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MrsBri · 04/03/2013 21:03

Hello and welcome to another shiny fred for Just Shagging graduates!

The last fred was nice and busy so fingers crossed we get lots more members

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The name stuck and we've been the JSing viroids ever since.

The last thread saw a few births, including one set of twins, and this one promises to be fruitful also with a number of us nearing the end of the 9 month wait!

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Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
frogchops · 25/03/2013 18:53

Oh! Having just got home.... I've had a letter that says my bloods have been rejected due to an error with either the form or the sample. The letter was sent a day before the phone call. I'm sooooo confused. Confused

Rockchick1984 · 25/03/2013 19:08

Oooh, fingers crossed for a mix-up Frog!

frogchops · 25/03/2013 19:25

I really don't need this. I'm guessing its not the downs bloods though, they wouldn't have been able to give me a risk other wise :-(

WingDefence · 25/03/2013 19:58

Hi frog

The private test sounds like a good idea. Have you booked it yet or can you wait until after you've spoken to someone tomorrow about the bloomin results? Thanks

frogchops · 25/03/2013 20:08

I'm calling in the morning about these damn bloods but I won't book test till I've spoken with mw on wed. Think its best I call rather than go to the clinic. I fear for their safety face to face!!

ICompletelyKnowAboutGuineaPigs · 25/03/2013 20:21

Gosh Frogs I can really understand your confusion. Definitely worth a phonecall to someone senior tomorrow I think. The scan seems like a good idea, a way to decide whether to risk the amnio or not.

The active birth classes were very comprehensive when it came to hormones and the effect anxiety has on them. She really focused on birth environment - although she was very pro-HB, the MW did suggest that if you are not going to birth in your nest (home) then take your nest to the hospital. She recommended taking photos, music, familiar and comforting smells etc. to the hospital to make it as much like home as possible. I thought that was s nice idea.

She also recommended a book called Ecstatic Birth. It's by Dr Sarah Buckley and is available as a free ebook from her website. I read it last night (its only 15 pages long) and well worth a look in my opinion. Can't link to it as I'm on my phone but I found it through Google fairly quickly.
I need to tidy up the dinner things but all I really want to do is get in the bath ... decisions decisions!

Pineapple80 · 26/03/2013 01:46

Good luck Frog, sorry to hear you have to go they all this additional stress.

How are you doing Wing? Thinking of you!!

Hope everyone is doing well this week. I'm really looking forward to the long weekend. Spend more time with DH and maybe go away on a day trip. Smile

Guinea - I may look up that book you mentioned, thanks!

StuckOnARollercoaster · 26/03/2013 09:52

Oh frog have just caught up with the thread and hope you can get some answers today. You must be on a such a rollercoaster of emotions - hopefully you may get some good news today, but if not, keep reaching out for support in real life and here...

Well last workshop at work has been completed - just 3 days of finishing off work left... (As you can see that involves a mumsnet catch up first Wink)Feeling very lucky that I am finishing so early. Going to sleep for a week and then spend the next few weeks tackling the house and turn it into a freshly painted nest for us!!!

frogchops · 26/03/2013 10:01

Cutting a long story short....it's not downs bloods, its the other 4 bottles that need redoing. The form wasn't filled in right. I have found out that my hcg level was 1.5 and Papp-a was 0.3. It's the Papp-a that's elevated the risk. :-(

WingDefence · 26/03/2013 10:11

Frog I won't pretend that I understand that (and I appreciate that was the short version) - does this mean you're back to where you were the other day?

In babywatch news, still nothing happening! In fact, as I've managed to catch up on sleep and not do much in the day since running around doing all my sorting out and organising last week, I actually feel pretty good and not at all like a baby might be arriving soon!

My BF is currently driving up from Worcs to visit me today - I cannot wait to see her! I hope she's brought her MW ear trumpet thingy Grin

I've booked us into a nice restaurant for lunch and we might pop over to see my DPs for a cuppa this afternoon but otherwise it's just going to be nice to catch up now we live so far from each other (both from south London and have ended up out in the countryside). :) :) :)

Hope you all have nice days planned , whether you're at work or not, and you aren't worrying too much frog.

Rockchick1984 · 26/03/2013 10:17

Frog the HCG is well within normal range then which is fantastic, the Papp-A would be considered normal if it was 0.4 or higher so its not a million miles away from normal! This website explains it fairly simply I think.

Glad you're feeling ok Wing

frogchops · 26/03/2013 10:39

I think I might have it wrong....I think the hcg was 2.something, and the Papp-a was 0.3. Making it not so good. It was the nuchal measurement that was 1.5. When I mentioned provate testing, the mw said that nhs could do anything a private clinic could....but I'm not sure. She said the marker scan could be done by nhs at 20 weeks. I'm not sure if it would be as detailed??

Pineapple80 · 26/03/2013 10:52

Frog, to give you some perspective my Papp-A levels were 0.09 mom. Making it very, very low... It was also the only factor making my risk 1:21 then. No one can explain why it was so low bit they are monitors me closely now and all is well so far.c not sure if this helps at all bit wanted to to say i know what you're going thru right now. It's so hard. For us the CVS was decided very promptly based on my higher risk. I went to a well known OB here to get my CVS done and was assured they were reputable and do them often (less risk of issues).

Pineapple80 · 26/03/2013 10:56

Have a nice day Wing, that is so lovely your bf is coming to visit! Smile

WingDefence · 26/03/2013 21:29

Hi all - had a lovely day with my BF but am knackered now so I'm in bed and this will be short!

She palpated me this morning and reckons MiniWing's back in on my front left now so I hope she stays that way! She also thought 2/5 engaged I think but I can't remember. I'll see what the MW says in the morning :)

Right, I need my beauty sleep now. Night all (except for Hooya and Pineapple overseas!) :)

Kittenkatzen · 27/03/2013 07:39

Is it just me that thinks "palpation" should mean mashing up soft fruit or something, not prodding a pregnant belly?! ConfusedGrin

WingDefence · 27/03/2013 11:42

Well I can see the similarity kitten Grin

Had my MW appt today (38+5!) with CrazyMW and yes, MiniWing appears to be more round to the front which is good, and head is fixed but not fully engaged but that's fine second time round and heartbeat was absolutely fine.

My lead MW is back from leave next Wed so I now want to hang on until then! Next MW appt will be with her the week after (two weeks today) as apparently they don't normally do them until 41 weeks now but the MW said she doesn't think leave a pg woman 3 weeks without a check is wise and I agree with that!

I went through my HB box with BF yesterday which was useful to look at all the stuff in there. MW today was in less of a rush (so less crazy than usual to be honest) and we had time for a chat about the third stage, cord clamping etc. i might write that discussion up later as BF and I had a good chat about all that yesterday and there are some things I know I would prefer - looks like I might actually have something to write on my birth plan after all!

This MW is v pro-HB so that made me feel happier if I do get her but I'm expecting not to know the MW (as if I went into hospital) and then if I do know them that'll be a complete bonus.

frog, how are you today? Have you made any more decisions?

ICompletelyKnowAboutGuineaPigs · 27/03/2013 14:04

There are some really interesting blogs I've been reading about the 3rd stage of labour and cord clamping. Have you made any decisions Wing? I'm opting for a physiological 3rd stage so clamping the cord will be done when that's done.

Glad they are seeing you sooner rather than later - hopefully you'll have your baby by then though! Good news on the position and engagement - I think miniGuinea has twisted around a bit as I'm not feeling kicks at the front/middle as much.

frogchops · 27/03/2013 16:59

Cutting an extremely long story short am possibly in the position to consider harmony testing. I won't bore everyone with how/why and the details you've already read, but now I'm looking for opinions on this and if anyone has/knows of anyone who has had it. :-/

GaryBuseysTeeth · 27/03/2013 18:05

frog, not had it but wishing you all the luck in the world. xx

Wing, hurrah for birth planning! With DS mine said 'whatever I want at the time' Grin

20wk scan went well & it's a boy!

ICompletelyKnowAboutGuineaPigs · 27/03/2013 20:44

Congratulations GBT. Fab news on positive scan and yay for a boy!

Sorry Frog I can be of no help as I hadn't even heard of the harmony test before someone on this thread mentioned it. Sending you Thanks ,Brew and Biscuit though

wavesandsmiles · 27/03/2013 21:17

Good luck on your decision making frog and congrats on the blue scan GBT. I have a blue bump too Smile

I'm STILL being sick all the time, and now am 22 + 2 weeks, but at least the daily IV fluids and meds are helping by keeping the dehydration at bay, and allowing me to retain some calories, so I have stopped losing weight.

tiredteddy · 27/03/2013 21:56

No idea about the Harmony testing Frog, could you star a thread about it? Someone must have had it on here somewhere?

Waves, nice to see you here. Glad the treatment is at least helping you a bit. I think of you often Smile

Gary, a blue bump hooray how lovely!

WingDefence · 27/03/2013 22:15

waves, so glad to see you back. Sorry I've been a bit slack at commenting in the other place Blush but I've been thinking of you lots.

Gary, congrats on the blue bump! And frog I'm afraid I'd never heard or the harmony test either before it was mentioned on here. Have you thought of starting a separate thread about it?

Guinea, BF and I had a long talk about it yesterday because she went on an interesting MW conference lecture last month in Birmingham and she had been telling me about that (basically about the different types of injections they use for the managed stage should be given at different times and no one seems to know about it).

But then we went on to discuss delayed cord clamping as I saw a thread on here about home births and delayed cord clamping so I wanted to ask her thoughts on having a managed third stage (which I'd prefer, only because I want it over and done with ASAP!) but combined with delayed cord clamping if possible. She said that it is perfectly possible so that's what I'm going to ask for.

But what was interesting was that in the middle of our convo she mentioned that some of the 'more experienced' MWs or complacent older MWs in her hospital give the injection to help the placenta come out once the head's been born i.e. when the baby hasn't even been born yet. She was saying that she'd never do that for a few reasons including undiagnosed twins(!) but also, more seriously, something like shoulder dystocia (where the shoulder gets stuck). If you being the artificial process of expelling the placenta and the baby's not even been fully born, then you can certainly cause problems for the baby if there are any problems between the head coming out and the full birth.

I just took in what she was saying and thought 'yep, makes sense'. So this morning I was discussing having delayed cord clamping for MiniWing but still having a managed third stage and the MW was agreeing but then just dropped into the conversation that "we usually give the injection after the baby's head has been born but we'd wait until the cord has stopped pulsating before we clamp it". Apart from the point that I can't see how a delayed cord clamp really works if they've already give an injection to speed the placenta expulsion, I just thought "nooooo, you are no way giving me the injection before my lovely baby has been born completely 100% safely!!!". Shock

I did the right thing by nodding politely and thinking "sod that, I'm definitely putting it in my birth plan that I was a delayed cord clamp and the injection to follow"!

I spoke to BF tonight and as I was explaining this to me she knew exactly what I was going to say and completely agreed that my choice (if I want a managed third stage) was absolutely the right thing to do. She was also impressed that I had just silently nodded agreement like an uninformed person but knew exactly that what she was saying isn't a great idea.

Sorry, that was really long!

In other unwelcome news, a child at DS's preschool came down with chicken pox yesterday and DS hasn't had it so I'm currently really worried that hell come down with it in the next two weeks when the baby has been born as it's really dangerous for newborns :(

I've done a lot of googling and it does seem to make a big difference if I'm immune and I did have it really badly as a child so I'm currently trying to decide whether I sit for ages get an emergency GP appt tomorrow morning for a blood test to see if I'm immune, which I probably am, or whether just to let it take its course and worry about it if DS comes down with it. Even then, the baby might not catch it. I don't know what to do - we had family plans for a day trip tomorrow Confused

Kittenkatzen · 28/03/2013 08:10

Ooh lots of blue bumps, lovely! Smile

Nice to see you back waves glad the treatment is helping a little bit. The constant vomming must be getting beyond tedious now though you poor thing Thanks

Interesting stuff on the 3rd stage/cord clamping business, definitely something I need to read up on.

16wks today for me, midwife appt this morning Smile