Rats Successfully Smacked, the 'No Brookers' uneventful pregnancy and pain free birth thread :)

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Hello :)

jaggy, your status could read "Jaggythistle- is still puking in the evenings- baby number 2 is certainly making themselves at home!" Just so everyone realised it was pg related rather than a bug?!?!

Your DS sounds so sweet. I love the 'denicious' statement, far nicer than 'don't like it' or imilar annoying phrases... I don't think it is very exciting having a baby around for a toddler- they get told off for waking them up, being too rough, being too noisy, not giving them any space.... My friend says her toddler is already getting bored of waiting for his 5 month old brother to get big enough to play with him (he's 3 soon)!!!!

Looking forward to DD's diarrhoea getting better, and DH has indeed given her his man flu. The poor kid... She all skinny now, and still not eating much. Still, if she sleeps all night again I'll be happy ;-) She's so bunged up it might be a bit of an ask though...

maybe I had bad information and the MN app doesn't exist for Android??? I can't believe I have a smart phone, I can barely use it!! I wanted a book on twin pg, as I know both babies grow at the rate of a singleton up to a certain point then slow down, and their average weight at full term (37 weeks for twins) is 5.5 or 5.8lb which I read somewhere (TAMBA maybe) but I would love it if there was a twin app somewhere! I doubt it- I looked online and in a few bookshops to see if there was anything like that but I can't find anything... I did buy a book written by an American obstetrician- so bound to drive me mad- but its all words and no pictures so I've not had time to scour it yet!!

aw i remember when DS had a puky/sore throat virus thing and wouldn't eat properly for weeks. his wee trousers and nappies were getting loose and when i look back at photos he looks soo pale. was awfully glad to be Bf him then. :( hope she's back and bouncing around soon. man flu as well sounds awful!

he hasn't refused to eat any denicious food yet but has had a few only half hearted attempts! it is accompanied by a big grin, i guess we laughed so much the first time he said it that he's keeping us entertained. :)

he struggled a bit with food on holiday as he was out of his wee routine and a bit suspicious of eating out all the time. he's been eating so much better since we got back.

i think i will give the Facebook puke updates a miss, i like to be a low key pg lady! i don't really talk about it too much unless people ask. some people in other departments at work didn't notice i was pg till about a month before i went on leave. i was huge as well so they must have thought i was just really fat!

oh - any food he doesn't want gets told 'bye bye' and we are ordered to 'take it way'! bossy boots.

jaggy - dd tells me all done when she's finished and hands me her plate. If it's not too her liking she does the same - 'all done' - err no dd it's not...

I also shy away from too many pg updates on fb. Some people overdo it.

at 'all done'!

wee monkeys. :)

Mmmm, DS does this 'all finished' business when he wants his pudding . We have a lot of 'if you're not hungry enough for your dinner, you're not hungry enough for pudding' conversations.

My dd is too little for chat but she'll swipe it away and sign all done frantically having not even tasted it. like tonight. Sigh...

aw poor DD dream hope she's still settled.

biscuits mine will also remarkably find room for yoghurt, or something he fancies off my plate after pushing away his tea!

tonight my imaginary fb status reads 'no bedtime puke, yay!'.

night night.

Loving the imaginary FB status updates jaggy. I too have not even mentioned being pregnant on FB, sadly I know too many people who've had either fertility problems or miscarriages and there's no way I'm going to be labelled as one of them annoying FB friends when I've been in their position myself.

Good news update. My brand new doppler arrived this morning and this time it is definitely brand new. Even better than that, it actually works. Took about 5 minutes of sliding it around but I definitely found the baby's heartbeat. It must be having a good old swim round in there because one minute it was in one place and then next it was somewhere else

I'm going to a wedding reception this evening and I've had phone calls from several people casually asking if I'll be driving. Pregnancy = taxi service don'tcha know? I don't think they'll be wanting to come home when I do though, I can see me being tucked up in bed for 11pm!

Hi preggos, sorry for the radio silence. It's been a hectic couple of days, i got home at midnight on Thurs and 1am last night waaaaaay past my bedtime! I had a nice time (both bday celebrations, a good friend on thurs and my sister's 15th yday) but I'm utterly exhausted!

I'm sorry to hear Scarlet had such a rubbish time with Amazon - how outrageous to sell you something secondhand without warning you?!?! What if it'd been in better condition and you hadn't noticed?! That almost seems like fraud! I guess I must have got the very last one before you ordered then, because mine came yday and it's great. It was fully cellophane wrapped (phew!) and when I opened it up it worked beautifully. I was surprised how obvious the difference was between my heartbeat and LO's. I could hear the difference when the mw did it but I thought I'd struggle a bit on my own - not at all though. In fact I was a bit teary when i got home last night (just overtired) and finding the Doppler and listening to the heartbeat really cheered me up!

Glad to hear Dream's DD is doing better, although I hope this new flu passes soon! Also good luck to all the upcoming scans! My 16 week one is on the 12th nov and it's taking SO LONG to get there! At the moment it feels like time is moving painfully slowly, but I think it's just because I hate being pg even more than I expected to! I'm desperately grateful to be expecting a child, and I feel incredibly lucky not to have had any complications so far, but I HATE the day-to-day reality of being pg and I just want to feel human again! (Sorry for the negativity on such a positive thread, I'm just tired and grumbly).

oh yes, last time around my boss thought I'd take my car to this all day team day thing and drive a load of drunk workmates home after a meal. i took my own car and buggered off before the meal. cheek!

scream, I'm with you. I've never understood women who adored being pregnant- I always think they clearly don't know what there is to worry about plus they must be having one hell of an easy ride!!! It is a time to be endured for the reward (or rewards in my case!) at the end. I find it a time of worry, and illness, and pain as last time I moved pretty seamlessly from morning sickness to bad heartburn and reflux which reliably had me up for an hour or two each night (exhausting before work then), to bad rib pain and hip pain. I was hoping the rib pain, which really got me down last tie as I couldn't get comfy to rest at all, wouldn't be so bad as I'm not as fit as I was before DD, so I was hoping maybe less muscle tone/fitness might = less rib pain. However, with the enormity that seems inevitable with 2 I think I'll struggle again.

I started reading my twins pg book that arrived but I hadn't had time to read- and only worried myself! It is written by an American obsetrician who specialises in multiple pregnancy and had twins herself (so not same care as UK but I wanted the eating/what to expect/what to look out for and that must be the same!). It says I should gain a minimum of 40-50lb, and a normal weight woman should be gaining at least 1.5lb per week after 20 weeks for best chance of healthy birthweight twins from her research and studies published . Seeing as I'm still not at pre-pg weight, I'll either expand enormously or worry myself about why I'm not and whether it really will put me at more risk of pre-term delivery... Maybe I just shouldn't continue reading it!!!

scarlet hooray for your doppler!! Very good for getting the heartbeat. Did you find yours then look for the faster one, or was it very clear it wasn't yours?

Love the taxi bit scarlet, so unexpected I'm sure... When we stayed with my dad while our new floor went down DH came for fri and sat night and we went out with some friends still in my hometown, for the first time since DD's birth. DH actually started discussing why he thought he should be the one to drink!!! Err, did you forget something dear?! I'm knocked up, so no boozing for me?! I have been pg or bf or both since Dec 2009 so haven't had a drink since then . I do like the feeling of getting a bit merry rather than the taste particularly, so have just slipped into tee-total somehow. This WILL be rectified after these twins, at some point!!!!

Speaking of which, jaggy, have you totally stopped bf now? It's killing me, but I'm making myself do one feed a day due to DD not eating, but I'm desperate to stop now....

Hi all, I am also planning to be low key on FB when I decide to tell other people! We are telling DHs family and my dad tomorrow! We had a good day at the baby show yesterday. Not too crowded and I got a few bits and pieces with a few freebies thrown in. Great for comparing brands of pushchairs because you can push, pull, fold and take them apart! We were there for about 6 hours.
2weeks to my scan now!

"a time of worry, illness and pain" - Dream that is actually a perfect description of pregnancy! It's a necessary evil unfortunately, but hopefully once we all have our cute squishy babies this period will fade into insignificance! I'm def v envious that you get two babies for the price of one pg! Nicely done

I'm on my way to the baby show at the moment, hope we find it as useful as Wants did!

been meaning to chat to you about it for ages dream! yeah we've stopped now. i was kind of disappointed to push DS into it, but he really stopped by himself. he asks about mummy milk every week or two, but hasn't even tried to latch on for a week or so. that was just because i was sleeping with a vest on and he spotted some boob in the morning! he was a bit curious yesterday as we saw his friend's new baby sister feeding, but not too bothered.

I think i also quite liked it for when he wasn't well though, when he had that virus he had no solids for a few days and his nappies went almost like when he was a wee baby! was also quite handy after a tantrum - he liked to cuddle in for a feed and calm down when he was in the huff. :)

i can understand you wanting to stop if it's uncomfortable and driving you nuts though!

don't know if it would work with your DD being younger, but i gave DS cuddles and stories at the time of his big feed that i dropped and he loved it.

good luck!

scream sounds like you've had a very busy couple of days, hope you're getting some rest this weekend. Good to hear you had no problems with your doppler and it's working well. I think you must have ordered the last one, it did say low stock when I put my order through. All sorted now though.

dream Yes, I found my heartbeat instantly and then I was able to find the placenta and then the baby

jaggy I've agreed to pick up some others on the way there but have made it clear they're not to rely on me to get home. I'm not hanging around to the bitter end just to give people a lift, they can pay for a taxi.

Wants I'm so jealous that you've been to the Baby Show. I'd love to go there, not that I'll be buying much new stuff this time.

I'm afraid I was one of those women who adored being pg when I was having DS. I honestly did not have one nasty symptom, I absolutely loved every day of it. My skin was great and my hair was thick and glossy. (I paid for it during the labour, birth and the newborn stage though). Completely different this time. Nausea, knackeredness, paranoia and anxiety. This time it's means to an end for sure.

I'm sad to be so desperate to stop bf jaggy, but it's toe-curling painful now, though DD has a lovely snuggle and has stopped biting me (fingers crossed). It's a shame, and I did grit my teeth and up it and feed her at bedtime when she was really ill, and in the night sometimes in desperation, but now I want to stop asap. Maybe once her squits are better...

Gah, we're just jealous you bloomed scarlet! Seriously?! No aches and pains? No pelvic pain, hip pain, rib pain, reflux??? I also suffered big time with my labour and birth and surgery and anaemia so I don't even think the hard pg easy birth is true!!! I also found it hard to give up things like running and mountain biking. I scared myself nearly coming over the handlebars on a steep downhill at 22 weeks and stuck to forestry tracks after that, but even so, my Braxton Hicks got so severe I had to stop biking altogether- even road biking- at 27 weeks . When I went in after my waters broke to be checked they put the monitor on and spent a good while debating whether I was in labour due to the strength of my B-H, and took me ages to convince them they'd been that bad, if not aybe quite so regular, for weeks of not months, it definitely wasn't labour!! I think it was still more 30 hours rather than me that convinced them it wasn't

Sorry dream to disappoint. There was honestly nothing bad about my previous pregnancy.

Can't believe I forgot to mention! I have felt a few early flickers the last couple of days. As soon as I felt it I knew what it was, whereas last time I was a bit "ooh is it/isn't it?" for the first couple of weeks. Exciting stuff.

I think I have too :-) not 100% sure. But when I was in bed last night and this morning I thought I felt some first little movements.

And scream, much as I'm delighted with twins, just think of all the things you can do with your little one- baby massage, parent and baby swimming, only one to deal with in fractious times, teething, nights for one etc etc. I'm very glad I had dd first. We've done everything together and it was hard enough with one. Still is, especially now I'm having sleep battles again- I'm back on in her room, sitting in the dark singing in desperation and using mn to distract me!!!

Awww it is so lovely that you're feeling movements Dream and Scarlet [hsmile]

Although I do feel a bit [henvy] - still nothing here. [hsad]

Still, maybe it'll come, or maybe it will be an anterior placenta - we will see in less than 2 weeks.

Dream did you say you had AP with dd? What did that mean for your pg? Could you feel movements later on? Was it harder to keep a track of any pattern?

No trick or treaters yet - am tucking into the chocs while waiting for takeaway curry. This is bad right? [hblush]

Yes biscuits, completely anterior placenta with DD. No lack of movements once they started, but I had hardly any before my 20 week scan- I wasn't even sure I'd felt any at all, and then they started being more obvious 21 weeks ish, and from there, loads!!! I loved it when the sonographer said 'oh, you won't have felt much so far then!' as Everyone but everyone had been asking if it was nice feeling the baby move.... Everyone could touch my tummy and feel her hiccuping etc too once I got to about 30 weeks (sure other people could feel movements from outside way sooner too, just not sure when) and she got the hiccups all the time. Did as a newborn and still does now! She was super wriggly and it made no differnce once she was a little bigger. If I didnt feel movements for 30 min in the day I'd get nervous, definitely didn't affect me knowing what the monkey was up to! It's only if your placenta is low-lying that it can block the cervix and possibly cause the need for a section. Not the same as anterior, and as your womb grows it generally moves up even if it was pretty low, as mine did. I know one of my placenta's (placentae??) is posterior this time, don't know where the other one is. I think I felt twin 1 move, don't think I've felt twin 2- if I've got it right from my scans where they each are anyway!

We've got takeaway curry coming too Looking forward to it, but feeling guilty, as I have eaten a mars bar and crisps already, and have Rocky Road for dessert- hardly healthy eating... I should be making the most of good days to get healthy food in, I know...

I am really really grumpy that fireworks going off woke DD up. I spent bloody ages getting her o sleep, and, ahem, gave up and rocked her to sleep on me in the end (the words Rod and Back spring to mind, but she does have a cough, cold and baby squits still- plausible excuse?!). Can someone please tell me this going to sleep will improve again without drastic action??? I never used to have to rock her/sit with her/sing to her, this is a step in the wrong direction..... Or do I need to quit all the above right now???

Also, I'm guessing I shoud stop taking my folic acid and multivitamin supplement now, as the consultant prescribed high dose folic acid for me, so I'm on 5mg a day (sounds HUGE compared to the mere 400micrograms in the pregnancy supplements...)??? I should get off my bum and ask DH, not sure if he'd know as he doesn't know anything about twin pregnancy really! I might buy a normal multivitamin supplement- not like there's much in crisps and chocolate and take away curry to grow these babies!!!

I'm a little sad as we realised as you have to have a parent per child under 3 we won't even be able to go swimming as a family once the twins are born... Must make an effort to get these kids in the water somehow... I still don't dare believe there will really, actually be 2 babies yet. Even though I had the scan last week I'm still nervous, and seeing 'High Risk' all over my medical and green notes doesn't help...

and scarlet, i'm going to remember you in future whenever I'm spouting about how rubbish pregnancy is!!!

Also, if anyone has or buys a maternity coat which is wrap around not zipped or buttoned all down the front, let me know what and from where! We went to Kendal today- they also stock no maternity ranges in store and I definitely am allowed to buy coat!!

sorry for super long post...

So looking forward to those first movements but know I have a while to wait yet! Talking of apps ( several pages back) I have pregnancy sprout on my iPad. It has really detailed pictures of each week with info about that stage the boys like to look at it on a Tuesday ( beginning of my new week). It also has info and tips, appointment calendar and questions to ask. I just got the free one but I think the paid one has more features. I also have baby centre, it's nice to open up my iPad and have a little message about my baby waiting for me :)

Ah that's good about the placenta thanks Dream. I guess it makes sense that at the mo, the baby isn't probably that much bigger than the placenta whereas later on their arms and legs would extend beyond the placenta and therefore be more pokey?

Will see what they say - it may not be anterior even?

It's a good point about the swimming thing Dream. I have some friends who have a friend who used to be in their swimming class with her first dd and then went on to get pg with twins so will find out if they know what she does. I presume no rellies live close enough to help like that on a regular basis?

Will dd be jn any kind of childcare for any of the time once the twins arrive? I know you might not have thought of that yet, but that would at least perhaps provide you with an opportunity if you could find a willing volunteer to help when you just has the twins?

Would any of the twins thread people have any tips?

From my point of view on the swimming I'm more wondering about how to take DS swimming. I can take dc2 when DS is at nursery but not sure how what I could do with dc2 when I want to take DS...

Of course that is considerably more manageable than your predicament.

Hmm....

Will think it over with my curry.....

Ooh, Dream DH just had an idea about the swimming. We go to the Virgin Active gym near us and they have a crèche 7 days a week, you could perhaps do something like that? I guess swimming as a complete family is out until you either have a helper or dd is a bit older?