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April 2013....from Flumper to Bump! (Part 4)

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toobreathless · 22/10/2012 22:13

Over here!

Another place for us April 2013 Ladies!

We have old thread & stats threads as below:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/antenatal_clubs/1569780-April-2013-part-3-scan-scan-scan

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/antenatal_clubs/1560543-April-2013-stats-thread

As the days darken & winter approaches may this thread bring us all blossoming bumps, peaceful nights & more friendship and laughter.

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Ollibobs · 03/11/2012 23:13

Hi bext - I asked midwife for the test at my booking in appointment as I was really concerned about it. (Have two elderly cats...) Everything I had read though said catching it was really rare - and transmission to the baby even less likely. However, as it was really worrying me, the midwife said I should get tested for peace of mind. She just added it to my blood test requisition.
The test came back negative, however, it turns out that despite having cats my entire life, I am not immune... So, while I was glad that to find out that I didn't have it (obviously) I kind of think it's made me worry more as at least before I thought I had about a 30% chance of being immune...Sad
However, the risks are apparently pretty low, but to be extra careful I wash my hands and fruit like crazy and load up on the hand sanitizer.
But, to rest your mind at ease, check out the NHS website. It's stats are reassuring: www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1107.aspx?CategoryID=54&SubCategoryID=137%23close

So long story short: talk to your midwife. She should sort you out pretty easily.

Good luck!

MrsSimkins · 04/11/2012 11:15

Hey Ladies,
Does anyone know if I can take anything for cystitis? I think I have it a little so have sent DH out for some cranberry juice but just wondered if anyone knows of anything I can take to get rid as I'm feeling so uncomfortable and am disliking seeing blood when I go to the loo! [Sad] sorry if tmi x

Trishstar · 04/11/2012 12:29

Hi ladies, just had a read thru to catch up with you all.

I've been feeling little flutters and pops for the last couple weeks which is exciting! Just looking forward to feeling proper movements soon so my boyfriend can feel too!!

Xxxx

Trish x

Xxx

Missmuffet28 · 04/11/2012 14:20

Aww mrssimkins I feel for you I get it ALOT something to do with having shorter tubes and now most prob scaring on bladder my doctor has always told me to not bother with the cranberry once you have it (cranberry more of a preventative) just loads and loads and loads of water to flush out and help discomfort also makes the feeling of going to loo more satisfactory as you actually have a full bladder but go docs and get some antibiotics to clear it up I'm pretty sure they can give you safe ones in pregnancy cos if it travels any further up you will be in so much pain :(
Of course this is just my experience I'm no doctor but like I say I get it a lot and usually manage this way until I can get to docs :)

EmpressMatilda · 04/11/2012 16:32

bext I had the toxoplasmosis test about a month ago. The cats round here like to use our garden as a toilet Angry and I have done quite a lot of gardening lately, not always being careful and using gloves. At first I wasn't worried but then I read a leaflet my MW gave me about it and I got panicked so I called up the clinic and they did a test. It came back negative which means I don't have it but also that I am not immune. I have been very careful since.

The weird thing is a couple of weeks later someone from the clinic phoned up (not someone I'd spoken to there before) and interrogated me as to why I had requested the test. She was actually quite rude. I explained I had requested it as I was concerned (mainly because of the leaflet I was given) and wanted reassurance, and that her colleagues had seemed to think this was fine.

She said that the chance of me having toxoplasmosis was tiny and also that the treatment for it was potentially more harmful for the baby than them actually having toxoplasmosis!

So, anyway, I am not sure this little episode helps you at all except to say that it's rare but also that there seems to be a lack of agreement about it in the medical profession!

aufaniae · 04/11/2012 18:45

Ollibobs and Empress, I'd be pleased to get a negative test for toxoplasmosis. Not exactly pregnancy related - but maybe interesting ...

Until recently we thought that toxoplasmosis was "symptomless and causes no harm". However I heard a really interesting documentary earlier this year which said that research now suggests otherwise.

(I've copied this from another thread where I posted this before, apologies if anyone's already read it!)

The documentary said:

The microorganism Toxoplasma gondii likes living in warm blooded creatures, but needs to be in a cat to reproduce. It is passed on through faeces, but much more commonly through raw or undercooked meat. So, you can see that it is in the interests of the parasite if it can turn its host into meat (i.e. kill it), and ideally with a cat around. Research has shown that rats infected with Toxoplasma gondii "lose their instinctual fear of cats and engage in reckless risk-taking", therefore much more likely to end up as a cat's dinner. Sinister! (It does this by stimulating dopamine production in the rats.)

So, does infection affect human's brains at all? The researchers think so. "a Czech parasitologist named Jaroslav Flegr decided to look for evidence that T. gondii's mind-meddling extends beyond rats. Testing the blood of drivers responsible for causing traffic accidents, he discovered they were two and a half times more likely to have been exposed to T. gondii than the general population. "

They also found that infection had a different affect on men and women. Infected men were more likely to become more jealous. Infected women were more likely to become more trusting and promiscuous.

The most interesting part I thought, was a possible link between Toxoplasma gondii infection and schizophrenia. If true, this will open up promising new avenues for a possible prevention and/or cure of the schizophrenia. This possibility is being taken seriously and research is being carried out.

Newpaper article here

Info on Toxoplasmosis/Schizophrenia Research

kellestar · 04/11/2012 21:13

can't add anything to the toxiplasmosis discussion.

Feeling a bit fed up with my family. My sister was visiting the area today, we had to go to my mum's to say hello [she's a bit of a princess and the world revolves around her], we've had snow locally and it was a bit crazy on the roads so a 15 minute trip took almost 45 minutes, plenty of accidents and I was being a cautious driver. She gave us a big lecture on arrival how we have messed up her schedule and now she can't do this that or the other, which meant she called the other relatives/friends who had to come to her and adjust all their times. She then proceeded to fondle me [she knows I'm not touchy feely] and she said 'what a disappointment that you are having another girl' she's made her prediction on what sex the bump is, we aren't finding out and won't be bothered by whatever comes. My mum was watching TV, but my sister wanted to sit on the sofa and chat so she turned the TV off [blamed me] and chased mum upstairs to babysit my sisters darling hound that can't be left alone, but has to be shut away as she doesn't like children. It was just a painful conversation, the world revolves around her, blah blah blah, how mean I am to be having 'her' honeymoon baby. What is going to happen to all the baby stuff from my DD, that she planned on having off me [not that I would, I knew I wanted more DC's] if she falls pregnant before DC2 is born she has more rights to it than I do, wtf? Ack it was just vile. DH had to make conversation with her DH who is just an awfully lazy person, with no aspiration in life than to do feck all, claim as many benefits as he can whilst lying through his teeth and doing cash in hand work badly. We both came away with headaches two hours later. Bacon Butty's and Chocolate Brownies helped relieve them. I love my Dad and my Brother but I can't stand my mum or my sister they are horrible and I usually avoid them as much as possible.

I've tried to post a few times but my ipod is having ishoos, I type the post and it looses it... a real PITA. So we went to fireworks last night with SIL, BIL and their 2 DC's and had a fab time, DD loved the bangy bangy.

Still being sick, no sign yet of it passing. Most of the week been sleeping 8pm to 8am. More sleep does seem to relieve it, but if I try to do too much then the nausea rages and I end up being awfully ill.

DH has been off work with a bad lower back, he's been given the co-codamol that I took for my SPD last pg, he now understands why I felt like I did taking them. A little spaced out, pukey, like being really hammered and sometimes a little wild. It helped with some of the discomfort but not a lot. I'm hoping the chiropractor will have him back on his bum soon. Standing is fine, it's sitting that he can't do.

16+2 and will try to keep my posts smaller [was slightly pissed off with her behaviour and just wanted to vent somewhere] thank you.

EssexWelsh · 04/11/2012 21:47

Evening ladies, in bed, setting alarm after a lovely half term, good luck all the teachers out there, but just think only 2 half terms to go til we go on our 'holidays' Wink

aufaniae · 04/11/2012 21:52

kellestar please don't apologise for venting! That's what we're here for :)

What strange behaviour from your mum and sister! I'm not surprised you're fed up.

Here have some virtual Wine. (We're allowed to drink it in cyberspace!)

Sorry to hear you're still being sick, that must be miserable. Have you found anything relieves it at all?

Teapig · 05/11/2012 05:12

Kellestar some of the things your sister said were beyond unreasonable. Feel free to have a good vent, that's what we're here for. Hope you and your DH feel better soon.

I'm in California at the moment and boy it's hot. Big respect to wombat and bunny, being pg in Oz must be tiring when it's hot.

Went to the Getty today and after a couple of hours felt really exhausted, a combination of the 90 degree heat and 20 hours travelling the day before. In big comfy hotel bed now though Smile

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somewherebecomingrain · 05/11/2012 07:40

That toxoplasmosis info is scary! And 40%of us have it.

I really want to know if I've had it now.

More than just for pg safety as I'm being careful. Sounds like my personality could depend on it. Too much!

Only good news was that freezing meat kills the spores and I do freeze all my meat.

Kellestar how horrible. I hope you can work towards disentangling your life from these harridans. I had a personality disorder sister I now never see her and it's taken a very problematic and destabilising madness out of my life. They sound a bit PD to me.

Trying2bwpos I didn't realise your mum had died that is so sad. How are u feeling? Xxx

somewherebecomingrain · 05/11/2012 07:51

Omg look at toxo on Wikipedia. Apparently it has positive effects protecting against Alzheimer's and boosting intelligence - but u will crash the car more often.

Aufaniae man this is extraordinary

Mama1980 · 05/11/2012 10:12

Hi sorry for not having time to update sooner, thanks for all the messages and pm s I will reply personally if I ever am allowed my laptop in here. I hope everyone is well?
I have had a bit of a nightmare week, I had a massive bleed and was moved to a intensive unit and they thought they may have to act but the bleeding slowed again. So I'm back on the maternity/pre labour ward just waiting and hoping. I have had about 15 scans and my boy is hanging in there looking plump as well [proud mama emoticon] they are pretty sure they will be delivering very early now so 24 weeks is my aim.
Do you mind if I ask your opinions on dp? Don't want to clog up the thread if you'd rather I didn't Smile

aufaniae · 05/11/2012 10:40

Mama great to hear your boy is doing well. I'm sorry the bleeding continues to be so worrying, I can't imagine what you're going through right now.

Of course you can write about your DP here! You're not clogging up the thread at all, I'm sure we'd all be happy to help if we can.

edinfirst · 05/11/2012 12:20

mama we'd love to help, you have helped us so much with your strength that anything we can give back would be fab

itsaruddygame · 05/11/2012 12:37

Mama - gald you are both OK but sorry to hear you have been through yet more trauma! I hope that you have a few weeks of things being a bit easier for you now. As others have said feel free to vent about dp - that is what the thread is for.

Kellestar - your sister sounds like a spoilt brat - how annoying! It must be hard to keep your cool having to put up with that level of sh1te!

On a completely unrelated topic I saw Skyfall yesterday - it was great and I would highly recommend it! I would add that it is quite long though and being pregnant brought a whole new dimension to the feeling of needing a pee in a packed cinema whilst trying to judge when a quiet bit might be happening so I could dart out. Note to self - sit on the end next time Grin

birdbrain17 · 05/11/2012 12:47

kellestar I can only send big sympathy waves to you. My mum is a bit like what you're describing thinks the whole world revolves around her and everyone hates her and is trying to ruin her life, to the point were she didn't come to my wedding because I was having it in London where I was living at the time even though my family is in Manchester, she spent my whole engagement telling me how selfish I was for not having the wedding where it was convenient for her, and now she keeps saying she wants to come visit us in London when the baby is born she must be joking there is no way I'm letting her mess me around and ruin my life we'll go visit when it's good for us! Don't let your family get you down as long as you're happy and well and don't let them stress you it's not good for the baby!

mama please do post what's happening with your DP we really want to help you and even if we can't help we'll sympathise (mumsnet is great for sympathy!!!!!)

anyone had their 20 week scan yet? I'm due 7th April and it's in a couple of weeks so people due end of March or 1st week April must be having it soon can't wait to hear how everyone's goes Smile
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toobreathless · 05/11/2012 13:07

Busy weekend here, we are all suffering with 'nursery plague' as I like to call it & my parents have been up to visit.

I also bought a Baba Sling to add to my sling collection (oops!) in my defence it was slightly reduced. The one thing that concerns me about number 2 is that DD is so active and sitting on the sofa for hours breastfeeeding is not going to be an option this time round! So I'm hoping to be able to feed in the sling.

DH (forces) has just found out that he will be deployed for 4 months end of May so baby will be somewhere around 6-8 weeks depending on how late it is glares at DD We will also be moving house in february probably to Lincolnshire. I am a Dr on a training scheme and will hopefully just transfer onto the scheme down there. Feeling rather over whelmed by the whole thing, we moved 200 miles across the country in late July! The thought of being 4 hrs from both our families, with no friends, a toddler and a newborn. sigh!

Enough ME, ME, ME.

Mama just WONDERFUL to hear from you and littleblueMama. Sounds like you had a very scary week. Baby is very resilent as are you clearly! You have definately put my silly worries into perspective. Like you one of my friends had a baby at 26 weeks, her waters went at 22 weeks and she managed to hang on. Her son is perfect now, such a joy. Ask away regarding DH.

BirdBrain our due dates are very similar, mine is 5th and my twenty week scan is at 19 + 4 on 13th Nov... next Tuesday EEEK! I am very excited to see baby and hopefully find out sex. DH and I will be off out for dinner to talk names my favourite conversation, I could happily talk about baby names for 9 months but DH has the attention span of a flea for that sort of conversation. Men!

18 + 3

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JessieEssex · 05/11/2012 13:07

birdbrain I'm one of the early ones (due 31st March) and my scan's next Wednesday....Eek!

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Caladria · 05/11/2012 13:08

Woke up this morning with my left calf muscle and right hip aching. It goes away as soon as I start walking. Please tell me this isn't spd or I might cry.

@kellestar - your family sound like a bit of a nightmare. @mama - go ahead and ask!

aufaniae · 05/11/2012 13:16

somewherebecomingrain it's fascinating isn't it? It makes you question what's the "real" you! But here's the thing, humans have probably lived with a high infection rate for Toxoplasma gondii for quite some time, possibly so long that it has become part of our culture.

We celebrate risk taking - well, when people get it right at least! Like Felix Baumgartner's recent jump from the edge of space. And although risk taking might not be so good for the survival of the individual, it's often of benefit to the rest of us. Felix Baumgartner's jump wasn't just for fun, he's helped scientists trying to work out how people might survive a space-shuttle crash. But was he driven to do it by a parasite?!

And then, would we actually want everyone to be cured from it? Would it change the nature of the human race?

It's easy to think of there being a pure, un-infected human state, which is the real us. But the more I find out about this kind of stuff the more I thinks that actually the "real" us includes a collection of bacteria, parasites, diseases. There is no "pure" state.

So, for example (and bringing this back to babies! ... ) we have "friendly" bacteria in our stomachs for example. We've had them so long that our bodies have evolved to encourage them.

Not all of breast milk can actually be digested by babies. Until very recently, scientists thought that some of the milk was just waste. But they've recently discovered that the non-digestible part actually contains molecules which are there to feed the good bacteria in the gut, thus promoting a healthy gut (important in the fight against infection).

Also, many scientists believe that "a virus is probably responsible for the method of childbirth in humans ... Endogenous retroviruses are encoded in the DNA of every mammal, and are responsible for mammals incubating their young" link

In other words, our distant ancestors caught a virus which prevented them laying eggs, and the first mammal was born. This virus is passed down through our genes, all mammals which bear live young have it. In fact 8% of our DNA is the remnants of ancient viruses, apparently. link

I would rather not be cured of that one! I hurts to give birth, sure, but I'd much rather give birth to a baby than an egg!

I'm sure this is old news to those who study such things, but it's new to me and I think it's fascinating! Our sense of identity - who we are as individuals and species in fact includes a collection of viruses, bacteria and possibly parasites. Not saying that all bacteria / viruses are good of course! But that we live in them in a kind of long-term evolutionary game of chess, where we've managed to turn some infections to our advantage, or at least live with them.

Sorry I know it's a little off topic from April babies but I'm hoping kind of relevant as we are in the business of creating life at the moment :)

Apologies for essay-like post can't help it I'm a student! hope it's interesting though :)

aufaniae · 05/11/2012 13:18

Interesting article here btw about what's in breastmilk.

HavingALittleFaithBaby · 05/11/2012 15:38

Yes mama, glad you're both still hanging in there even though it's not easy for you. Definitely feel free to ask abut your DP!

too that's my neck of the woods so feel free to ask me questions/PM me!

I have my 16 week appt tomorrow with the midwife and my 20 week scan isthe second week in December (I'm at the tail end of the group!). I'm really hoping to hear the heart beat! :)

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Missmuffet28 · 05/11/2012 16:05

Lol i have visions of carrying round an egg now for 9months!!!

Glad to hear your hanging in there mama!!!

Whilst I have a cat and have assigned dp to the litter tray I'm not going to worry about toxo neither will I be requesting a test for it I just feel there's so much other stuff to worry about and I would hate to get a result I didn't want and then resent my big podgy ginger moggy Grin

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Mama1980 · 05/11/2012 16:22

Thanks everyone Smile
have just been hooked up to some foul yellow vitamin drip gunk, but it makes me feel better so its worth having the horror of watching something that colour drip into me Grin No further disasters here today thank heaven fingers crossed for a couple of quiet weeks-im 19 weeks today so only 5 more weeks until baby booy has a real chance.
If you could give me some perspecive on dps actions i would be very grateful i promise ill keep this as short as possible. I have been with my partner or 4 years we had been friends before, he doesnt live with us (my choice) but spends time with us. before i fell pregnant we were very happy, he wanted to get married etc but i didnt.
Dp didnt want me to have this baby we went to all the drs together initially listened to all the opinions and risks, he said we had to terminate, that the risks are too great, but i couldnt have acted any other way. hes my baby you know i love him no matter what the risks.
when i first went into hospital i thought he was looking after the children etc that we were a family, a team. he didnt he basically left, has been of no support or help at all really. Last week he didnt come initially then i practically begged him to come to a scan he came but said he cares for me not the baby that he cant see how we can work this out. I am so very angry and hurt, this is our baby and he doesnt care, he isnt helping he doesnt even respect my decision. My friend says he will come around its just that hes scared, but so am i, so am i and since when does he get to just abandon ship because the going gets tough?! I have children they are my priority and he has let them down, as well as me. My dd is so angry on my behalf.
I am not afraid to do this alone, i have worked bloody hard to make a life for us all my dd is mine throgh a SGO and i had to jump through a thousand hoops to be given custody, which was my hesitiation regarding him moving in etc. but it really hurts. I cant see how it is even possible for me to forgive him right now. He says he doesnt want anything to do with the baby, he will blame him. Writing that he said that makes me want to kill him, even if i cant sit up right now-trying to smile here. i feel so stupid what a mess.