Due in March 07 - Gettin' ready to Pop.

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This must be our 100th thread.

Possibly.

fox-imagine how many you'd end up with if you started at 20 like me

magpie-its a small worldmy aunties lived there for about 16 years i think.

talking of families,i think my mum and sister are in a mood with me.my mum text me cos my sister had been moaning about my kids not sending thank you letters for the xmas presents(clothes that may have fit them about 4 years ago),that i wasnt teaching them 'good manners'etc.there is tradition in my family that if somebody annoys you then you tell someone else hoping the message will be passed on,rather than being direct(and mature).it really does my head in.

there was no karaoke last night either.i think theyve got it on now but its daytime so thats ok.hopefully they might move out...

im taking ds1,dd1 and ds1's school friend for a meal this afternoon for his birthday.i think i'll take dd2 as well.i cant run around after ds2 anymore and he's incapable of sitting still for more than 5 minutes so hes staying here

better go and get ready.

31+4(girl)

Lunar, that must have been hurtful. My ds1 was 11 before I had anymore but I was oblivious to anyones judgements. Now people keep giving me speeches about contraception! I feel like having another just to wind them up! (possibly not a sensible family planning strategy!)

Diva, family are great aren't they! I have failed miserably at the whole thank you letter thing this year...oh well! Maybe next year!

wow... I expected to be trawling through millions of messages, after being out all day. What is everyone up to?

Good points Moss and Rosy - we need all the offspring we can get (make??) to support us in our old age And, yes Rosy - I'm definately one of those who would keep their opinion to themselves rather than make a comment!! But (gee, I'm a fence sitter ) I know what you mean Lunar. Altho dd has an elder half sister, she has as good as grown up as an only child. I would so love to have another after this one so that they have close siblings.

Same thing in my family Diva... crazy huh!! Pleased the neighbours are keeping the noise down. Hope you all enjoyed your meal.

hi there to everyone- just found the new thread and been reading it
fox- cab is great for redundancy and so is ACAS- they must be crazy if they think you are not going to research! alos, re your mortgage, don't forget the mortgage broker takes a commission and its up to then to sort it out with no extra payments or costs to you. You can mention FSA and reporting them- my boss had same prob with his "advisor" mentioned the FSA, and it got sorted.

am so tired have been in bed most of the day. dp is away so am terrified will go into labour, so am NOT MOVING if can help it.

anyone got any further with birth plans? for some reason have got into my head that midwives will try to make me do stuff as I am in hospital and at their mercy.. not work with me to have nice labour. ie, midwife must state how long they have been qualified and say clearly they will help me have as normal labour as possible to help me trust them. And no students, esp with scissors

spongecake - I am going through the birthplan advice on the HomeBirth site at the moment and picking out the bits I want.

So, I have a question for the experts on board when giving birht, would you rather tear naturally than have an episiotomy? Tx for your advice.

I had an episiotomy with ds1 and it was no problem at all either getting it at the time or being stitched or recovering. With dd I had 2 'grazes' and that was so sore. That's all I know....

Tx Rosy

Hi all

Yes the MIL thread did get a bit heated, I'm surprised there are so many sentimental people out there. My mother kept no baby clothing/equipment, it was all sold or handed on to others. MIL has the cot/carrycot/highchair/old shoes the lot!

Anyway hope you've all had a good weekend
Mine has been fairly crap and DH has been pissing me off. Still it's nearly over now

I'd opt to tear naturally as there is a chance that you won't tear at all
I have also had two grazes but no tearing, once you learn how to hold a pad of cotton wool soaked in witchhazel or chamommile tea to your nethers after peeing, it becomes painless.
Top tip, when the head appears, breathe really fast and you literally breathe the head out, not push it out.
Well it worked for me

Ok so who elses baby gets hiccups LOADS, man they are so fast in such a little baby!

i tore with 3 of mine,i wasnt given an option.but the very worst was dd1 cos i had shoulder dystocia.but that was the least painful after cos i was stitched up whereas the smaller ones they just left to heal were so painful i had to pee in the bidet

i think it depends on the hospital what attitudes the mws have.where i had dd1 there was a large irish catholic community and alot of the m/ws had strong dublin accents and the attitude that i deserved to suffer and be in pain...they told me to stop screaming at one point cos i was scaring the other mums(who were all having epidurals).where i am now,the mws listen and dont judge anybody.

i think its a case of standing your ground and knowing what you want.

i wonder if i can specify that i dont want a mw with grotesquely fat fingers to put the drip in if i have one this time

I had second degree tears with mine. I was stitched with the first two and left to heal with the last. I never had any probs with peeing as I made sure I leant forwrd so the wee did touch the wounds. Sorry if tmi, but it seemed to work.
I've never liked to feel myself 'down below' since the tearing mind. I must be so scared. It's not nice to think about really.

I'm off to London with just the two boys tomorrow. We are going to do the natural history and possibly some of the science museum. I'm looking forward to it. Doing something different and getting to spend some time on my own with them.

Diva they told you to stop screaming because you were scaring the other mums?!?! Good grief, bet you're glad you're not going there!

TheBlonde, my mil kept two or three pieces of clothing, but because they were quite old she has used them as part of a quilt cot which is really nice. I am quite pleased though because I have nothing to pass down from my side of the family. However, I think I'd feel differently if she'd kept everything and expected us to use it all!!

Still haven't done my birth plan yet; I'm going to ring the hosi tomorrow and just double check they've not forgotten about the antenatal class invite. After I've done the classes, I'll do my birth plan.

I think I would rather tear naturally than be cut but really, I'd rather not tear at all!!

Kitty xposts hope you have a nice time in London tomorrow!

Evening all

Hope you are all well. I have no experience of the tearing thing I am afraid as I had a CS, but I do remember big jugs in all the loos in the post natal ward for use when peeing with stitches!

Thanks for asking about the MW thing - basically as I had such a horrendous time last time and as DD was so huge (nearly 10lb at 41 weeks) I don't think I can do a labour again. Everything I was worried about pre labour happened (apart from a shoulder dystocia - Diva, I am so sorry this happened to you) and I ended up having a trial of forceps before my section. That left me incontinent for a while as my fanjo was so bruised and battered and I went a bit bonkers afterwards. My consultant at Tommy's told me I could have a section but I can't go to Tommy's this time. Basically the MW said that I would have to fight my corner if I wanted to persuade the consultant to let me have a section. So I am seeing the registrar in 2 weeks to get turned down (usual practice apparently) then will go up the chain to see the great man himself.

Have been very tired today. DD has been a delight but I had to cave in this afternoon and put the telly tubbies on as I was about to conk out! Doing the simplest things seems to take it out of me. Oh well, only 9 weeks to go!

Sorry if youa re getting flak for having a big family. I would have loved loads of kids but didn't meet DH til I was 32, had DD at 35 and am now 37. Might have time for 1 more but that's probably my lot. Still, I suppose I am lucky to have 2. I had a long chat with my SIL last week. She has asopted a little boy and is approved to adopt another child aged 2 or under. That was July, but there aren't any children out there who they could be matched with. She is very down about it and me being pg again isn't helping.

Hope everyone ejoys their evening. Work for me tomorrow, so no doubt I'll be posting like crazy tom pm to avoid doing any work

XXXXX

Moss, I don't know if this works, but I was told to do perineal massage from about 34 weeks to increase the stretchiness of my fanjo. Every day, you cut the top off an eveninc primrose capsule (or whatever oid you like) and shove up fanjo, then massage your perineum until the oil is all gone. THe MW said "you can get your partner to do this if you like" but as DH hadn't been near the thrush zone for months, I thought I'd do a bit of DIY . As I said, I didn't have a vaginal birth so I don't know if it works, but friend swear by it.

Apologies to veryone else for not replying directly to you all - can't hold much in my head at the moment. XXX

Dolly I really hope you get the right outcome from your appointment. How silly that you have to be turned down before you can see the "great man".

I have already bought my almond oil for the massaging and will start a bit nearer the time!

Better go dh is putting tea out!!

dolly-i thought it was usual practise to be offered an elective cs if you have had one before and you had to fight for a vbac?!thats certainly the case where i am.

moss-i also tried to tell them not to let xp back in to the room cos he was scaring me(he couldnt handle me screaming either and had raised his fist to me)and they said i should be more understanding cos he was tired and needed some air.honestly,when i think back it was like something out of the dark ages.

luckily,attitudes to childbirth have changed alot in the last 8 years.we were all encouraged to use pain relief by the mw who taught my ante-natal classes,and the idea of giving birth on all 4's was still very new.they would cut the chord straight away then weigh the baby etc before they gave you it.

Sponge thanks for that advice - I think the mortgage brokers seem very nervous about the whole thing so I will mention the FSA to keep them on their toes

When I had DS the MW stretched my fango manually for about 4 minutes so I hardly tore at all; she really seemed to know what she was doing. Didn't tear with DD, as my fango is like, in the immortal words of Diva, "the Blackwall tunnel on a rainy day".

Kitty - hope you have a good day tomorrow at the museum. My DS's faves are the science + nat history museums too . The science museum has sleepovers now !!

Was knackered today too and spent the arvo at a mumsnetters house - she took DS and DD to the playground so I could snooze on her sofa

Diva - perhaps your neighbours have now got the hint that its not worth their while being inconsiderate i.e. they may well lose their home over it if they carry on...

Evenhope - hope you managed to keep warm today, you poor thing

Good grief Diva it really does sound like something out the dark ages, hard to believe it was only eight years ago. What were the rest of your birth experiences like, were they much better? (Suppose couldn't be much worse)

Foxy a sleepover in the Science Museum sounds good, but imagine if they did sleepovers in the Natural History Museum, how good would that be with all the dinosaur skeletons?

It's nearly my bed time now and then work tomorrow... I think it's 34 working days to go but I'll check with my calendar tomorrow!!

Morning all!

33 working days to go, I checked with the calendar.

No choccie muffin for me this morning; dh persuaded me to get a healthy looking one, it's sweet, but has lots of seeds and things in it. Hmm.

Speak later, hope you all have a good day!!

just wanted to ask - anyone else's hair growing lots and very thick. My hair ( on my head) is naturally rather fine although I have a lot of it and this past few months it has been getting very thick and growing like mad - much quicker than it used to. So much so that my hairdresser was surprised to hear from me as I only had my hair cut a few weeks ago.

I never had this with the other two pregnancies. Driving me nuts - not helped by the heat!!

Eids, it's certainly no thicker; it's lanker and thinner than ever! By the end of the day it looks like it needs washing again!

But it does seem to be growing slightly faster than usual; I'm trying to grow it into a bob though so maybe it's not such a bad thing.

Eidsvold my hair isn't growing that much but it isn't falling out at all so it is thicker than normal. I know from the past it'll fall out in clumps after baby comes and I'll eventually get a little suede head under my longer hair. My sister gets bald patches for a while after childbirth!

Diva I'm so glad you are not still with that a*hle lifting his fist to you Things have changed since I had ds1 15 years ago...ie the stirrups above the bed which I was put into for getting my stitches!

Moss muffins with seeds? yuch that's like my sis who went on a GI diet and bakes loads of that healthy stuff! Bleurgh!

The Blonde I'm going to have to try not to be a horrendous mil in the future. Our family have loads of old stuff everywhere! My sisters teenagers sometimes wear bits of ancient clothes from mothers loft, from vintage granny antiques to 70's tat from our childhood! I still have a summer hat mum kept from when I was a baby nearly 40 years ago...and all our old toys! no wonder we are all so cluttered!
But I do love old clothes and old shabby furniture too!

7weeks 6 days to edd (boy)

Rosy I love old stuff too - that's why I married DH

I have the hand sewn silk christening dress worn by my grandmother, which DS and DD both wore for their baptisms (DS looked funny in the dress, with footballers legs hanging out of the end of it). Love old furniture and stuff too and still have lots of my old toys, inlcuding my beloved golly which I think are illegal now . (Don't tell social services )

Eids - my hair is slightly better actually, but most notable is the "ginger poodle on my lap"

Moss I'm quitting at half term, so have 25 working days to go....gets harder each day eh?

33+1 (boy)

I still have 55 days (not counting weekends which I often have to work too) to do according to work. Which takes us up to a week AFTER EDD!