JS viroids are here in their 28th outing complete with exploding belly buttons. There's royal foofs and jiffy bag gifts, but most certainly NOT x-rated colouring books at the VAGINA party HQ!

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Welcome, welcome, welcome to the 28th grads thread... celebrating the success of Just Shagging in getting us viroids upduffed!

For those that don't know, a 'viroid' is from the original JSing thread 1, where someone was trying to type ladies (in reference to all the JSing ladies), but their phone decided to call us all viroids instead!

The name stuck and we've been the JSing viroids ever since.

The thread we have graduated from is here in its 46th outing. WARNING: they're all a bit kerazy not to mention randy!

There is also a Just Mumming thread in postnatal clubs here for once your babies come along, or to keep up with the graduated graduates!

There is also a private facebook group (so it doesn't give the game away in your news feed!)... if you want to join to see photos of new babies etc, just ask in-thread!

Here is the stats list, please update your own spot with any updates: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oLJqpadAb2givKYq8OJfGCti3s6xzsTGlI-GoaBfM_M/edit?pli=1#gid=0

Waves European flag!

Purple your and your baby are both individuals - it's easy to worry when hearing other people's experiences but yours could be completely different, it's a total blank canvas just now. I read stuff but try to keep in mind my experience is likely to be totally different

I just sneezed and managed to slightly wee myself and fart at the same time #talented

Glamorous, la!

Purple, screw the books! I normally read everything that comes into reach (a bit like Hermoine Granger). But with the birthing and breastfeeding books, I just don't seem to get into it. I'm in the mainframe that my body will know what to do during birth, so I'll just try and trust those signals. As with breastfeeding, baby knows what to do and if not, I'll ask my mum (she used to be a professional lactation person) for help. The books don't know me, nor my baby.

Oh lucky you fatty!! Can your mum come stay with me for a while? I am trying to learn as much beforehand so I feel more prepared. My midwife is pretty useless and is so pained not to push one way of feeding over another I feel she's actually bordering on negligent. I have found a la leche group nearby and am hoping to attend a few sessions before baby arrives, maybe this is something you might find more helpful purple? Real practical advice from other mums and I think the group is run by a trained la leche leader person. Although I know I want to breastfeed, I think knowing about latching and the theory of how to overcome issues like mastitis etc beforehand makes me feel more secure about managing it. But that's just me, I like to dig around as much as possible like a nosy cow! I've been comparing statistics of maternity hospitals as well!

The book has totally put me off going to a LLL meeting. I bought the book to get myself prepared and a bit more knowledgable but it has scared the bejesus out of me and makes them out to be complete zero tolerance to anything other than BFing until 2.
The guff about it being individual choice comes across as really insincere.

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Gah bloody ipad won't let me paste in something I wrote (and thought I'd rescued) earlier. Thought posting might help - appears not. Anyway..... The gist of it was this -.Purple someone on FB linked to a blog which basically described the early days as hellish and people commented thing like 'Ooh takes me back'. I just don't identify with things like that though. Yes you're tired, your nipples hurt, you can't get much done etc (you kinda knew you were letting yourself in for that) but I love the newborn phase and I'm sad we're moving out of it now. There's nothing quite like getting to know this new tiny person you love so much. Maybe I've been lucky shrugs but even if you do hate this part of it, it's over in a flash.

la you don't need a parasol, the pull down sun shade in the uppababy is ace! nods sagely

I luffs sock ons, but H does have dinky feet.

purple I was induced at 36 weeks, ended up with emcs and can bf, it wasn't easy but don't let a book put you off trying IF you want to! I am up from 2.30 expressing a bottle while H sleeps through though, I seriously need a slap!

The doomsaying blogs drive me insane! I sometimes wonder what the persons expectations were before having a baby. Mind you it seems that people prefer to talk about the horror parts and conveniently forget the nice parts because it makes for interesting (or 'aren't I so brave and martyred!) reading. I'm finding the same with birth stories esp from ladies that have or had similar issues as I've currently got with SPD and spondy; everyone wants to talk about how they tore from arsehole to breakfast time and how awful it was couldn't open legs, enormous forceps, badly sited epidural etc, and only a handful of people comment positively; that the relaxin overload was actually super helpful, that 89% of pain disappeared after delivery etc. don't get me wrong, I'm totally shitting myself (fear of the unknown...!) but I figure we'll my poor foof come out of it in one piece and as long as I can keep him warm fed and clean then that's going to be good enough for me! How exactly I do it doesn't really matter. It's like Mr Tee said; you don't book a holiday and then spend the preceding weeks looking at the crash safety records of the aircraft you're flying without all the really negative reviews on trip advisor, you go in and make your own mind up.

Nothing happened overnight. I've got the option of waddling around a farm park/petting zoo with SiL and kids and/or potting new plants. Plants need doing as they are shut in dark garage and I don't want them to wilt. Farm park sounds fun, and will invoke hardcore tonis but not sure I want to over excite SiL and husband (or be a massive drag) if/when I get them.
A breakfast eclair will help me decide

I'm sick to the fucking back teeth of the negative stories people keep banging on. Classic the other day was I put up a photo of me enjoying reading a book in garden.

Post from someone I know 'ooh enjoy reading now because when baby comes you'll never finish a book again '

Why's that then? Do they remove my brain in the delivery suite?

Like - it's quite obvious we all know newborn babies are exhausting and that yes it's going to mean hard work and perhaps we will not sleep a full night for a while.

But what people forget is that I chose this because I want a BABY! See - that thing I'll be feeding whilst holding a book/kindle in the other hand occasionally (assuming brain/hands are not removed in delivery)? And that thing I'll be staring adoringly at in between the hard bits?

That's what makes it utterly worth it. I just wish folk would fuck off with the doom and let me look forward to it

Oh and tee a girl in my fit class had severe spd with her first and was on crutches. She said 5 minutes after birth it vanished and she felt amazing

Purple stop reading that book of its stressing you out. Read something else or a different perspective. Definitely don't worry - you will be fine

SPD does tend to go soon after giving birth, I remember the relief last time (after the epidural wore off) it was lovely!
Don't see why people like scaremongering so much about giving birth. Everyone's different dont let others stories scare you. Mine wasn't that great and I've said about it before, you dont even see the forceps anyway so whoever is going on about how big they are tell them to shut the fuck up. Plus it was just the tiredness that got me in the end. I'm not good on lack of sleep. You get sent home with loads of painkillers and even after my delivery I only took diclofenac in hospital and didn't bother at home.
With regards to reading La you'll probably find you have more time! What else are you supposed to do whilst breastfeeding.. When the babies asleep etc. I read quite a lot and still do. I was scaremongered a lot by my manager at work. She was coming out with all sorts. In the end I was like "well you're alive aren't you couldn't have been that bad"
Just tell them to pissoff, yes it's not a walk in the park but look what you'll have at the end of it. And labour/ birth experience doesn't last forever so just enjoy it best you can, that's my advice to all new mums to be anyway

I think they just think they're being funny La. In actual fact, I think I've managed to finish one book in about three years since having MiniWil! but I wouldn't class it as a negative of parenting. Obviously having a baby is much nicer than reading a book. And if I spent less time on MN, I'm sure I could squeeze some in.

:) I read a lot wil but MN has definitely taken its toll on my productivity!!

Purple definitely stop reading if it's stressing you out. I find the bits I've read of the Unmumsy Mum quite funny but probably just because I have a toddler and identify with them. I like them much better than the 'here are a million art projects I've done with my special princess' blogs as they just make you feel like a crap parent.

I loved the whole baby phase first time round. This time has definitely been harder having two and also we have had so many issues going on with both of them, it's a bit stressful, but I still enjoy having a baby again. And like Pis says, it's over in the blink of an eye.

I read loads, as much now as before. Feeding, in the bath, in bed...it feels nicer as well because I have less time. I like the blogs though, they make me chuckle. Something to do with NHS work and gallows humour I expect

Don't bother with books, Purple - except the ones that say 'all babies are different, none of them are like in the books'. You could read 15, get 15 different versions of what to do, and still end up doing something different because it's what your baby needs. Having all the information is good, but not to the point it blunts your maternal instinct.

BFing worriers: find a good BF group and go along beforehand. Meet the people, talk about their difficulties and how to recognise them and fix them. And don't waste time if you think there's a problem - ask for help soon! Then go along as soon as you can get out the house and practice feeding publicly there too :)

I do really like the unmumsy mum blog I think she's funny! It's the doom mongering friends that annoy me.

Bf - if your area is anything like mine purple you might get offered lots of classes plus there are bf cafes where you can get support

Might have to look up the unmumsyblog. I don't read any blogs! Beginning to feel like I am in denial about this whole thing!

With the negative comments I just end the conversation saying 'all worth it though, right?!' Because who is honestly going to say it wasn't?

Kitten is on my tummy and baby is awake. She's not sure why she is moving but determined not to get down!

There is more BF support than you can shake a stick at here. I've had so much support and always felt informed and we can just ring the community breastfeeding support midwife to help with latch or pain or anything.
That's because (according to midwife last time) if it wasn't for (local poshville) then this county would have the lowest numbers of bfing mothers in the country. I know for a fact that there are only 4 currently in my town because the midwife was really chuffed that she had 4 women to look after.

Thanks lovelies. I'm going to find out what support there is. I'm scared of LLL now
I want to BF for as long as I can. Hopefully a year but I might have to stop when I go back to work because I'll be away overnight. One thing is for sure, I'll do the best I can for my baby. If that means stopping sooner so be it

I do like the unmumsy mum and just a normal mummy blogs. But there is negativity associated with them. Maybe I just hadn't realised how hard it's going to be. Maybe it won't be that hard. Whatever happens we will cope, no other choice

I like the Unmumsy mum too, and Northernmum (tales of a northerner living in the south). I find that Unmumsy does talk about the good bits too, she's not a purveyor of doom, more a purveyor of things that make me laugh.

LLL is alright in real life, although I found my first meeting incredibly frustrating. We "went around the circle" starting away from me so I had to sit there for almost two hours listening to the group wax lyrical while I was utterly desperate for help, got to me right at the end and then my baby was asleep and refused to wake up to feed. The leader - sensing my desperation I think - did invite me to her house and help tho. It was better after that. But I found it can often be more of a talking shop than a place for practical help.

What was helpful - NCT breastfeeding line - 0300 330 0771. Free to call and open 8-8 (or something like that), got me out of a pickle more than once. If there are probs this time around I'll be getting help earlier and more insistently than last time, I won't allow any "grabbing and shoving" (some hospital midwives were a bit too hands on, in my experience) and trying only one piece of advice at once - too much can be just as confusing as none at all.

But my word, when it eventually got easy it was SO easy.

I mean bfing. I don't mean the whole baby rearing lark, which had both hellish and wonderful bits :)

This is the third time I've typed a sodding reply now!! Keep hitting the cancel button!
Anyway in a nutshell, I'm all for breastfeeding and I think it's important that viroids who want to do it should with good support and help. It's not for me though at all. I tried it once it didn't work and I won't be trying with this baby. Ended up being far too stressful for me and baby to carry on.
The unmumsy guide is pretty hilarious.at least she tells it how it is.rather hear that than a load of fluffy shit that probably won't happen or won't work.
Each and every baby is different, what worked for DD may not work for DS, it's a process of elimination and getting into a routine that everyone's happy with. I bought so many books and read them too. As soon as baby came all that went out of the window and I spent time getting to know my baby rather than trying to find answers in books etc. word of warning- never ever ever go on google of you suspect something isn't quite right. That place is doomsville.