We are all jolly well going to have a perfectly uneventful pregnancy and pain free birth and will brook no argument at all

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In a moment bravery here is the anti-natal thread for all those continuing to Brook No Argument into pregnancy and beyond.

So raise your fists to the sky and sing loud for there is no turning back now! We shall all stand firm and prevail with joy in our hearts as all our pregnancies will be simply blooming perfect!

Hurrah! and more Hurrah! :o

Oh god, good point Jaggy on the 'helpful' comments about what should happen! My mum was the worse for this and her 4 hourly routines and should be sleeping through the night by 6 weeks - Gah drove me mad! Only now do I know I shouldn't have listened!

dream you will be puking in the morning and wondering why you got in a flap tonight. Honestly you and babydream are absolutely fine. I agree though that's it really hard not to panic when you've had previous pregnancies. I know you're comparing to when you were pg with your DD, but you really can't compare. No two pregnancies are the same.

I've been cold one minute and boiling hot the next. Hope I'm not coming down with DS's very annoying chesty cough. I feel as though I might be.

Also had plenty of fruit. I also remember my midwife telling me chocolate is part of your 5 a day while you're pg. Guilt free chocolate, fab.

Thanks for the advice Jaggy - DH's family currently has about 5 little kiddies under the age of 2, and his aunts/cousins are all very fond of dishing out advice. I imagine I will need to hone my ignoring skills to a fine point.

I suspect that I will be doing things very differently to his family as well, they're all very earth mother types! So that should add a nice extra dimension to the friction. Fun fun fun. They all mean well though, they just don't really understand the concept of having a different opinion to their own, and this being a perfectly reasonable choice as opposed to "a mistake"!

Do you think DH would let you have an early scan?

Come and push DD in mine scream! You can try the loola too to feel the difference If it's only decent paths (the common will be decent paths I'm sure), a 'city' type pushchair'll be perfect. My city mini manages absolutley fine. And you can always send squeak in a carrier with daddy on a walk with his relatives!

As a fellow person with a bad back, I find its the lifting pushchair into boot/ folding it/storing it thats harder than putting the baby in. Once they can, they'll climb in themselves too (not my DD yet of course, but you're not having to think about lifting a bigger child in,as far as I can see from what my friends do- my best friend has a nearly 3 year old so I hang out with her and her friends plus toddlers a lot). Lightweight is great for me. I have pushed children in the Phil and Teds, a Baby Weavers equivalent, a Maclaren techno (i think that was it anyway) and am still happy with mine. The one hand fold is superb on baby jogger, so can take DD out, whack it in the boot/house fast, esp if its raining, but have to confess, bar the Loola, I can't speak for any others folding mechanisms.

If I could choose anything, money no object, I would either get same again or the Bugaboo... oooh, or a baby jogger city elite or select, ooh, the choice!!

Now, scream, if you think pushchairs is hard, try group 1 car seats... I fretted myself silly... AND went blinking rear facing fit-nothing-in-car-ever-again after watching the crash test videos. I actually WILL NOT fit 2 in my car with a stupidly tall DH. I either need to do yet more research for my next, or change the car...

So how would I know if this lack of symptoms is going to become a mc? Like how soon? I will be SO grateful if i'm sick tmw morning...

Oh, biscuits, the thought of an early scan is HEAVENLY right now! I might ask DH when he's in a good mood on hol. I'll be 8 weeks when we're back so could have it immediately...

and thanks scarlet, I am genuinely hoping for puking tomorrow morning now! Even if i have to be sick in bags all the way to St Andrews. I will be grateful. I promise.

Thanks for the advice and kind offer Dream. Also I'm sending big hugs your way for your super stressful evening. Sometimes I get totally overwhelmed with worry that something will go wrong or already has and I don't know it yet and I can only imagine how much harder it is to control that fear after a bad experience.

I'm trying to remind myself that until I actually know anything to the contrary, the best thing I can do for little Squeak is stay positive and just keep on going. Easier said than done! I'm sure you want to stay positive as well, so maybe we can prop each other up? Besides, we're Brooking No Argument on this issue, so any potential issues better stay well away from us if they know what's good for them!! We are all experienced rat smackers, and those bats can be put to many uses!!!

it really is going to be fine dream but you have to just think positive. Easier said than done, i know. I was gettng painful cramps yesterday which really worried me, but i just thought what will be will be, positive thinking=positive pregnancy. Thats all we can do. ((hugs))

I also meant to say - I've had a very brief look online at car seats (while I was ttc, not since the confirmation - it's too real now!) and it just blew my mind!! Car seats look insanely complicated! DH likes car-type stuff though, and seeing as I have every intention of picking items like the pram, cot etc (that it will be mostly me using during mat leave!) I'm hoping to leave the car seat decision to him!

Right pushchairs, I have not found my perfect pushchair I found three...

My cameleon has been in storage for awhile as DD has got heavier and needed one out of the way. I loved it for when she was little and so did she, snuggly with the foot muff and bumper bar great for toys, fabulous shopping basket. I did feel a bit like a poser after awhile. Perfect for the little baby stage.

My daily use pushchairs now she is two are; the mountainbuggy for terrain, this is a three wheeler with air tyres and is easy to push and really light and we do a lot of walking in muddy places. Cons, not good around smaller shops and I like Dd to rear face, is good for large tesco shop as big basket.

My in town and if I go near a bus, pushchair is my Bee + which I adore! I hate the look of Maclarens so this is my 'Stroller' It is so light with Dd in, great for round teeny shops and good basket especially in rf mode. Crap on rough terrain although can cope with middling stuff.

Dream, I know how you feel we have all been there, but you need to brook no arguement. You are newly with baked bean and soon you will puking, have a spot outbreak, be constipated like the rest of us. I was a nervous wreck until I had my scan and then I felt so much better so please if you can spare the cash treat yourself. Your sanity is worth every penny, If you look further down the thread I think four of us had early scans quite close together if you would like to read?

Maxi cosi was the one we had car seat wise and a lot of my pals too. Goes on a lot of pushchairs and has a good rep.

Seriously try not to panic about this stuff - ask if anyone can recommend a knowledgeable place to ask questions. And take your time - no rush.

Dream sounds weird but hope you are poorly tomorrow if only to put your mind at ease a bit. We all know symptoms can go up and down (like house prices) but that doesn't stop us worrying . Even though I can barely fit in my trousers now I am still thinking there will be a prob (and that is after we saw a heartbeat at 8 weeks )

It must be hard having a DH who knows all the facts etc - scientificness must just take over the irrational emotional bit, which ironically gets cranked up for us when we're updiffed!

I had a hand-me-down baby car seat (and cot and pram and moses basket!) so recently have been my big purchases of my BeSafe car seat (the safest, but the larger car seat ever..) and pushchair. i'm glad I didn't look or i would probably have changed the baby seat we were given!! Bearing in mind i've now had my car's seat slashed to fit an isofix adaptor kit specifically to make the car seat I wanted fit...

Right. No flapping. It will be fine. I am fine, baby daydream/nightmare is fine. Positive thinking gives positive pregnancies. I'm Brooking No Argument.

oh, purple, mountainbuggy!! I forgot about that one- have you seen the new in-line tandem they're doing where the child at the back sits higher so they can see too?? Tempted! (pricey...) Looks really good though. And the Bee is what my step sister raves about. She lived in a tiny, tiny, tiny place and needed something small and lightweight and she's had it from her DS's birth.

And thank goodness, spots I do have. Neck spots though, wierdly. Hopefully I will have normal symptoms tmw. And thats just it, DH is factual and scientific and will say '85% chance it'll be fine as you won't have an ectopic as you've never had an STI and have no issues with your fallopian tubes' and expect me to say oh thanks, i'll sleep easy now!

and jaggy, I would love to bump into you on the beach, it'd be karma! DD will be finger-clinging (though she did a lot more independent walking today), excited and doing her anteater face (she's got a book on grassland animals with an anteater..) and chasing your DS, invading his personal space big time trying to join in and be his friend... we're staying near Lathones I think but do plan on beaching it soon. I have no idea how i'd explain to dh, or whether i'd dare mention 'that website'!!

mornin, just up for my 5 am wee. am actually a bit sore from yesterday's exercise so think I'll go back to bed today!

we had the maxi-cosi seat that everyone had - cabriofix. i really wanted isofix and liked clicking the seat back onto the base with no seat belt fiddling. i think if i had to get another i might have gone for the new pebble one as you can use the base for a group 1 seat too. not seen reviews though.

am jealous of your rf group 1 dream, i couldn't persuade DH on that! ended up with another maxi-cosi isofix. i did keep DS rf in his wee seat till he got too tall at about 13 mo though, much to DH's puzzlement.

DS would probably be the one running away in his wee nike trainers that grandparents bought him and he loves.

maybe a day trip to Perth... i saw a place online that does early scans for about £25 or something

Jaggy I'm wishing I'd joined you online earlier! I had to get up for my first night-time pee at 4.30 this morning! Sigh. I was then awake until about 6.30 / 7 because I'm useless at getting back to sleep after waking. It's particularly annoying because I couldn't get to sleep last night until after midnight, so overall I've had maybe 6 hours sleep, and not all in one chunk. It's like I already have a baby!!

Ah dream and jaggy you clearly have not yet perfected the art of staying half asleep while staggering to the toilet in the dark. I have got so used getting up in the night to pee now that I barely wake up :)

I am somewhat overwhelmed by all the buggy talk I must say. My basic buggy buying plans go something like this:

1. go on eBay
2. search for buggy in my area
3. wait for something cheap and vaguely ok looking to come up
4. buy it

I am suddenly thinking that maybe I should be putting a bit more effort into this. The one thing i would really like though is a parent facing option just so that when I am wandering down the road chatting to myself I don't look like a complete loon. I consider this to be one of the major perks of having a child and intend to take full advantage :o

At least one advantage of me and dp not driving is that we don't have to worry about car seats. My mum said she will get one for their car but I will be leaving that particular minefield to her I think.

dream I live next to a river and get to watch the fireman splashing about in their day glow yellow suits from my living room windows. It's super :o

yeah, hopefully I'll have perfected the weeing in a few months time :) i never did get back to sleep. if this continues I'll have to find something productive to do. exercise is good but I'm not doing it every day.

i don't want a fancy designer pram, just one that doesn't do the annoying stuff like bursting tyres. definitely love rear facing, nice to see DS and chat. i don't think i ever turned the mothercare one round! i find it weird not seeing him in the lightweight buggy.

feel a bit crampy and funny today, hope minijaggy2 is just having a busy day. oh wait - it was going to be Spike wasn't it!

Hello! Gosh, you lot have been chatty!

On the pram front, I have a totally unused Quinny Buzz in a beautiful turquoise blue. It has a pram bit (carrycot?) for newborns and a pushchair bit for when the baby gets a bit older and the car seat my SIL handed down fits onto it too (MaxiCosi car seat). It has 3 air-filled wheels because I live in the middle of nowhere and it needs to go on rough tracks and Edinburgh pavements, which are worse. I have 2 slings, too , a BabyBjorn (a hand-me-down) and a one-shoulder cross-body sling that DH liked the look of. Don't know how any of this actually works - I did learn how to detach the carrycot from the pram chassis and fold it and attach the car seat, but I have forgotten it all now. I didn't buy anything until about 30 weeks the last time, so don't worry about it for a while yet!

Hope everyone is feeling a bit calmer today. You are all definitely pregnant and nothing is going to go wrong for any of us! (Brooks No Argument). My symptoms seem to have settled at least for the day . That's a wibble emoticon, not a confused one! I have another scan on Tuesday and am strangely petrified that it will pick up something wrong, like that the baby hasn't grown, or something.

I can't resist looking at baby things. Part of me feels like im shouldnt 'tempt fate' but then i realise im not really a believer in that sort of stuff, its all science and whether i look at prams isnt going to affect how my little eggy grows. Am liking the silvercross surf in lime, she's bootiful.

PS symptoms, heartburn none (hooray), freezing coldness lots (had to go to bed at lunchtime to warm up!) weeing lots, cried twice- once at xfactor sad bastard and then cried in the street watching the east coast truckers take the special needs children for a day out in their trucks and honking horns and waving at the crowds, made me come over all emotional seeing their little faces looking so excited :) sniff

How is everyone else doing? I have vommiting envy, could do with a little vomit.

Wow, the thread has been busy! I think we are going to get a Bugaboo Chameleon like everyone else we know - I loved the iCandy Peach as liked the idea of being able to adapt it into a double buggy when we have a second, but it was so heavy I could hardly lift it! We go to the beach and for off road walks a lot so the Bugaboo seems a good choice.

Join the club Love, warning all the bits and pieces are very addictive, I have two sets of bases, i.e seat unit, shopping basket as I like a set to wash and for a change! Oh and don't bother with a parasol!

I have been looking at the stokke tripp trapp as I want one for DD and then if it is good get another for the baby. I have chicco someting that was ££s and wish I had got a tripp trapp from the start. I have also fancied a xplory so wondering whether the new baby is a valid reason to try one out...

Anyway, just a quick post as going for a walk will catch up with you all later :)

All of this pram talk is very exciting!

Can I just ask a quick question please? I'm only 5 weeks at the moment, but already my stomach seems huge! I was rubbing a cramp yesterday and I caught my DH staring in horror at the size of my belly! (Okay, he vigorously denies a look of horror but he definitely noticed an increase in size!). I'm not exactly petite at the best of times, and I'm used to bloating each month around AF, but now my stomach just seems huge! As if someone's pumped lots of air into it!

Despite being the queen of wishful thinking, even I am fully aware that this early on the swelling can't be the little bean. Did any of you ladies experience anything similar this early on? Is it just bloating do you think? To be honest I seem to be eating so much at the moment (the official portion sizes for the 5 a day are HUGE - it feels like I'm eating all day long even though I've completely cut back on all junk food) is it just me getting fatter as a result of too much food!?! Argh! Not sure what to do, at this rate I'll be needing maternity trousers by week 6!

Help? Is this just a simple case of stop eating so much?!

Scream I felt really bloated in those early weeks too. Then it seemed to calm down again but now at week 9-10 I'm having to pick outfits carefully to not show off the start of a bump! (but as this is no 2 I think I'll 'pop' sooner than before).