Our super healthy fanjos just love getting their five a day but we draw the line at frozen poopsicles. We're the 25th JS Grads!

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Welcome, welcome, welcome to the 25th grads thread... celebrating the success of Just Shagging in getting us viroids upduffed!

For those that don't know, a 'viroid' is from the original JSing thread 1, where someone was trying to type ladies (in reference to all the JSing ladies), but their phone decided to call us all viroids instead!

The name stuck and we've been the JSing viroids ever since.

The thread we have graduated from is here in its 42nd outing. WARNING: they're all a bit kerazy not to mention randy!

There is also a Just Mumming thread in postnatal clubs here for once your babies come along, or to keep up with the graduated graduates!

There is also a private facebook group (so it doesn't give the game away in your news feed!)... if you want to join to see photos of new babies etc, just ask in-thread!

The stats sheet will be linked to by our stats hero La (can't do on iPad sorry!)

So, roll call below please, viroids!

I sympathise - in Edinburgh I would be out a few times a week. When we moved here that changed as people here stay at home more often or go away at weekends. So instead I distracted myself with horse and working in bar.

Now I can't do either of those I feel lonely a lot, hence I'm always on here !

I had a big cry this morning -mr la said something quite sharply to me and I burst into tears. I'd put the caboo on to show him and he just wasn't interested and was being really dismissive. I told him I feel fed up and lonely here on my own all the time while he gets to go out in London and socialise etc

Think it was just all building up with working so hard all week and stuff and I needed a cry. Also I'd found a lighter in his pocket and so he's still smoking which he's meant to have given up.

really it's just because I wanted a frigging cadburys egg just kidding

La do you think he's finding it hard to quit? I'd struggle to be ok about smoking but must be hard to stop.

I wonder if we have wine.

I told work today, have only told 2 of the bosses so far but they were lovely. My direct boss is a man and he said nice things and then the other indirect boss is a lady and I think she sounded even more excited than my mum! Was quite taken aback! I've only been there since July so was worried in case they thought it was a bit soon but if they do mind then they're certainly not showing it. Good timing telling them given that the only pair of work trousers that fit seem a whole lot tighter today than they did last week.

I want to ask for extra mat leave unpaid as we only get 3 months here and I'm not sure how I feel about that. I should have asked today straight away but I didn't, however a few days ago they said they were looking at giving me a pay rise so I might wait for that to be confirmed first. I am going to ask for 6 months total but no idea if they will say yes and don't know what I will do if they don't. There is no such thing here as part time really and even if I leave work on time I don't get home until 6.45

I'd be upset about the smoking thing too. It's not easy to quit though. It's only 3 years since I stopped after smoking since age 13!

Hormones are a bitch though. I'm weepy about anything and everything lately.

Bat I'm sure they'd be ok with you taking longer. Are there any employment rights there for maternity leave? Does your company have a maternity policy?

I read up on 4th trimester after seeing a thread on here re a baby that won't settle. I followed a link to slings and I definitely need one of those. What's everyone's view? Any recommendations?

purple standard mat leave here as per employment law is 6 weeks so believe it or not I'm actually lucky with 3 months - I work in a 'free zone' area which has its own rules. And my company goes with the employment law so it is 3 months. It is a small company and there are only 2 people before me who have been pregnant - both have just done the 3 months but it's already worrying me and it's still 6 months away so I'm def going to have to ask and take it from there.

la I would also be upset about the smoking, I have never smoked so can't imagine how hard it must be to quit but us ladies make a lot of sacrifices during pregnancy so I do not think it's unreasonable wanting him to persevere with quitting. Although is there any possibility that the lighter could have been there from ages ago?

My DH still smokes as well, but at least it is a lot less than he used to and he uses an electronic one a lot as well. But once baby is here, he'd better quit completely or I will kick his hairy arse!

Can I ask a question about maternity clothes? Do they start off massive and you grow into them or do they stretch with you? Confused!

Tee, I'm in agreement with everyone else, those women sound like horrible jealous Biatches and you must ignore them! I'm the first to have a baby in my "social group" I don't see anyone anymore, not my fault just at the weekends they are all too hungover to do anything fun really. I made some new friends at antenatal group and they're all lovely. I speak to them more than I speak to my closest friends now and it's good if you're stuck with something or having a bad day and can all go through it together.
La I can understand why you'd be annoyed at DH smoking. My OH gave up about 3 months after we found out I was pregnant with DD. I was a smoker until the day I found out and then didn't smoke again and haven't done now since August 2013. OH smokes an e-cig but it's an incredibly low dosage, I think these days he just smokes it to do something with his hands rather than for any benefit. If your DH is still smoking maybe see if he would consider an e- cig instead? It's a lot less harmful and cheaper! I never found it difficult to give up smoking as my main concern was our baby. My cousin on the other hand smoked like a trooper the whole time she was pregnant and ended up with a placental abruption along with an EMCS and a 3 week prem baby. I just don't understand how women can do that to their own kids. I think it's pretty disgusting but it wasn't my choice to make for her unfortunately. What's worse is when you see heavily pregnant women smoking right outside the doors at the maternity hospital.. As if anyone else wants to breathe in your fumes!

Some start off too big Bat but most stretch with you. They just kind of fit differently at the end to how they did at the start.

Can't wait to get to bed.

Well they say with maternity clothes just go for your normal size before you were pregnant. I thought I was at least a size 12 though when I was pregnant and didn't think an 8 or 10 would fit. The size 12 were far too big even at full term! Always go for your size pre baby, they will have accommodated enough room for your bump.

Hi!

Oh my god I just ate a large dominos and now I resemble a bowling ball.

Dh has been promising me he'd quit for 7 years. Was meant to be before we got engaged, then before wedding, then for ttc, then before baby comes. He doesn't smoke a lot maybe 2 a day normally and more if drinking. He's got an e cigarette but keeps having 1-2 cigarettes a night at work at weekends. He keeps saying he'll stop but hasn't made an effort to get patches or anything. It's the lack of effort that pisses me off. Our baby's health is priority and I don't want to have to watch my dh die from lung cancer :( so I get v upset.

Bat I am still wearing same size as before in maternity they make them to accommodate bump.

Bat that's rotten. My sil in USA only gets 2 weeks :( it's so unfair

2 weeks?! Your poor sil la - how the hell can someone be expected to function after 2 weeks?! Not to mention that if you have a c section you're still not even allowed to drive for 6! I will be most likely going into labour in the office to make the most of time afterwards but I definitely feel better about my 3 months after hearing about the US - that's inhumane! My hubby had 1 whole week off last week with a bad tummy!

Jealous of your dominos.

The USA are all kinds of messed up about this issue. How does anyone breastfeed? I couldn't leave a two week old to go to work, that's mental.

Just reading your post makes me thankful for the welfare state bat! (And the one oerk of working public sector!)

pis that is definitely my plan as I get bigger, I'll just go with him and potter off for a walk. Hoping I can do the same with babe in a sling when it's here. I was brought up basically at the foot of a crag and it didn't do me much harm. It all feels so bizarre to feel weak after so long on working to stay super fit! BTW love the name you have given babypis that is on our list!

I have decided that it isn't worth the fight over the smoke, YET! He has been smoking for as long as I know him, which is nearly 10 years, and he had started before that. So these three more months before the baby is here won't do much more harm than he has already done.
But once baby is here, I'm going to MAKE him stop. Rules I will put into effect:

• no holding baby when you've smoked, first change your clothes and wash
• no sleeping in bed with me and baby (we have a cot against the bed with one side removed, but it is still co-sleeping)
• I'm going to make food he doesn't like until he stops
• I will throw away any fags I find

I just don't get what the problem is. I stopped cold turkey as soon as I found out I'm expecting and it didn't cost me any effort!

Just bought an ergo cm carrier for £45 on gumtree, hooray! So I'll be using my caboo sling round house, for bf and when shopping and dh and I can both use ergo for longer trips :)

Yeah I feel sorry for my sil she's gut no family over there or help. She's going to be bf so will be trying to express enough for my dbro to give baby. She can take baby to work but it's going to be hard work poor girl :(

tee, that is awful! What kind of friends are they? Friendship is two-way and it is as much their obligation to stick with you as your life changes as it is theirs. As if their life choices are better than theirs! That is so angering! Did you tell DH?

I think the rules is a good idea re: smoking fleur but I would want to force it sooner. Maybe I'm spiteful! Sorry you have to deal with it as a secret as well la, very stressful. Have you asked him about it?

I'm looking into slings at the moment purple. I got a baby bjorn on eBay for DH to use on days out and now looking at karime or amawrap as they have good reviews. A friend really rates mandula but I haven't looked at that yet.

The pretext to my London breakdown was I was very tired, been walking hours with no wee and been telling DH I needed to sit for ages. We came across a protest and police cordon so had to turn around. Then some dickhead hit DH with a pillow and I went nuts, screamed at him and then cried most of the way home. Not my finest moment. Maybe I do need a GP...

Tee I agree they sound rotten. They will be the kind of friends that just don't get growing up.

I have a Thornton's egg from the in laws, which is nice but at the risk of sounding like a 50yo, it's just not an old school dairy milk...

I've never smoked, so don't really get how people struggle to quit, especially when a baby's health is at stake.

Congrats new grads! V limited t'internet so only a quick read and write...

Dulcet regarding your breakdown: see a GP if you genuinely think you need some help, but after a day like that you have to allow yourself a meltdown, you're exhausted and all exhausted people get grumpy, add to that dp being attacked by a dickhead and the hormones and it was a perfect storm, put any pregnant lady in your situation and kaboom, inevitable. You have to go easy on yourself, and maybe next time dp will let you sit and that fucker will think twice before hitting people with a pillow. I think you achieved a lot there. So long as you're okay now there's no harm done and you'll be laughing about it in a few weeks. Try not to dwell on it, and do have some cake.

I'm thinking more something for round the house than out and about - looking forward to pushing my lovely pram with my baby in it

I read up on 4th trimester and I thought a sling would help in the early days

Purple I'd love a sling for around the house but being absolutely bloody tiny means that baby is swinging around my knees in all the ones I've tried and I'm a bit wary of ones I have to tie myself, I don't think I'd feel safe that way. I've bought a sling for each of my previous babies and could use neither. If anyone has any tips on a good sling for the vertically challenged (I'm 4'11) please share :)

I can't bring myself to google 'fourth trimester' I'm too precious about semantics

See a GP if you need to Dulcey but tiredness and hormones have a lot to answer for... I had a spectacular meltdown at DH once, screaming and crying and hitting ( ).... over a roman blind...

Hope you're feeling better now!

Rhiannon I'm an inch taller than you on a good day. I tried a sling with DD when she was a baby and her feet were knocking off my knees so I had to kind of lift/hold her higher all the time. Total nightmare.