We are all jolly well going to have a perfectly uneventful pregnancy and pain free birth and will brook no argument at all

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In a moment bravery here is the anti-natal thread for all those continuing to Brook No Argument into pregnancy and beyond.

So raise your fists to the sky and sing loud for there is no turning back now! We shall all stand firm and prevail with joy in our hearts as all our pregnancies will be simply blooming perfect!

Hurrah! and more Hurrah! :o

farfalla I just know you're going to join this thread in an official capacity in the next few days. When are you testing?

Scream sorry I can't advise you about the bump on either side. Are you bonkers? completely sure? Stop torturing yourself woman. There is no reason for you to be thinking your pregnancy is ectopic. You've had no bleeding and no terrible pains in that area. Try and chill.

Sorry, I don't mean to make light of your concerns (you know how bad I am for looking for problems) but I really think that this "bump" is anything to worry about. You said yourself you really had to look for it and there's so much going on in that area at the moment anyway, things will be changing.

As for the scan. I would strongly recommend waiting for as close to 8 weeks as possible. Once you've reached 8 weeks and a heartbeat is detected, your chances of anything going wrong decrease dramatically. If you were to have your scan early it might well show that there is no heartbeat as yet and then you will be in a panic and then forking out another £100 at 8 weeks. 8 weeks is such a milestone and progress can vary up until that point. I say this as the voice of experience

Meant to say I really don't think that this "bump" is anything to worry about.

Scream, at 6 weeks you 100% can't feel your womb, it is still deep in your pelvis. As it grows, it pushes other stuff up first before it comes over brim of pelvis after first trimester. You're probably feeling something entirely different... You'd have to get a maternity type TENS. I used one in labour. I don't think a non-maternity is suitable though.

Was DD's first birthday today. I cannot believe she's one!!! She had a lovely day, was surprisingly way more interested in her presents than the paper and ate shed loads of cake, and was too excited to sleep. She has a party for her pint-sized friends tomorrow, so more cake for her (and she went to a party yesterday and ate cake- can I actually over-dose my newly-one-year-old on cake?! lol)

I have only been sick twice today. However, I have been a supreme cow, both to my mum and DH. Now, can I blame that on pg? I'm not sure. A sneaking suspicion tells me I am just Not Very Nice... hopefully temporarily...

Love the coats biscuits, the JoJo one is my favourite. However, I doubt I'll be allowed to buy one. Or much else for that matter. I had a root through my mat clothes, as they have been out again to my step sister since i used them. I'm totally sure they have not all come back, and that mostly the most rubbish are back (but can't remember exactly what I lent out), and a few of the things that have come back were never mine (Long length black work trousers? Far too formal for me, I wear combats!). Dilemma.... Step sister takes things very personally, and i do not want any rage... Haven't seen her in about 9 months either, normally communicate on fb or through her mum). She lives about 50 miles from me. her LO is 8 months now. Surely she doesn't still need them?!

I'd also like to say I'm 8 weeks. I could have an early scan RIGHT NOW if dh hadn't put his foot down and kept his wallet shut....

And also, we've got some pate in the fridge. There's very little I can eat or fancy but I could murder some of that. Who'd eat it? Any confessions? It's only opened yestrday, yummy, fresh, and who EVER got poisoned from pate???? i'm sooooo tempted.... Our parents all ate all this stuff without a second thought... But now i've thought it, i don't think i can eat it. maybe. hmm.

Aw happy 1st birthday to your DD dream. Great that she's had a lovely day today and his having a party tomorrow. How will you cope without being able to have though? Childrens parties always include wine for the adults in my experience. It is needed.

Just call your step sister and tell her you'll be needing all of the clothes you lent her and that you'll be happy to pass them back to her when she needs them again.

I'm having a very crampy day today. Not had this for a couple of weeks so feeling a little on edge. Really does feel like AFs about to start which is very worrying. DH says I'm being ridiculous. Which helps, obviously...

Can you not put your foot down dream and insist on a scan? Say you're happy to forgo your next birthday present or something?

Step away from the pate......

dream I kind of agree with scarlet about the scan. If my dp had even suggested I shouldn't have one because I was just being neurotic I would of told to go screw himself in no uncertain terms. He can decide what scans are appropriate at about the same time he starts carrying the child.

At the early stages of pregnancy I really think it is very different for most fathers, it just isn't as real for them at that stage as it is for the mother. For them it is just something they have been told about and know theoretically exists but for you it is there inside and already a part of you. For this reason it is far harder emotionally for the mother in those first couple of months before the 12 week scan then most fathers realise and can appreciate. If you feel you need a scan and it would make you feel better and less stressed then he should try and understand that and get you one if at all possible.

But then I have to say I didn't even ask my dp, I just told him I was having one and booked it. Though I did pay for it out of my savings so he couldn't really argue even if he had dared :o

Sorry for the rant! I just feel upset on your behalf as I know what a difference it made to me having the early scan.

Ooo... I thought the not eating pate was to do with vitamin A because it has liver in it rather then risk of food poisoning. Though i might have just made this up as I get terribly confused by all the bizarre food rules.

oh, is it the liver part of it? Bah! The Rules are confusing. A midwife nearly had a flip when I said I'd been eating crudites dipped in yummy melted soft camembert cheese (we were talking about my recent holiday in France, skiing and got onto food and what i'd managed to eat amoung the puking, i wasn't trying to wind her up on purpose). Banging on about listeria. When actually, it had been cooked in an oven to well over the 60 degrees needed to nuke any bugs and on the Food Standards Agency websire it specifically says pg women can eat cooked soft cheese. I had to point this out gently for the mw's blood pressure!

I'll think about it, but bringing up the scan again will only cause an argument, and i'm not so far off the 12 week one. i guess... I know what you mean, I could pay for it from my own money, but I think in things about our child we should be in some sort of agreement. It would definitely stop me finally getting rid of the carpet in our kitchen (what a stupid plan) as DH would be so cross he'd refuse to cough up the vast amounts needed to level said floor (hence the carpet) and lay something half sensible. I know it!!! He is not keen on the money spending. i know thats sensible but oh so scroogy

Hello, the vit A is supposed to make your bones crumble, (well weakens your pelvis) I want pate now though :(

This is the duffle I liked I fancy it is a bit longer than the jjmb?
I am hoping I won't need a coat, but I think I will, and I would rather buy early than a) get too big, realise I need a coat, and only have 2 months wear out of it. B) Need a coat and not be able to get one as they are sold out. Honestly what to do? With DD had a swing coat that I used, although I was quite small and was due in May so didn't need one for that last few weeks when I got MASSIVE.

Dream It is so hard to wait for 12 weeks, but if you are already at 8 weeks then you are almost there. Still :( for you

Scream when I think I can feel my womb, it is more to one side. It is all quite squishy those innards and they have to fight for space! Well done in your exams and I hope you feel better soon.

On another note I am beyond pissed off with the morning sickness, honestly the door can smack its arse on the way out, when it bloody goes! I feel nauseous all the time and today I have been starving, but most things I can't eat as I have an aversion, the things I did eat didn't touch the sides and I can't cook at all or I will be sick.
My teeth are going to rot out of my head due to inadequate brushing and in the evening I get a lovely dose of bloody heartburn!!!

Farfalla I don't think you need to test it is obvious you are pregnant, welcome :)

ANOTHER RANT
Good lord, I am frightening the life out of myself on Which? where i have just paid for the trial, to try to find a suitable rear facing group 1 car seat to go in with a seatbelt for when my parents look after DD. The one I'd been considering that we put in our car at the shop and decided against has got a Don't Buy award!!!! Well, I won't and thank goodness I didn't, and thank goodness her 'real' seat has the only Best Buy in its category. But it's all scary, and they haven't reviewed it's belted version, so I am none the wiser as to whether I can safely fit it if I buy it... And argh!!!!! Car seats are a nightmare. And her baby seat, which was going to be used for this baby, has excellent front impact protection but barely adequate side impact protection. New baby seat too it seems.... I don' t suppose anyone has a belted BeSafe iZi Combi x3 and can tell me what fitting's like?!?!?! That would be too good to be true....

Still, at least I am not stressing about anything pg related. For a change.

And purple, a deserved rant. I went postal on dh for not dropping everything to go and get me a Subway, which was all I fancied before. I also don't fancy hardly anything, can't face cooking etc etc. Finally settled on reasonably healthy poached eggs, lots of mayo and avocado on toast. Wierd but nice. Though if i thought about what i was eating i was already gagging. Sigh.

dream i think the pâte avoidance is for both reasons, liver in meaty ones, but also possible bugs as all pâte is included even veg stuff.

i am only avoiding: alcohol, pâte, liver, inappropriate cheeses, raw meat, fish,or shellfish and dubiously washed salads. think that's it.

i don't like liver except in pâte anyway and can't stand blue cheese so not missing too much.

today i am fed up of pooing. i think by eating more I've em, increased my throughput. sorry for tmi. I've had 2 breakfasts every day this week. well i was working at 6 am.

what a shame jaggy. If it was just the bugs I'd eat it, but i don't want to overdose this baby on vit A and risk poisoning it... On the basis I need some protein to grow this child and there's very little else I fancy, a bug risk may have been acceptable. I am seriously living on buttered toast. Sometimes 3 times a day. As one of the only things I can stomach.

I was fed up of pooing, but my upset tummy has finally settled, yay!!! But still, I sympathise with you from recent sore-bottom experience. I could also have poohed through the eye of a needle last week...TMI, sorry!!

Dreamfeeder it is so tough, when I was looking for group 1 seat I would have loved RF, but my seat has to go in so many different cars, that I went for the maxi cosi tobi as it the most universal, group 1. I do feel guilty as it is not as safe but what else could I do?

My conundrum at the moment is do I buy another cotbed for new baby, or buy Dd a toddler bed, and give the baby Dd's cotbed.
DD is two, but she isn't always the best at going to bed and the sides keeping her in are very convenient for when she is protesting. She is also one of those kids that like to sleep in bizarre ways, that means the bars are the only thing keeping her in the bed. And I would worry that she would be upset if the new baby was sleeping in her bed IYKWIM

I forgot to mention in my RANT that I am now 14 weeks, and MS is supposed to have effed off by now and my really starving is due to not eating properly for weeks, and to top it off I am still putting on weight and looking weeblish. (But not Pregnant)

Jaggy I would love to be pooing a bit more often, it is a good thing and two breakfasts sounds excellent, Dd would agree as she usually has at least three courses for brekkers and she loves it :)

Ha, well, we have a mini and a focus and thought we were only buying for one car. however, my dad has a stupid Chevrolet thing, and my mum a mazda mx5 (or borrow her dh's fiesta sometimes). Now that has stuck a grubby big spanner in the car seat works. Mum could get the fiesta an isofix adapter kit and use our seat but my dad can't. Hence my stress. She is NOT going forward facing as she may think its better and refuse to rear face in our car. I'm stuck. Back at work in 5 weeks. 5 weeks to find a solution.... They are sharing child care one day a week, and i'd hate to be stuck in all day in a rainy winter with a walking child not able to access any groups or activities... Am wondering about the Maxi Cosi Mobi, the RF version of the Tobi but not reviewed on Which? and the problem is the Britax Multi-tech got a Don't Buy for such complicated fitting you were at risk of it being in incorrectly and therefore it being very unsafe. Plus rubbish side impact protection in it. Anyway, wrong thread for this, maybe I should start one. Not that I know how,...

and purple, despite my normal (when not pg) high fruit and veg i normally wish i pooed more...

Morning everyone,

Sorry to hear you are still feeling so awful Purple - hope that MS buggers off soon. Maybe it needs a blooming good talking to like you musty have given to AF last tie she visited?

Dream I know nothing about RF group 1 car seats (I couldn't work out where their legs go - maybe I should have looked into it a bit more ) but MN has some reviews on car seats from 9 mths here. Not sure if any of those are RF? They aren't professional reviews but might help a bit?

The thing we have always done with DS's car seats is to go to a local specialist. Mothercare frightened me when they seem so clueless about the different car seats whereas this place really seemed to know their stuff. And they are always happy to adjust them for us and to check the fit (both how it is in the car if I'm worried, or how DS is still fitting in it). Proper good local service. They are just a little shop on a local industrial estate but the staff were super knowledgeable and have always provided excellent service. I can let you know who they are if you're anywhere near the East Midlands but if not it might be worth seeing if there is something similar locally? In the case of the one near us they are Britax specialist fitters or something so it could be worth phoning the manufacturers (Britax / Maxi Cosi) to see if they can recommend anyone in your local area? Don't know if that would work?

Morning all!

Purple I'm so sorry to hear MS is hanging around for you at the mo. I'm sure it'll be gone soon and you can give it a swift kick to the rear on its way out!

Dream I find car seats so confusing! Everything you've said so far is stuff I'm worried about too! I really have no idea what we're going to choose in the end. If you do end up starting a new thread on this please let us know, I'd definitely like to see the responses you get! Sounds like the Which trial has been really useful for you, would you recommend it?

Jaggy you've said you're avoiding fish and shellfish? How come? Fish is my FAVOURITE food in the world, so I've read those rules upside down and back-to-front from fifteen different sources, to see how much fish I can get away with! I'm gutted about the restriction on oily fish, and I'm having to keep a tally on my kitchen board each week to make sure I don't go over my two portions. However for non-oily fish you can eat as much as you like, and you can also eat cooked shellfish freely as well. Non-oily fish and shellfish is the same as meat - it's fine to eat so long as it's fully cooked.

Thanks for the support re the bump stress-out, especially Purple. If it's not my actual womb I'm feeling then it must just be something my womb is pushing into an odd position. By the way I don't mean that this bump is poking out visibly or anything, I'm not expecting that at 6+6! I mean that when I press on the area just above my pubic bone, there is resistance inside in only one place, and my DH can feel it too. I'm just going to hang on for my scan this time next week, and hopefully the sono guy can tell me exactly what the bump is. I'm not freaking out about ectopics anymore though, I'm going to keep on BROOKING NO ARGUMENT and not stress unless bad symptoms pop up.

I hope you ladies have fun-filled stuff planned this weekend? My DH is at work today (boo!) so I will be stuck watching trashy tv all day and resisting the urge to order in fast food later! I bought the ingredients for a yummy super-moist chocolate fudge cake earlier this week though, and as soon as I can walk around normally again (hopefully early next week) I will be baking up a storm! Nom nom nom! Strangely chocolate, cake, and cookies are the only things that don't make me throw up... ahem.

I think I know the shop you're talking about Biscuits and if I'm right it is the same one I've always been to for my baby gear as well.

I feel terrible today. I was up for 3 wees in the night, I've had nausea all morning and my cold will still not shift. DH got up early with DS and I had a lie in (ha) until 9am. But now I feel guilty because MIL has been round this morning saying how tired and ill DH looks and she's never seen him look so bad .

Oh Scarlet you poor thing!! And never mind if DH looks a bit tired - you're growing a baby - you need your rest! I do know what you mean though - my DH is v tired at the moment and working super hard and he really needs lie ins and rest, but just because he is tired doesn't mean I'm not! But I do feel guilty if he is up with DS . I console myself with the fact that he doesn't see him so much in the week (sometimes hardly at all) so it is good for them to spend the time together.

I do hope your DH isn't really poorly though Scarlet. Does your MIL know you're updiffed?

And anyway, the important thing is if you think DH looks tired and ill - you know him well too (probably better than MIL on a day to day basis I'm guessing). Don't let her guilt you! You could always both have a rest / nap if DS does?

Scream hope your back gets better soon too because I want you to make that yummy chocolate fudge cake and share it with us

Hope you both all feel better soon :)

sorry scream my post was just badly punctuated, I'm only avoiding them if raw or undercooked. no tuna carpaccio for me! (sorry if spelled wrong)

No Biscuits MIL doesn't know and we're intending to keep it that way for a few weeks longer.

DH only has himself to blame really. He comes to bed far too late and is also one of these people who cannot sit still. He has to be on the go all the time so never really relaxes. It doesn't help that he's out for nearly 12 hours every week day when he really should only be out for 10 (unpaid overtime, stressful job and very conscientious). I like the fact that he's ambitious and career orientated as it allows me to be a sahm which is what I always wanted for our family. Obviously his work does take priority much of the time as it does for a lot of people, but sometimes I wish he'd give himself a break. It would mean that I get one more often then too.

Very selfish of me to say it like that, but that's how I feel at the moment. When I was pg with DS, feeling rough and working full time myself I didn't worry if we didn't have an evening meal. I just left DH to sort himself out. But it's somehow different now I'm at home all day. There's sort of an unspoken agreement that I will provide a home cooked meal every night regardess of how I'm feeling or whether I want it or not. He'd never admit it if I asked him but I can read him like a book.

Enough about me! Is anyone doing anything nice this weekend?