We are all jolly well going to have a perfectly uneventful pregnancy and pain free birth and will brook no argument at all

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In a moment bravery here is the anti-natal thread for all those continuing to Brook No Argument into pregnancy and beyond.

So raise your fists to the sky and sing loud for there is no turning back now! We shall all stand firm and prevail with joy in our hearts as all our pregnancies will be simply blooming perfect!

Hurrah! and more Hurrah! :o

I think maybe I missed out on the excitement and exhilaration! Maybe though that is from 'giving in' to forceps and not feeling like I finished the job. Mind you I reckon we'd still be there three years on if it had been left to me and ds to get him out by myself

Obviously forceps is not 'giving in' but there is just a bit of me that feels like I couldn't finish the job - stupid really and to be honest as long as he got here I couldn't have cared if they said they were going to pull him out of my nose...

Deny what an episode with the dog! And how awkward having to rescue your dog but toddler on your back so can't really get to them - eek!! DS is frightened of dogs (we don't have one and no one we see regularly has one - don't know how we managed that!) and I'm working on not having to pick him up whenever we go past one. he's gradually getting braver and understanding that they aren't after him! I think it is a family thing though because I'm not keen, neither is my mum and so on all the way back up so he's probably picked it up off me despite my bestest bravest attempts to be excited by seeing a dog and even stroking the odd one to try and encourage him.

I felt nothing bar relief and then just got absorbed in dd. Have no recollection of being stitched up or delivering the placenta at all!

I do remember one midwife promising me tea and toast and then not bringing it. I still bear a grudge.

Not many doctors would be brave enough to do a c section on someone with my clotting issues so I have to put them out of my mind. Otherwise get a little bit jealous!

I feel that if I tell you about my birth experience you will all run for the hills. Suffice it to say that I had contractions from the Thursday at 5, which tailed off during most of Friday and then started up again on Saturday, was admitted to Triage at 2cm dilated at 4pm on Sat, and DD's death was diagnosed at 8pm. I was 4cm at that point, and was given gas and air and morphine, non of which helped one little bit, possibly because I was on the bed strapped to a blood pressure machine and a couple of drips, and eventually had an epidural. DD was delivered on Sun at 9.42am. The delivery itself was fine, no stitches or anything...

Have I scared you all?

Too you poor thing. I'm sorry if I've been insensitive with the whole 'it's all worth it in the end thing' . I'm so sorry that you've had to go through that.

I also thought that the gas and air was ineffective - just made me feel sick but I was strapped to the monitor things too so maybe that's why?

Have you had your consultant appointment through yet? I do hope they get you sorted out and give you the care you deserve.

Also feel as I though I've been very insensitive too. Cannot imagine how hard that must have been for you.

My best friend lost her twins at 28/40 in early 2010. She has since gone on to have another child and said her medical care was second to none, regular scans and support and reassurance. I really hope you get the same. Am sure you will.

biscuits I think a lot of women I've spoken to feel that way about an instrumental delivery. Here's hoping this time you have a better experience. I feel we should all brook no argument about this

Oh Too I'm so sorry for your loss. What a terrible thing to happen.

I too hope you get all the care and reassurance that you need throughout this pregnancy.

Oh, Too, I'm so terribly sorry for your loss.

Hi all, I'm back from my weekend away.

Too so sorry for your loss, what a horrific experience.

Re: the other ladies with dodgy 1st birth experiences, I'm afraid I'm another one. I didn't really participate in DD's birth, it was just done to me. Induction that went wrong, back to back, horrific pain, transverse arrest, Keillands forceps, scarred baby, incontinence, fun fun fun. I'm in denial about how this next one's coming out.

Had my early scan on Monday, was 7+5 by dates but 7+1 by measurements (which is right because I ovulated v.late - day 20). Saw the tiny splodge and its little flickering heartbeat. So I'm sort of 8 weeks today but not really.

Saw doctor over a week ago but no idea when/if I get a booking in appointment and still no scan date. Ah, the joys of living in London and trying to access healthcare.

Hope you're all well and feeling positive (we're brooking no argument remember )

Um, did anyone who's done this before have a good birth?

Honestly Love I do know lots of people who had 'text book' labours. Fingers crossed we'll all be those people this time round

Thanks guys, none of you have been insensitive at all, so don't worry. My MW called on Tues - I have a scan booked on Tues morning, and they should talk me through my care at that appt. The MW wasn't sure if I would see a consultant but she thought there was a good chance I would. Then my booking appt on the 24th, and the booking scan on 16 Sep. So FX for Tuesday! I should be 8+2 then but I won't be surprised if it is less than that - and the MW said that if they don't see the heartbeat then I will be given another scan, so not to worry that it will be Tuesday and then nothing until September.

Hooray too! that all sounds very positive! Fingers crossed for Tuesday!

love, literally 99% of my friends had positive birth experiences. In fact, it's a running joke amongst us that I was the one who tried so hard with the hypnobirthing etc and had a bad time.

here, so pleased your scan went well. No sign of a booking appointment here either. I remember being fairly disappointed at my last one. I seemed to have this vision of an hour-long tea and biccies extravaganza where I had my every whim attended to. Instead I got given some notes and had to pee in a pot . ah well, it's not the same everywhere I'm sure and this time I'm brooking no argument and am going to demand tea and sympathy whilst asking lots of unnecessary questions.

My DH is off to London this weekend to see friends. Been planned for ages but timed beautifully to coincide with our friends and their two kids arriving Saturday night for their son's Christening where I'm Godmother on sunday morning. Is it wrong if I'm sick in the font?

How's everyone feeling today? What plans for the weekend?

I'll be in hospital for birth number 2 again due to clotting disease but informed my obstetrician this am that I will be having a nice easy quick labour this time bought on by sweep or nature not induction.
She was very encouraging.
She also scanned me and baby waved at me!!

Am 9+6 today and this scan matched that exactly.

Third scan before 12 weeks. Sometimes I think I'm lucky to have Hughes' Syndrome... Then I remind myself of the continual risk - my miscarriage risk never goes down. But still 3 scans (two NHS) is pretty lucky.

Love - I know some people who had the births they wanted and had good memories of it. Quite a few actually :)

Too - Hope you do get a consultant it's nice to have extra advice/information.

Just a quick one - has anyone seen anything of Aubers? I know people float in and out (naturally we are all floating effortlessly and glamourously in our pg state) but she was suffering so much with her m/s and I just wondered if anyone had heard anything of her?

Biscuits - she was planning to visit her parents for a month so I had assumed she was there sans Internet.

Ah yes she was wasn't she - that rings a bell definitely. I'm hoping she has no internet (in the nicest possible way - as in I hope there is nothing wrong and she hasn't deserted us all - just living in the dark ages for a few weeks )

Thank you Pommed that's put my mind at rest a little

Feel so awful so sick and so tired and stressed house is a tip I've been on nights dh is away till Sunday and we go on holibobs next week and I need to pack but cant get the suitcases down from the loft dh isn't really helping nor family so fed up :( just want to sleep and be sick on the plus side 12 week scan is 6 sept yay only dh is away then so my grandma is coming instead

Sorry for the mope xx

And sorry for the pack of punctuation lol xxx

meme don't apologise. Sounds like you're having a rough time at the moment but this will pass I promise. Don't worry about housework, my house also a tip at the moment and I'm having to learn to put up with it. Where are your holibobs? Will it mean lots of lying down in sunny climes?

If its any help, you're not alone in feeling awful. I completely broke down yesterday to DH so he's at least sticking around this weekend as I just cannot face dealing with visitors (who have to come and stay as their family not well enough to put them up and its their son's christening) and all I can do these days is just lie down groaning. Great news about scan not being too far away, bet you'll feel so much better by then too.

Come and have a nice lie down on this specially plumped-up cushion from biscuits and please feel free to throw up in a glittery bucket.

How is everyone else today?

I have an image of biscuits on a huge sofa so her feet don't touch the floor swinging them around waiting for aubers with a pink glittery bucket. It's very cute.

Symptoms so much better over here - I would definitely be freaking out if hadn't been scanned yesterday.

Only thing I do get is really low blood pressure which makes me feel very slow and fatigued and I have to be careful about not moving too fast. Anyone else get BP issues of the low kind?

Here's a link

We're covering a good spread of the country aren't we? Could do with East Anglia and Wales being covered off though.

Dd does the tummy roll and backwards thing too early on most things and ends up shuffling for years before she dips off the edge. Has me in stitches every time.

Just booked an early scan for next Wednesday - I'll be 8 weeks by LMP dates. Absolutely bricking it (can't even pretend there is any brooking going on) as I feel like doom has a date now .

How's everyone else. I am almost jealous of those with MS - I know ridiculous but I wish I felt something

pomme your DD sounds very cute. My DS has just started walking after shuffling on his backside all this time - he's nearly 22m!

We're about 5 mins from the Welsh border and I'm having this baby in Wales (all being well) and am Welsh. Hope that helps with our strategy to brook no argument in the entire UK.

biscuits I know its easy for me to say but try not to worry about lack of symptoms. Plenty of people I know had nothing whatsoever until they first felt baby move at 20-odd weeks. Also, we need someone in the group to not feel sick otherwise who's going to hold the glittery buckets and mop our brows?

I'm onto the Haribo now. Slippery slope...

Ah I see Deny, you have put Shropshire to fool me. Okay you have that angle covered then. So we're missing Eastern bulby bit and Northern Ireland now!

Agree biscuits don't worry unduly. Not too long to wait until weds either.

Ooo haribo. I have a huge pork pie craving. Got one in Waitrose on way to work. It is sitting in my bag taunting me... I have also already eaten cereal, a bagel and a dairy milk bar. I'm going to be the size of a house soon.