn and if it doesn't, there's no reason why we can't still have a normal delivery - just that they don't like us having them at home.

Scienceteacher on this thread said she had a nice natural delivery with her breech baby:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=1365&threadid=350090&stamp=070710041544.

In the meantime, do some things to make you feel more in control - go swimming as that can help encourage the baby to turn, plus it feels lovely being weightless! Try lying on all fours with your head down for telly-watching, have reflexology and acupuncture as both can help.

Don't forget too, they'll prob offer us ECV where they'll manually turn the baby. A woman on the thread above had it and said it had worked! x

Ah, seems we all think a choc biccie and tea is a good plan!

Also, Hersetta, meant to say that if your job is pretty much desk-bound, as mine is, then try and make sure you sit forward from your hips to open up the pelvis. I wondered if the fact that I'd been sitting back had contributed to the breech as the baby moves way more when I sit 'correctly' like this.

growingbagpuss full birth story of last time around is here. Warning, might take you longer to read it than it took to have him! Basically he came very very fast at home and didn't have time to get to hospital. Had lung clots a few weeks later so I'm not allowed a homebirth this time - boo! - like MRs B 'm injecting myself everyday but to make sure I'm in the right place at the right time they'll be inducing me. Mrs B are you going to be induced? Blimey everyone seems so organised! I dont have a bagged packed and half the stuff I need is still in the attic . .

It's funny Annie I always thought sitting forward would mean less room for the baby and I would squash her so for the last few weeks work have bought me a foot rest so I can sit back in my seat as sitting forward was really uncomfortable when she was in a kicking mad mood. Will have to try and remember to sit forward from now on.

I just had the impression that if I had a natural breech delivery it would be highly medicalised as I am under consultant care. So CFM, episiotomy and forceps are the norm. Don't fancy the idea of being stuck on my back for the whole of labour so would rather opt for a CS.

Not pinning too much hope on a ECV - the success rate is really low. Would also worry about the cord getting wrapped around her neck if she was forcibly pushed downwards.

Just had a large glass of orange juice and a crumpet - feel much better. No buiscuits around unforetunately!

Hersetta, it must be getting all a bit much for you. Do stay positive though. Your baby will move around if you throw as much ammunition at the project as you can. Like Annie says, spend as much time down on all fours as soon as you get home and are free of your chair, and swimming and acupuncture have been proven effective. Try not to think of the worst possible outcome if you can dream up the best!
Poor you. That commute is a killer in the morning. Can you get your supervisor to approve a late morning, late leaving day for you for the next couple of weeks?

Good - glad the food rush is helping

I felt the same as you when I found out the baby was breech - v disappointed and a little teary. But having read up a lot I now feel much more positive. Just because you're consultant-led doesn't mean you can't have a natural/active labour. I think you should perhaps ask to discuss this at your next appt and stress how much you'd like to be able to move around and avoid intervention. A breech delivery doesn't really mean anything as long as the baby's position is good. Anyway, I'm a good few weeks ahead of you, so can tell you exactly how it is if the baby doesn't turn and I aim for an active delivery. Will also let you know honestly how the ECV goes if I'm offered it - there seem to be varying opinions about how useful it is and whether it is/isn't painful. Apparently the success rate should be around 60-70% depending on the skill of the consultant, so I'm gonna make sure I get one with a good track record!

Oh, and yes, the trick is to sit forward at all times, even at home on the sofa, so you're opening up the pelvis to create max room for baby to turn. It basically means finding your 'sitting bones' and leaning forward into your desk. Actually quite comfy!

Conkertree, yes, the tea does that to my LO too

Hersetta, hope you are feeling a bit better now you've had your biccie. All that to contend with and no breakfast would make me cry too. In fact, just going without breakfast would make me cry!

Loler & Treacletart, I would go with what you've both said about positions. Its what you want to do on the day. I lay on my right side and had a pretty fast delivery for my 1st. I couldn't have managed any other position as my legs had turned to jelly.

Did anybody see the programme on BBC1 last night about giving birth? I watched it and then dreamt all night about giving birth and then cuddling LO and just looking at its face

Programme was a bit scary though. What with watching that and the awful Panorama programme on giving birth I think its made me more nervous than last time.

Oh, and on the to-do-list am having a pre-birth pregnancy this afternoon whilst MIL looks after DS. Though why I'm worried about what my feet will look like during birth I don't know. Don't think thats the part of my body that everyone will be focusing on.

aaah.. Treacle - what some might consider the dream birth (the first half bit)!! Mine was fairly short and sharp, but not quite to those extremes - and I was blue lighted to hospital - as my back spasmed (sorry guys, I've been through this before!!) after the birth. Tthis time I've got an appt with the Doc on thurs for some decent post birth pain relief so will hopefully avoid the hospital.

Mum 2 george - a "pre-birth pregnancy"? - I presume you mean podiatry? Like the ide though - I'm another who'd love to pain her toenails, might have to get DS to do it, he's into painting.......

Sorry, that should have said pre-birth pedicure!

I was going to have a full on day at Aveda with the pregnancy massage, organic hair colour, manicure and pedicure...but then at the birth centre there was a big sign saying to please NOT get into their pools wearing nail varnish of any sort.

Just thought I would share that bit of wet blanket news with everyone.

hersetta

I am due on the 30th, and when i saw the midwife last week and the baby was in a ver funny position. Head under right ribs and bum on my right hip. It has now turned halfway so it now laying across.

I could tell last night when i had a bath as it's arms and legs are facing towards my back i had a clear lump about a long as my hand. So their is still time.

A pedicure has been on my to do list for the last two weekends but have never maaged to get to the salon to have one so this saturday I saoked my feet at home and gave them a quick scrub with a foot file - am fine doing the left foot but struggle with the right so DH did it for me and then I managed to paint my toenails - admitidly I used the same colour I already had on so I could go over existing polish but they look a lot better until i can find the time to get them done professionally.

Hersetta, you sound like you could do with some pampering at the moment, I'd go for that pedicure if I were you, and get a nice facial or a shoulder massage at the same time!

I just wanted to say by the way that I didn't get the vibe off my consultant or anaethetist that an epidural would be a problem because of my size, just that they'd need a bit more time/patience to get it in properly. (I can guarantee you I'm a lot bigger than you honey, I really wouldn't worry on that front)

I've never heard of routine general anaesthesia for elective sections, I think you need to have a reassuring chat with your midwife, that's what I'm planning on doing on friday to allay all my last minute jitters. If I do pop before you, I know mine isn't breech but I'll still let you know if there were any size-associated problems during the birth.

In fact there's a lady called RoseQuartz on here who is same size as me and she is currently 8 weeks pregnant with her 7th baby. She's had 4 epidurals, I was chatting to her here (somewhere towards the end of the thread) one of her babies was 12lb 9oz, so she's quite inspirational!

Cripes you chatty mares! 900 posts already!

Tokentotty can we have a new thread please? I'm crap at choosing thread titles.