We are all jolly well going to have a perfectly uneventful pregnancy and pain free birth and will brook no argument at all

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In a moment bravery here is the anti-natal thread for all those continuing to Brook No Argument into pregnancy and beyond.

So raise your fists to the sky and sing loud for there is no turning back now! We shall all stand firm and prevail with joy in our hearts as all our pregnancies will be simply blooming perfect!

Hurrah! and more Hurrah! :o

Oh no dream not The Puking I'll be brooking no argument for you as well, hopefully it will make it go away if there's 2 of us doing it for you.

jaggy I have the same worries as you for my DS. He hates me holding babies. To the point where he cries and says "mummy no". I know he'll get used to it, he'll have to. I just hope it's not too hard for him.

Hello senior rat smackers :)
Am being brave and joining the thread and hoping i stay til april after getting my bfp on monday.

He hasn't seen me with a lot of babies, but I was looking after my friend's 10 month old for a few hours recently and he was actually ok with her getting more attention while he ran about.

He did once almost sit on her as he wanted to sit on my knee too! If he wants a story, he just picks up a book and reverses until he finds a knee to sit on... aim not always good and at toddler group things he sometimes sits down, then looks round as if to say "you're not my mum!".

Argh! Early scans can be bad?! Please provide details, Dream!

Jaggy - dd does the same and yesterday she did it to my friend's little boy. He looked shocked to say the least!

I've cheered up this afternoon, feeling a lot better (and pretending this isn't how The Puking started last time, with mornings only)

Nobody panic about scans!!!

I have no idea how evidence based it is. My friend first told me about it as she paid for a 4D scan then stresse at the guidance to not pay for any unneccessary scans. Some of the things it's linked to are just odd- like left-handedness, but some are premature birth, death at or around time of birth (!!!) delayed speech etc etc and I can only find a couple of links now.

I had multiple scans with DD as they couldn't visualise her spine (just her position), then thought she was single umbilical artery- cue growth scan booked etc etc, then found second artery (phew) so cancelled that, but long story, traumatic labour, and had 3 scans before birth too. She's fine (but feeding herself with her left hand!!). If the NHS think you need it, I'd have it and not think twice pomme. But I won't have extras, i wouldn't think the 'reassurance' worth it.

www.unhinderedliving.com/pultra.html

www.greenhealthwatch.com/newsstories/newslatest/latest0701/ultrasound-hurt.html

My friend had twins. Scanned a lot. One is left-handed (no family history) and has a few other funny things/issues. The other died at birth. She has 4 children. No others scanned much and all totally different. could be nothing to do with the scans but she wonders (how couldn't you?!)

and lol jaggy, i'm going to be very worried about how i'll look after 2!! Especially as DD will be under the age of reasoning with her. It looks blooming hard work with 2 (as if 1 isn't!!!). And I don't want DD to feel left out or sad about it. But i'm leaving worrying about that til I know DC 2 will be definitely arriving- like past the viability stage!!

and jaggy, i had a third degree tear last time, poor healing too, so I don't don't don't want to tear again but don't think i want to take them up on the cs offer...

Ok I admit I've spent the afternoon on Dr Google, but I've set myself into a panic BIG TIME.

My boobs have been hurting less and less the last few days. Today they have gone back to normal. As in pre-pregnancy normal. No tenderness, no tingling, no firmness just completely squidgy normal. Apparently that is a bad sign. I also have had AF type feeling in my uterus all afternoon.

This is exactly what happened in the run up to both of my MCs. I feel as if I am now waiting for the inevitable Is there anyone on this thread who have had their symptoms disappear and still gone on to be ok? I've had sore boobs from 3 weeks. I'm 5 weeks today.

Sorry for being negative. DH is working away today and tonight and I've got no one to ask in RL.

Oh Scarlet I'm sorry that I can't answer your question or be helpful in any practical way, but I just wanted to say that I'm sending big cyber hugs your way, and will be brooking no argument extra hard on your behalf! Don't let Dr Google get to you, he will always confirm your worst fears, even when there's actually nothing to be afraid of.

If there's anything I've learnt from the ttc thread it's that no two pregnancies are the same, and symptoms change constantly. Please try not to jump to any conclusions (if only it was that easy to stop!) step away from the Google, and maybe have a chat with someone in RL - even if it's not about this!

I hope someone more experienced will be along shortly to give you an answer to your question.

oh scarlet, I hope it means nothing. Every pregnancy is different. One of my mum's colleagues who was incredibly sick had a mc at 11 weeks. Symptoms do not mean you are safe! You were queasy and nauseaous the other day, and tired. What about those symptoms? I hope it doesn't mean a mc. My boobs changed as to tenderness all the time through my last pregnancy from super sore to nothing. The day before yest, I didn't wee any extra, didn't wee in the night, and had no symptoms at all. 2 days later, The Puking has begun. I will cross everything for you. Our bodies do trick us...

Keep us posted!

Try not to worry, Scarlet - I started this thread - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/pregnancy/1257922-Breasts-less-sore-at-four-and-a-half-weeks-should-I-be-worried- at 4 and a half weeks, panicking about the same thing, and the soreness came back with a vengance a few days later. I was sure I was miscarrying as I also had awful cramps (up until 8 weeks). Please try not to worry - although I know that's way easier to say than do.

now love, there you are properly helpful and everything. Good skills! there you go scarlet, you'll be just fine, you and babyscarlet

Thanks for the responses scream dream and LoveIn.

I know there's nothing I can do anyway. The best thing for me to do is try and relax, not stress blah blah but as you all know, it's soooo hard. The annoying thing is I cannot remember the early stages of my pregnancy with DS. I've no idea what symptoms I had other than that I felt mostly fine but knackered. I'm just full of anxiety because of what's happened since then.

I've spoken with DH, he tries his hardest to make me feel better but knows how much of a worrier I am now.

It's not so much the lack of symptoms that worry me, I know it's still very early days to have any. It's more the fact that I did have them and now I don't IYKWIM.

LoveIn that thread was so helpful to read. It had made me feel a little better. Thank you.

I'm out for dinner with a good friend tomorrow night. I wasn't going to tell her but I think I will now. I don't think I'll get much further without cracking up otherwise. My best friend knows, but tbh she's not that good with pg stuff. She's still young, free, single and happily child free so although tries to understand, I know it's going in one ear and out the other. And she also knows I've got a tendancy to worry a bit too much

Hi scarlet. it is solo hard not to worry and I know that nothing anyone says will change that but I just wanted to say that I had really bad cramps for the first few weeks of pregnancy and also I do find that sometimes my sore boobs, which a usually amazingly painful, will feel fine for a couple days and then start hurting again just as I get myself in a panic about it.

On the whole scan thing I found out the other day that when my mom was pregnant with me she was part of the tests that determined the expected size of the baby throughout pregnancy. She was scanned every week for the whole of the pegnancy and I can assure you that I am not left handed (though my mum is so hardly see it as being s terrible thing!) and was a pretty standard birth. If anything I think I was quite big.

I have also had a quick poke about the Internet and found that many of the articles about this seems a bit vague and inconclusive with others concluding that theamount our scans you have makes no difference at all. Personally I can't find anything that would make me worried about it. To be honest you can find someone on the Internet that will say anything is dangerous if you look for it.

Solo? That was suppose to be sooo ... Stupid autocorrect!

Go for it scarlet. I always figure a mc isn't like the pregnancy never happened, hence why i will tell all those I would want to know if i am unlucky enough to have a mc. Keeps me sane, as your friends won't worry like you do but will focus on the positives, which in my opinion helps me be positive.
from a fellow worrier
Have a lovely dinner tomorrow, tell your friend, listen to your lovely DH, and try and stay sane and calm-ish. I thought love's thread was great- you are clearly not the only one. My symptoms are never the same one day to the next but I can't compare boobage symptoms as I have none of those yet except ? more tender when bf DD.

Hello ladies
Just popping in from my week of annual leave (normally post while at work)
scarlet I would second what love said, my boobs stopped hurting at about 5/40 and haven't hurt since. I know it's hard not to worry but it's true that every pregnancy is different.
Am also worried about how to look after 2 little ones and how my DS will respond to me with a baby. That said, his father has had to bath him and read a story every night this week as I've just been so knackered that DS has suddenly started with the, "not mummy, daddy do story" which makes me feel uber guilty and generally rubbish (blaming the hormones)
Anyway, nice to meet the newbies .
DH out watching football so have Tesco ready meal - anyone for overcooked spinach cannelloni?

Scans are bad for the baby? Well, babies can die even when they have only had the 2 standard scans, and I don't think being left-handed is the end of the world.

Hello, all you newbies! Jaggy, where is Scotland are you? Is it near Aberdeen? You say 'awfy' just like my grandpa. I'm near Edinburgh now but grew up in Aberdeenshire.

Deny, spinach = folic acid. Perfect dinner!

Scarlet, I also had cramps for the week before and after my BFP - think it was just baby bean getting firmly rooted (to continue the vegetable metaphor).

Have had my booking appt this morning, but was somewhat nonplussed as no blood would come out when the MW tried to take the samples. This has never happened to me before! She thought perhaps it was her tube lacking in suction, or maybe it was just that I hadn't had much breakfast (half a can of tinned peaches and a cup of tea). She's coming back on Monday to try again - FX it works this time. I also have my first consultant appt booked for tomorrow, so am really hoping I will like this consultant. Am going to be v demanding and ask exactly what his/her plan of care is and say that the last consultant promised me weekly clinic appts after 24 weeks, plus growth scans every 4 weeks, plus early delivery at 38 weeks, possibly by ELCS. I'm not very good at being demanding, so will have to brief DH in the car. 7+6 today!

too - good for you - grit your teeth and be as demanding as possible! Please feel free to take my surplus anti-nausea bands and threaten to use them as a torture implement if they won't comply.

I also never believe anyone when they use the excuse that you haven't eaten enough. My midwife told me I wasn't eating enough to keep my contractions regular (???). I ate about 3 kitkats and a muesli bar, then had some pethidine and duly puked all over her. Needless to say, she didn't moan about me not eating again.

hey tooimmature :) I'm actually from the highlands but don't live there now. sorry to be so vague, I'm a bit paranoid about my anonymity on t'internet! i think i fail at vagueness sometimes though.

not sure where i picked up the awfy from! i quite like Scots words i guess, i have got DH saying baffies and jaicket(sp) over the year's and DS knows what his breeks are (DH taught him that one)!

Thanks Hiding, TooImmature, Deny and dream again.

I really need to try and get a grip on this anxiety. I'm now worrying about the amount I'm worrying! Aaaaaaaaaagggggggggghhhhhhhhh. Right, I'm going to take DS out today and stop googling. I need some distraction.

How's everyone else doing this morning?

Hello everyone and welcome fabby newbies!
I have scanned through and just wanted to say in twins quite often, one will be left handed. My brothers are twins and one is left handed and other friends have been the same, they called themselves mirror twins :)

I am not going to worry about early scans, I think it is probably riskier worrying and anyway I think I have just about stopped torturing myself. Although I am dreading that someting may have happened and my scan next thurs won't be a happy one..
Other than that I will be pleased to 'come out' and change to my maternity jeans especially for work I only have one shirt out of my four that fits me now!
Glad everyone is doing so well, do you think we need to get in more glittery buckets?

Yes please, more glittery buckets!! I am feeling a bit nauseaus this morning, but only been sick once with far less bile and unpleasant non-productive wretching first. A much more pleasant experience I am putting down to Brooking No Arugument about it. and I am not worrying at all that less sickness is not a good thing at this point However, I would like a red glittery vom bucket please.

I wouldn't worry about scans, all I mean is I will book my 'normal' NHS one for as early as possible and won't pay privately. It would have been at 10 weeks last time, but I had a D&V bug and was physically too ill to get out of bed and go... And believe me, I tried... That on top of morning sickness floored me. I was so worried then, I'd not eaten anything or drunk hardly anything for days and days, and had a fear I'd killed the bean. Clearly not. But I did get very thin!!!

too, i second that, brief DH, get him all fired up first, and Brook No Argument about your wants. I am debating demanding consultant-led care this time, bloody midwives are fairly hopeless unless you are in labour and it is all going to plan I have found.

jaggy, I wonder about t'internet too. Does that mean you have stayed away from the dubious sites like Facebook and Twitter? I have a fb account and keep wondering whether to get rid of it...

Morning scarlet, hope you have a lovely day of distraction.

Now I must go and do some more weeding, i just nipped in for a quick vom...

Morning ladies!

I'm really glad to hear that Scarlet is getting out and finding distractions, I hope you're feeling more positive soon. Also it's excellent news Dream is feeling less ill this morning, good work brooking no argument!

Purple best of luck for your scan next week! Not that you need it, after all you're in here! I can imagine it must be a huge relief almost being at the end of the "hiding" phase, it must be so hard keeping quiet at work, I'm dreading going back into the office in two weeks!

I don't seem to need a glittery bucket yet, and I'm hoping that doesn't indicate any sort of issue until 6 weeks. If I'm still totally fine at 6 weeks I might be a little more nervous about it (although if everything else is going well it wouldn't be terrible to not have morning sickness during my exams!)

I'm still definitely going for the 8 week scan. I didn't recognise the organisations on the web links with the negative scan stories, but I trust the NHS and their website says the only question mark for additional scans is related to the 4D style scans which involve scanning the baby for a really long period of time. They say there's no issue with additional normal length basic scans, and they specifically mention the study regarding the left-hand issue and say that it was inconclusive. Although as several people have mentioned, I don't think left-handedness is really a problem!

I'm getting disproportionately excited about my GP booking in appointment tomorrow morning - I'm sure it'll be a total anticlimax! I'm hoping he will confirm my hcg levels and I'm hoping he won't weigh me! (Soooooo embarassing to have to face my actual weight!) Somehow I doubt either of those wishes will come true! On the plus side this morning is the first time my pg test line has been significantly darker than the control line, and it appeared first! Yay!