We will have a serene, pain free, uneventful pregnancy and birth and will BROOK NO ARGUMENT on that.

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New thread.

Love you guys seriously a little bit too much probably!

purple I think after this long I'd get checked. Gps see the contagious day in, day out. However I'm not sure if out of hours Gps have the same access sending off stool samples etc- I think in our area at least (when I came back from trekking in Nepal with nasty lingering d&v) it was symptomatic treatment and see your own gp on Monday. Might be worth ringing and asking though?

hawthers, I also rely on mn way too much!!

too, your message was so emotional. I hope everything goes exactly as you plan this time, you'll be such a wonderful mum. And 4 bras is not enough imo. I think i had 6 and they were constantly in the wash, due to leaking, or spilled milk when latching on/off feeding I could never wear them more than one day except occasionally in times of lack of clean one crisis and was constantly washing even with 6!!! I'd have got more if I'd know then I'd wear them constantly for over a year. Does depend though, my friend stopped leaking way earlier than me so had given up breast pads etc, where I think i was still using them at 8 or 9 months...

hi all.

hope you're better soon purple :(

i am doing my own nut in here as I'm finding it weird sleeping on my own tonight. dh had a very extremely rare night out last night, so i had a nice evening with DS. my overactive pg brain just wants to know dh got back to his hotel ok though. hormones eh. i have listened to DS snottering breathing on the monitor a few times when I've woken up, it was strangely relaxing. if only i could sleep through i wouldn't have time for all this thinking...

too your post was lovely, don't worry about making us cry. :) although i had to close the thread quick at work where i was slacking so i didn't get spotted blubbing at the pc!

scream i can't think of much to add about how lovely it is making your own wee person. i love DS so much i could just burst. he was so excited when he got up from his nap yesterday to find me home early, got such a big smile. i was scared of him growing into a big toddler but he's still v cute and his chat is so funny!

i started off with about 2 nursing bras, ended up with about 8 in 3 different sizes.

i never used a single breast pad for leaking, they were handy for stopping Lansinoh getting everywhere though.

could be different this time though!

jaggy their conversations just get better as they get older and more verbal. For example, walking back from the chippy the other week ds piped up with "mummy, why don't dogs have pockets?" He was concerned they wouldn't have anywhere to keep their stuff when they were out and about!
I have 2 nursing bras and seeing as I didn't leak too nadly and didn't express for more than a couple of months I have decided to stick with them till the event and then buy as needed.
Had a crappy nights sleep. Dp snored all bloody night. Ho hum, I have a giant cup of tea next to me and am snuggled with ds under a blanket watching telly so not all bad!

I had a celebratory glass of red wine last night and slept like a log! It seems so unfair that pregnancy gives me insomnia and then the one thing that helps me sleep I'm not allowed to have. I still feel exhausted today though.

I'm on my own with DS all day today, we might go for a walk and then snuggle up and watch DVDs. DH and I are out for our anniversary meal tonight so I don't want to do anything too tiring beforehand.

Purple I really hope you're feeling better today. It's strange how you can be ok eating sometimes and then others it's still making you so ill. I defintely think you should get yourself checked out.

Ninja that's so funny about the dogs not having pockets. I love it when DS comes out with funny stuff. I still think the best one of his was when he was listing all the women in the family who have boobies and all innocently included Grandad

Hope the rest of you all have a good weekend.

at grandad having boobies! Glad you slept a bit better scarlet and have a lovely meal tonight. Snuggling with dvd's after a walk sounds like a nice way to spend the day.

FFS DS has told me he's eaten my plant! I've had a look and there is indeed a bite out of one of the leaves on my orchid. Just waiting for NHS Direct to call me back. He seems to be finding it quite amusing but I'm Googling like mad.
I only got the bloody thing yesterday, I've never had a house plant in his lifetime but thought we were past having to worry about stuff like that (at least temporarily) Obviously not.

Oh goodness!!! Hope he's ok xx at least he told you!

Eek! sometimes it's a good thing that toddlers give you a running commentary of their day... hope he's ok!

Eek, Scarlet! here Hope this helps. Why must children eat weird things? Granny told me that Dad took a bite out of a crystal glass when he was little and they never knew whether he'd swallowed it or not - they never found the missing piece, but Dad was totally fine, so maybe not.

Purple, how are you today? Hope you're feeling better.

Thanks for all the bra advice. I think I'll start off with the 4 and buy more as I go along. If I'm desperate I can always send DH to Mothercare on an emergency mission. Did anyone else get advised to use savoy cabbage leaves when they got engorged and sore? I did and it really did help. It is really weird walking around with cabbage leaves in your bra, though!

Hawthers, has the lactation consultant been? Was she able to give you any help? How are you feeling today?

How's your DS doing Scarlet?

Also thinking of you thus morning Hawthers and hoping the lactation consultant helped lots.

I've heard the thing about savoy cabbage too Too but never did it. To be fair I don't recall it being too engorged when my my milk came in although I was having more trouble with my nips at the time. But I was never very leaky or anything either. I always used breast pads just in case but they were never absorbing much. As someone else (Jaggy?) said they were good to stop lansinoh getting everywhere

DS seems fine. NHS Direct didn't know anything about orchids, they had to call the National Poisons Unit who thankfully have been able to put my mind at rest. They said he's the second little boy who's done it in the last couple of days.

Worst case scenario is D&V (please no) in which case a trip to A&E with DS and the orchid is required. They said it was more likely that he'll either just have a bit of stomach ache or nothing at all. Once 48 hours have passed it's safe to assume he's ok. I'm a nervous wreck now waiting for puking to start.

Oh no, hope there is no v-ing . Are there any grandparents who could come and help just in case?

But glad its not anything too bad hopefully xx

Thanks Biscuits. Grandparents are babysitting tonight so me and DH can go out for dinner, they're not around today though so I'm going to have to deal with it on my own if he is ill. I wasn't sure whether to cancel tonight just in case? Would you go tonight if he still seemed ok by then?

He's eaten most of his lunch, but he usually eats all of it. Not sure what to do now

Hope your ds is ok scream
Boob lady has been and was very reassuring that we can sort it out. So now have a plan of action. Dh is being very military about it and then contradicting himself - totally frustrating and winding me up si making everything more difficult

I need to be more zen...

Sorry I meant scarlet

I hope Scarlet's DS is okay, and that there's no puking. I think if he hasn't puked by this evening it's probably fine for you to go to dinner as planned - he'll be in good hands with his grandparents anyway.

Hawthers I'm glad the lactation consultant was helpful and has made you feel like this is indeed possible - hang in there! I also share your frustration on the DH front... I'm also searching for an inner source of zen!

Musical good luck with the househunting! It's so stressful but also exciting! Will this be the first place you've owned? I wanted to rip my hair out in the lead up to completing on the purchase of our house, but when I stepped over the threshold for the first time as a fully-fledged owner it was all worth it. Honestly it felt almost as significant as my wedding day Does that make me a bad person?

Thanks to everyone for your comforting words yesterday, and apologies for posting such negative posts which were entirely at odds with the No-Brooking spirit! Today I have spent FAR too much money online and am feeling much calmer My plan is to go back to burying my head in the sand until my next mw appt in two weeks' time, and then I'll draw up my birth plan with her. I pretty much know what it'll be anyway: Codeine (plus gas & air) to start, epidural as soon as they'll let me(!), no to forceps unless it is literally life or death for the baby, cs in preference over forceps. Need to get more serious about my kegels....!

I'm interested in the nursing bra chat as well (seeing as alot of my expensive purchases today have been nursing clothes!) I've only bought one nursing bra so far, not because I think it'll be enough but simply because I'm not sure what size I'll be. I've bought it one size up from where I currently am, and I was planning to just make do with only that one for at least a week after the birth, then I can order another one on online (by guessing based on how comfortable/uncomfortable the first bra is). I imagine it'll be at least 3 or 4 weeks before I'm able to get out to a shop for a proper measurement, and I'll buy a whole load at that point. Is that what other people have done? Or should I be buying more now?

Purple how are you feeling this afternoon? Hope you feel better soon!

Scarlet, I think you'd be fine to go out for dinner, as long as DS has kept that lunch down ok. The grandparents can always call you if anything happens. Are you going out far from home? Hope the little soldier is still doing ok though.

Hawthers glad the boob lady sorted it out and was helpful. How frustrating though if DH is being contradictory. I bet he wants to sort of be in charge of the situation do you don't need to worry about it, but then keeps changing his mind. Mind you that's not much help for you! Perhaps a quiet word to point out that it's not helpful if he's contradicting himself?

May I ask what the boob lady suggested? No worries if you'd rather not, or it's too hard to explain.

Scream I never bought any actual nursing bras before DS was born. Being, ahem, generously proportioned I was worried about what size I'd end up , so I daren't buy any in advance. In fact I vaguely recall I had an appt booked with the nct bra lady for the week I had DS, but obv that was supposed to be while I was still pregnant!! So I remember having to cancel that, because i was actually still in hospital. Then while I was stuck in hospital I just had to wear a normal bra, and obv undress as appropriate to feed. Not ideal, but I had a room and only DH there so it was doable. Then we went to see the nct lady the afternoon we came out of hospital, when DS was 6 days old. DH drove obv and came with me so you might find you'd manage a trip out sooner than 3-4 weeks perhaps? If it was just a short trip you'd probably be fine?

Incidentally the only reason we went to the nct lady was because they did the biggest bras - even bravissimo failed my feeding boobs so I didn't have a great choice sadly.

I guess you could always get measured or even measure yourself and buy online if you're struggling to get out after?

Glad you have a plan Hawthers and well done for getting the help you needed makes all the difference in the world. :)

I wouldn't go crazy buying bras, you don't what size you will end up so a couple at a time is fine. Make sure there are plenty of hook and eyes in the back and space for expansion in the front. Once you are approx 6 weeks in, your milk should settle and you can buy more, but you will probably fluctuate a bit in size your entire nursing relationship. Too glad you treated yourself!

Scarlet worrying but he would have been ill very quickly if he was going to be the V word. Go and enjoy yourself tonight :)

I am having a call form the MW tomorrow and they might rearrange my appointment or even come and see me. I have been in bed all day! Not like me at all but really needed the rest. I have eaten more and feel a bit better so I am hopeful :) Thanks for asking about me it is really kind. :)

Really glad you're on the mend Purple - keep resting xx

scream, I had a 2-pack of nursing bras before I had DD that I'd bought when pg. they were fine til my milk came in, then I went up one more size. I wouldn't buy loads- if i'd bought them as soon as my milk came in I'd have bought DD, but actually very quickly they settled down to a D, just one size up from what I'd been in pg.

what a shame it's taken it out of you so badly purple, I hope you feel better for the rest today and can carry on letting DH look after your DD tomorrow. And that the mw comes to see you- or at least re-arranges it.

Another bad night with DD- not as horrific as I have had, but I am getting so sore with rib pain I am finding it very hard to sleep. Took DD to the zoo while DH did some work. Totally overdid it and am now resting on the sofa while he does her tea... Was limping/waddling back to the car with her. Note to self- do not plan big days out with DD with her on reins plus pushchair for nap plus nappy bag to manage alone. DD went mad for the giraffes and penguins- especially the bit where you could see them swim underwater in their tank- though, so worth it.

scarlet, happy anniversary and hope your meal is lovely. Sure DS will be ok if he still is now. Fingers crossed he is just fine now. And only one mouthful after all. My step sister's eldest once fed 15 random berries to his little brother.... He was fine!

So pleased to hear you're feeling a bit better Purple. Fingers crossed you're through the worst of it now.

Hawthers I'm glad the boob lady has helped you feel a little more positive. Hopefully your DH will become a little more constructive.

Thanks everyone for your concern re DS. He's been completely fine all afternoon and is currently eating pizza (wanted to give him something dryish just in case) so DH and I will be going out tonight as planned. We're not going to a nice Indian restaurant in town Biscuits, so not far and we won't be late. Not that I can be bothered now. Why on earth would he want to eat a plant? He'd had a big bowl of porridge for breakfast and a slice of toast for a mid morning snack, it's not like he could have been hungry!

*We're not going??? Meant we are going, of course.

dream thanks for the reassurance. I'm hoping that if he was going to react he would have by now. It's just because they told me he could show signs over the next 48 hours that I can't bring myself to relax completely.

Wow I'm in awe of you facing the zoo on your own with DD. I wouldn't take DS on my own even if I wasn't pregnant! Sounds like she had a lovely time. Let's hope the fresh air has done her some good and you both get a better night tonight.

Have a lovely time Scarlet

I agree Dream that you are super brave to take on the zoo on your own! I do think you need a post it on your bathroom mirror that says 'Remember, you're pregnant with twins!' I took DS to the aquarium before Christmas without any pushchair or anything and that was hard enough work! Hope you enjoyed it anyway and have had a nice rest while DH did her tea.

I've enjoyed DH actually not working today so we've been swimming which was lovely and then had an afternoon about the house doing various little jobs, like putting up a new light in the nursery etc so even more little jobs ticked off now :)

Then we've just all had dinner together and I'm looking forward to settling down for a bit of tv once DS is in bed. With an imaginary glass of wine

Hope everyone else is ok xx