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The Definitlies - May 2014ers!

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MrsFooCough · 27/12/2013 22:31

Almost there now, May mums!

Stats page: docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvygwA-EKhURdDMwQWNNWGt0cHhmVkloazVVQ0hYNUE#gid=0

Size of baby chart: m.thebump.com/pregnancy/pregnancy-tools/articles/how-big-is-baby.aspx?MsdVisit=1

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Xavielli · 08/01/2014 21:44

See, I'm very 'all or nothing' when it comes to pain relief in labour. I HATE gas & air. I'd never choose pethadine or diamorphine for the simple fact I'm more scared of vomiting than I am the pain. Thankfully - and touching every piece of wood in the house - I've manage to get through 4 labours without using anything (mooing and swearing notwithstanding) but my first port of call would be the epidural.

Irisheyessmiling · 08/01/2014 21:49

loopy thanks for the offer but it's all the pension and student loan stuff that I'm trying to get head round. Got through to payroll, they're going to send a breakdown once they've recdived my paperwork from school (hopefully not too long, handed it in on Monday). So I'll see what happens with that! But thank you!

bugoven · 08/01/2014 21:52

Hello Maybies! I was on the first thread but unfortunately things didn't work out. You were all so supportive so just wanted to drop by and let you know that thanks to you I kept thinking positive and am now on the September antenatal thread Grin. It's lovely to see how far you've all come, I feel like I'm well into my joirmey having just got 3+ on a cbd!
Best of luck for happy healthy preganacies Thanks

Xavielli · 08/01/2014 21:56

Congrats bugoven Thanks all the best to you

Rushyswife · 08/01/2014 21:56

Just to chuck in my tuppence worth, I LOVED gas and air, I'm allergic to pethidine so couldn't have that but did eventually end up with an epidural as I was put on an induction drip as my waters had broken without labour progressing. It makes the contractions INTENSE so I was advised to have it, glad I did as it made things much more bearable. Different for everyone obviously but I am not one that believes you get a medal for enduring hours of pain in labour!

mrsmummytobe · 08/01/2014 22:22

Congrats bugoven Thanks Lovely news!

I guess everyone is really different in labour. I personally have no idea how I'll react to that level of pain!!! I've already told dh that no matter how horrible I am to him while I'm in labour he has to buy me flowers after lol! I'm sort of a bit scared I'll lose it & start punching him & swearing at him or something!

loopylou52 · 08/01/2014 22:47

Congrats bugoven, and best wishes for your pregnancy!

LongTailedTit · 08/01/2014 22:53

Yay for bugoven, lovely news! :)

Re Pethidine, DH has a couple of anaesthetist friends who both said to avoid it at all costs when we picked their brains last time, the less tactful one said very bluntly that it was unsuitable for labour and bad for the baby (said something about it not leaving their systems for much later than the mother's? IIRC he said it made them blue/slow/floppy).
Tbh they were both quite vehement about it, so I'll avoid again this time.

Not being an HCP myself this could all be Hmm, but I took their word for it!

I had G&A with DS (tho it didn't seem to reduce the pain I still wouldn't let go of the mouthpiece) and when I got to the point where I wanted an epidural it turned out I was ready to push - amazing how having the end in sight can help you cope! Grin

impatientlywaiting · 08/01/2014 23:06

Huge congratulations Bugoven. So pleased for you.

dobedobedo · 09/01/2014 06:27

congratulations bugoven that's great news! I'm so glad you came back to tell us Grin Thanks

Pain relief - I had three epidurals with ds and none worked. I was so swollen they couldn't get the needle into the right place. Actually, after ds was born, one of them kicked in and I couldn't feel my legs or move! Lol.
Gas and air was a godsend. It made me so giddy and silly, I actually enjoyed the majority of my labour. I was expecting to be in pain, but the level of pain shocked me. Especially while actually delivering. But it is over quick and when you've got your baby, you don't even notice what happens next. I barely remember delivering the placenta - they could have been amputating my legs and I wouldn't have noticed.
This time I'm not having an epidural as I'm really scared of intervention. If someone comes at me with forceps, dh has promised to rugby tackle them for me Grin

If I have the choice, I'd want an upright active labour and birth, or a c section. No episiotomies please! Confused

mumof2aimingfor4 · 09/01/2014 06:57

bugoven congratulations, absolutely thrilled that your expecting. Take it easy and rest and I wish you a healthy a plain sailing pregnancy and birth.

Chip86 · 09/01/2014 07:09

bugoven congratulations what lovely news

Congrats on all the lovely scan news I think Freddy is a great name

Has anyone heard from Alyss - thinking of u

Minions · 09/01/2014 07:22

bugoven - brilliant news! Wishing you a healthy pregnancy, remember to come back and let us know team pink or blue when the time comes :)

bushprincess · 09/01/2014 08:07

Congratulations bugoven !! wonderful news and thanks so much for letting us know! Wishing you all the best for a smooth and enjoyable pregnancy and a bouncy september baby!!

Just putting my two pence in on the pethidine debate ... the most comprehensive review to date (I believe) is by the Cochrane collaberation (who review the evidence about health care choices) and this suggested that there is 'insufficient evidence' for the use of pethidine in labor (that puts it currently in a group with aromatherapy, TENS, hypnosis and sterile water injection) this doesn't that pethidine DOSEN'T work, just that there isn't enough evidence at the moment to tell us one way or another. However, when you look at the potential side effects (nausea and vomiting for us, potential for respiratory depression and hypothemia for the little one) the lack of evidence at the moment means that for me personally I would avoid it.

That would most likely be my advice to others, but as I said I'm not a Dr (well.. .. Dr of Vet Med and Dr of Philosophy, but neither qualifies me to wield a needle around a pregnant woman! Smile) and have as yet no personal experience of labour!!

for those geeks amongst us who want to see the paper, you can find it here; www.thecochranelibrary.com/details/file/1598141/CD009234.htm

I do love the end of their lay-persons summary...

"Overall, women should feel free to choose whatever pain management they feel would help them most during labour. Women who
choose non-drug pain management should feel free, if needed, to move onto a drug intervention. During pregnancy, women should be
told about the benefits and potential adverse effects on themselves and their babies of the different methods of pain control. Individual
studies showed considerable variation in how outcomes such as pain intensity were measured and some important outcomes were rarely
or never included (for example, sense of control in labour, breastfeeding, mother and baby interaction, costs and infant outcomes). Further research is needed on the non-drug interventions for pain management in labour."

good luck everyone making their choices!

Spirael · 09/01/2014 08:53

Congratulations bugoven! :)

My pain relief for DD1 consisted of 2 paracetamol. Wink I wanted G&A, but it didn't arrive until after she was born. And the MW sent it away again before realising I needed stitches...

I had Pethadine in the fridge just in case, but I never felt I needed it. Given that and what has been said here, I won't bother requesting it this time around. I only briefly had a moment where it felt like it might all be too much, and that must have been transition as DD arrived moments later.

Would recommend a water pool for anyone allowed it, but most of all staying as mobile through pregnancy as you can. Gravity is awesome, and moving around helps things progress as well. But most of all, positive thinking! Stay calm, you can do it. You come from a long line of women who successfully managed to have children - with or without assistance. :)

In terms of finances, employers are not allowed to deduct from statutory maternity payments (but can deduct from enhanced payments if you get any) and you are entitled to receive all the non-performance based benefits you usually do.

IIRC, Pension payments that you make won't go out but if your employer usually contributes then they have to continue to do so. Any private healthcare you have will continue (and it's worth checking whether you get any maternity cover via private medical, as some will pay for a private room in hospital or a non-emergency CS if medically required). Student loan payments are not taken, they go on hold.

If you receive childcare vouchers then you will continue to receive them throughout maternity. Due to this, for first timers it's worth assessing whether it's worth starting to collect vouchers before the child is born. It reduces your salary slightly for the 6 weeks at 90%, but unless you're earning huge amounts you gain more in vouchers for the maternity period. However be wary, as vouchers only last for a year.

Caveat that I'm not an expert - this is just my memory from last time!

dobedobedo · 09/01/2014 10:06

Thanks for all the info spirael and for the pethidine info bush. I refused pethidine with ds because of the effects on the him worried me. I won't use it this time either.

NannyPlumForPM · 09/01/2014 12:22

Congrats bugoven - what fantastic news! And so fast too, I'm really glad that you didn't give up :)

Pain relief wise, I was told I was having a caesarean up until 36 weeks when I moved and the hospital down here wouldn't give me one.... Hmm but in the end I had gas and air - wasn't time for anything else but bloody hell didn't it hurt! An hour and a half of feeling like I was dying.

I'm all set for an epidural this time, and hoping no induction etc needed. My brother was born from pethidine and was very docile for the first week of his life because they gave the injection too late - I wouldn't personally have it as a pain relief choice because I think that the other options are safer and more tested

moominleigh94 · 09/01/2014 13:59

Congrats bugoven so pleased for you!!

Thanks for all the pain relief info. I was feeling a bit clueless really and wasn't sure who to ask so reading all that was helpful. My mum said gas and air made her feel sick and pethidine was the only thing that helped as she wasn't allowed epidural (spina bifida), but I still had to be born by vontoose.

My very very basic rough birth plan so far says "give me whatever whenever you feel like I need it/can have it. If I start annoying you, give me whatever you need to to shut me up. Any interventions are fine if you reckon they're for the best. If my OH starts screaming, slap him and tell him to man up, he can blame me afterwards. No he is not allowed to leave or eat in front of me. If I need an episiotomy that's better than tearing because I don't want a messy mush".

I'll probably need to redraft before I show it to anyone Grin Blush

rebeccax2 · 09/01/2014 14:32

Does anyone get moments when their heart rate gets elevated but for no reason - like they've just finished lunch or something?

I just checked and my H/R was 107. Is it normal to get surges in your H/R?

snoozysleeper · 09/01/2014 14:42

Great news bugoven Flowers

rebecca I think it's probably normal but if you're worried speak to your gp. You will be having bigger cardiac output with little one in there though

Hezbean · 09/01/2014 15:03

Great news bugoven! Congratulations. Wishing you a healthy and happy pregnancy. Keep us posted!

Really interested to read all the pain relief info! Is anyone else thinking of trying any hypnobirthing stuff or have any of you that are Mums already used any of the techniques? A couple of friends of mine did it and thought it was amazing, I've been reading a little bit about it.

rebecca I haven't had the heart rate increase you mentioned but I think a couple of the others have mentioned that before. I definitely get more out of breath more easily these days though climbing the stairs!

By the way - ASOS have got an extra 10% off their sale items today incase anyone needed any maternity stuff. Just add code JAN10. And if you have a lloyds bank account ASOS is also in their Myoffers section where you get 10% cashback!

www.asos.com/Women/Sale/Maternity/Cat/pgecategory.aspx?cid=6413&WT.ac=OL|WW|outlet|btm|matern

moominleigh94 · 09/01/2014 15:28

rebecca at the hospital yesterday, once they'd told me the baby was fine and went to fill in the paperwork, they gave me a cup of water, did my blood pressure and BP was fine but my heart rate was 125 and I set the machines off Blush so I wasn't stressed, there was no obvious reason for it but they didn't seem too worried, they just told me to try and slow it down if I could and kept an eye on me. Think it must be normal :)

impatientlywaiting · 09/01/2014 15:47

Hez bean I've booked onto a hypnobirthing course for Feb, I've heard really good things about it, and although it's expensive I'm hoping it will be worth it.

Hoping for a TENS/gas and air/water birth and that the hypnobirthing will keep me calm, but I'm not going to be too prescriptive on my birth plan, and accept that as I've never done this before I don't know how I'll feel and may need stronger pain relief.

mumof2aimingfor4 · 09/01/2014 16:21

Personally I think anything like hypnobirthing is worth a try and makes sense to me. Being calm is one of the most important things for me when in labour. As long as your calm I think you can control your pain a lot better as well as it being better for the baby obviously. Stressed mum can mean stressed baby and more adrenaline passed to the baby from you. I wanted a tens machine for my last labour but I went into labour 4 days before it arrived, I would have tried to use only the tens and no gas and air.

dobedobedo · 09/01/2014 16:39

I'd like to try hypnobirthing this time. Anything that will calm me down and help me focus on the job at hand will help I guess!

Oh and I just found out that I'm going to continue getting bonus throughout my maternity leave! Grin