Twin's Club 2! All Welcome! :)

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Continued on from Here
Tried to update best I can with limited info and time, but here's the list on the new Twins Club thread, please update if I've missed anything!

Sassy34264 #2&3 EDD 12/09/10, Lancs, Jacob and Isobel born 13/8/10
strawberrylace #2&3 EDD 1/12/10, Suffolk, surprise Zoey and Lucas born 23/10/10 by c section
jjkm #1&2 ADD 29/1/11, outside the UK, Girls born 25/10/10
Lavitabellissima #1&2 EDD 13/12/10, SW London, Identical girls Born 04/11/10 c section (early 34&3)
smokeybacon #3&4 EDD 25th Nov, Nottingham, Freddie and Tobias born 06/11/10, natural birth after induction.
Jenzopos #1&2 EDD 23/11/10, Charlotte & Anna, Manchester 15/11/10 6lb 7oz and 7lb 5oz
Swazzee #1&2 EDD 02/12/10, South London, Adem 6lb 3oz and Rafi 5lb 13oz 21/11/10
Amberc #2&3, Madeleine (6.3lb) & Isabella (6.11lb) , delivered by C Section on 07/1/11 at 37 weeks, Kent
Thingamajig #2&3 EDD 20/3/11, Cornwall, identical girls Hannah (5lb4oz) and Louise (4lb4oz) born 13/2/11
Magic8ballhastheanswers #3&4 EDD 22/3/11 South London, ID girls born 27/2/11
Cerubina #1&2, SW London, Sebastian (3lb 4oz) and Rosamund (3lb 9oz) born 8 weeks early on 26/2/11 by emergency c-section
Holidays2010, 2 Baby Boys born 06/03/2011
CantDrinkAnyMoreMilk, Scotland, Baby Girl and Baby Boy born 01/03/2011
crazydayz, Thomas and Isobel, born on 28/4/2011 by C-section at 7lb 3 and 6lb 14

Tabbycat76 #1+2 Edd 21/02/11, Suffolk, surprise
VictoriaSecrets #1&2, EDD 17/05/11, Basingstoke, Prob Non-ID twin girls!

Snowfalls108 #2&3 EDD 29/05/2011, SW London, ID surprise
MissyMolly #1&2, EDD 29/05/2011, Midlands, non ID boy and girl
RestingKitty #1&2 EDD 15/06/2011, South London, boy & girl
Propercrimbo #2&3 EDD 16/07/11, North Lancs, not finding out
Brassicababe #1&2, 22/07/2011, Lincs, non-id, surprise
MorningsMadness #2&3 EDD 14/08/2011, Surrey, Non-ID twin girls
MrsStevo, #1 & 2, EDD 23/08/2011, Lincs, MCDA ID
Redshaw, EDD Sept 2011, MCDA ID
Tiggersreturn #2+3 EDD 26/09/11 NW London DCDA - not finding out
DoubleDiffedDachs, #1&2 EDD 5/10/11, Twyford (Berks), DCDA, too early to tell!
Fluter, EDD October 2011, Non-ID
PeelingmyselfofftheCeiling #1+2 EDD ... , DCDA
mybootsaremuddy 6+7 EDD 7/7/2011, surprise
silverangel #1+2 EDD ..., ID

quempin, I had lots of issues like this with it healing, was referred to the general surgeons at my 8 week consultant follow up for excessive bleeding. They thought it was probably scar tissue and haemarrhoids though noone found any on examination and suggested a sigmoidoscopy to rule out other causes of bleeding. I couldn't face the thought at the time with an EBF 16 week old , and asked if it would sort it permanently if i had other pregnancies/ vb's and they didn't know so I self discharged and thought I'd see how it went, particularly in other pregnancies. So not unexpected, I'd only not had problems for about 7 months, suppose in terms of long term healing its not that long ago. Im sure you will be able to have a section with mcda twins but not being sure is hard... I wad told I couldn't even go to the mw led centre to have mine so home birth must be out?!

My poor little dd is still not well- into week 6 of varying degrees of ill health for her, she had us up 7 times by 2:30am this morning when dh let her sleep on his chest. Her cough's still really bothering her and she's got another cold. Poor little tike. Not much sleep had, again, in the dream household last night though...

Popping back in on the hunt for news from twin... Wondering if your babies are here!

tabby, hope the extension/new kitchen is going well, raven, hope you're doing ok too, and hello to everyone else!

I reckon twin has had her babies! I'm so excited to find out!!

I'd also guess tabby and raven busy with their various building/ rennovation (sp?) projects. katy is still posting on her other thread- she's still having a hard time, no idea about mersymersy or anyone else... Hope they're all ok, and just too busy to get on here!

Had an awful night last night, my poor DD got worse not better, and was up several times earlier in the evening, then up coughing and projectile vomiting at 11:30pm... Then a massive clean up operation- it went everywhere, as I heard her coughing, then start wretching and choking in her cot and grabbed her and ran to the bathroom for light aand inspection of a breathing baby!! So vomit all the way from her bedroom across the landing and into the bathroom, and everywhere in between. A long while of cleaning, calpoling (she was very, very hot too), and much cuddling and settling later, I finally had her asleep in her cot for about 2am... Then the poor thing just coughed and coughed all night, and I was up with her several more times before I brought her in with me at 6am...
Had a panic in an exhausted state last night about how I will cope with 3 under one-and-a-half when it takes everything out of me looking after one ill baby... Still, this morning I am back to worrying about managing a healthy pregnancy and 2 healthy babies again

Hope the doctor is helpful quempin. Pregnancy is rubbish, but a means to an end, and from my limited experience so far, twin pg is far, far harder (and I wasn't a breeze-though-and-love-it type with my first!!). You poor thing still being sick... Has it settled at all? I am down to about every few days now, and was hoping it would go altogether... or is that too much to ask for?!

I have found you! Thank you to those on here who pointed me in the right direction following on from my post on the 'Pregnancy' board. So relieved to find some more people expecting twins.

I am 13+5 wks pregnant with MCDA twins (still getting my head round what that actually means). Got a 21 month old DD. Due date 23rd May. At my 12 week scan I was told I would need scans every fortnight, so have another scan this Wednesday with the consultant - hoping I will be given lots more information as I feel very much in the dark at the moment.

Over all feeling is blessed and excited. But also worried due to the risks that apparently come with the pregnancy as well as having the odd panic moment when I think 'how will I cope?'!!

We have told most people our news, and have been a bit put out by some of the responses.... 'oh dear, poor you'... 'you are going to be HUGE'.... and 'oh my God having three under three will be a nightmare'. Hmmm.

I have so many questions but will hold back for the mo, as hoping my appt on Wednesday will give me some answers (and probably some more questions!).

Very rude of me not to read all previous posts - I promise to catch up with every ones situations as soon as I can. I don't know any one who has had twins or who is having twins so it is so nice to know you are all here! x

Hello bigboobs, I join you with the negative comments- my dd is 14 months so we've even had the 'so it wasn't planned then?' It was, but we hadn't thought it could be twins!! I expect 3 under one and a half will be very hard for the first year or do but totally worth it!

I have had one consultant appointment so far, and still had millions of questions. This thread has been invaluable for that, and the various worries and wobbles I've had already.
Nice to see you here :-)

Hi, just checking in. Hello bigboobs, welcome and congrats (love the name by the way). We have all been in your shoes so stick with us.

I cannot stop eating, and eating junk! I am feeling huge. Been to most of my NCT classes and just the last breastfeeding one to go. Got me really confused about the birth and what to do. Half of me want to go for a natural birth and half of me wants to opt for an ELCS - neither really appeal atall to be honest !! Both babies were head down at last scan (28 weeks). Next scan and consultant apt in 2 weeks time. Hope to get the doctors to agree to a d-day for me of 14 Jan if I don't go before. Only 8 days of work to go. Nursery painting done. Flooring to be done a week today and on Friday taking the fabric to the curtain-maker - having boy girl twins so nursery needs to be unisex. After that might be able to start getting organised for these babies properly. Just ordered a book on twins (I'll let you know if I recommend it - it was rated best on amazon) and the hynobirthing book and CD.

Sorry to hear DD is still ill dream.

Hi quempin, BB3 and everyone else!

I wonder if twins makes you eat more junk ( ). I ate healthily all through my pg with DD after 16 weeks when I stopped puking, but I cannot remember the last day I didn't eat crisps, and a fair amount of chocolate is being consumed too... I feel huge already.

We've decided to find out the sexes, purely for planning ad my impatience, thoguh we didn't last time. We need to buy some furniture this time though (last time was all hand me down, but exhausted that avenue now!!) and for some reason I just want to, and two seems different.

The birth decision is very hard raven. I think for twins especially there's bigger risks/ downsides to a natural birth- I would be so worried about complications with twin 2, and having a natural birth for twin 1 and then an EMCS for twin 2 which whould be the worst of both worlds! I only know one twin mum in RL, and her girls are 7. She tried for a natural birth, but ended up with an EMCS and has recommended from her experience to go ELCS! She chose ELCS for her third child too though so can't compare both personally- who's DD's age, that's how I met her. But I agree, neither natural or CS appeal in the slightest- a means to an end!! Have to say,the third degree tear was grim. I know they'll say they'll be smaller, but with DD not having been a big baby at 7lb5 i'm still not convinced, especially if they did end up doing an assisted breech delivery. If I was term, and having 6lb + babies- oh, I just don't know either!!

Will look forward to the book review raven!!

quempin so you having boys or girls? (only if you want to share of course). I have a feeling the consultant will fob me off at my 32 week apt and not want to talk birth until later. I asked about it at my 28 week apt and they said at my 38 week apt they will book in an induction date for later that week (!) a) I would like to plan a bit further ahead than that and b) I am hoping not to go passed 38 weeks, ie would like my induction date to be 38 weeks + 0, not approaching 39! actually I would like it to be 37 weeks but think I have no chance of getting my way on that if all stays healthy

My main worry about c-section is the recovery time, although some positive stories on here fro BB3 and others about that. I really do not want to be in hospital for days in the beginning and really restrictied in how I can look after the babies in the first few weeks. Don't fancy the tears etc of course either or the hours of agony - I came home and cried after the NCT class which talked about tears and episiotomys etc (hormonal and emotional!). Will have to have the docs give me the honest view on the increased risks of natrual birth in twins dream as wasn't aware there were any except twin 2 possibly being breach due to turning once the other one has left space. I was warned about the 1 VB and 1 EMCS scenario which sounds like a living nightmare. Ahh!

I was speaking to my friend whose MCDA twins are now 3. She had a c-section but they did hers at 34 weeks due to one twin having stopped growing. She seems to have a wide network of twin mum friends - she told me of her friend who gave birth a couple of weeks ago at 38 weeks to twins naturally (with Epidural) and everything was fine, even about another friend who had a HOME BIRTH in a POOL! and everything was chilled and lovely (although this was private midwife and private care). She also told me of another mum who went to 40 wks as didn't want an induction and although she was monitored every 2 days in the last 2 weeks, her labour started natrually at 40 weeks. She also told me that in France most twin mums are prescribed bed rest from 26 weeks ! bliss

Sorry quempin, it was dream who said they were going to find out the sexes, not you - ignore my question on that!

raven my scan is 1st Dec so will hopefully find out then. I think its placenta coming away for twin 2 too early while twin 1 being born that would cause EMCS, amoung other causes of course, and its 5 or 10% of twin births. Low ish anyway. That's what my consultant said. I'd want the epidural anyway so if anything happened they could have me in theatre faster than you can say EMCS please!!! Like I said, I'm twitchy because that's my job- I see way more twins than naturally occur in the population as they tend to be the prem ones, and several pairs of twins with an affected twin 2. But this is not the norm but i can't get it out of my head.... Plus, one of the affected twin 2's was EMCS at 29 weeks for both babies and his sister is fine. The added thing for me is my previous third degree tear. If i was at 38 weeks having 6lb + babies I'd be tempted to have elcs to avoid tearing my poor scarred perineum any more!!!! At the end of the day I just want 2 healthy babies and ideally an intact perineum!! Or at least not a big tear. My main worry is also recovery time for section. Especially with dd. It's very hard.

My dd still has a v upset stomach, but slept all night and I feel 10,000,000 times better for it. She sounds like mini-Darth Vadar with her cough and rattly chest but hopefully this time she'll finally get fully better!!! She's woken up now so got to go

Hello to everyone!

Hello ladies - hi bigboobs welcome!

Gah we are the house of lurgy at the moment the kids have all had it, now all the adults have it and to be honest I think it's worse us having it than them as it makes coping much harder.

Bigboobs yes the comments are just so lovely! I have three kids under three (DS is 2.6 and the girls now officially 2 months and 1 day old!) and it's fine. By golly it's hard work but completely do-able as long as you accept that there is going to be really shitty times when all three are crying around you and there is pretty much j-all you can do about it but also really lovely ones too!

dream I think it was you that asked about placenta - no signs really, had been having period pains for a few weeks before but the day they arrived was feeling very well, a bit tired but was 37 weeks pg with the girls so that was normal! When the placenta detached it felt a bit like my waters had leaked (heavily but not gushed) so I went to the bathroom and realised that the wetness was in fact lots of blood and the strange sensation was the placenta collecting in my underwear (sorry for TMI). As for scariness, at my 34 week appointment I discussed at length all outcomes with my head consultant who was brilliant so was prepared for it. I was told without doubt that because of the placenta's position if I was to go into labour naturally as soon as my cervix started to open I would bleed heavily but not to panic because a little bit of blood apparently looks a lot! I was told to go in as soon as this happened and if I was alone and unable to get in to call 999 so I was kind of prepared for it. The only time I was scared was on the way in (as I was worried about how much time I would have before twin one was at risk but that was all put aside when I was hooked up to CTG and heard the heartbeats), when they discussed potentially leaving me for a few days if bleeding calmed down (to which they got an 'I don't think so' response from me) and when I was rushed to theatre and was listening to them set up the room for 'every eventuality' (ordinarily the room would be ready for you but as it was an emergency it wasn't!).

Other signs of placental problems are lack of movement, the bump suddenly going very hard (in an unnatural way) and contractions. My contractions started a few hours after the bleeding and went from 3 mins apart to 1 in the space of an hour hence the EMCS.

Quemp I actually recovered a lot quicker with the CS than with natural labour because I tore internally quite bad where DS shot out at the end so had quite a lot of stitching up there! I think it's all about balance, you have to do things otherwise your muscles take longer to heal but you really cant do too much standing / walking / lifting as that will set you back! I think I was lucky to get a good balance with DS making me do more and my family making me do less iyswim.

In terms of the natural labour for one EMCS for the other, my consultant said that for DCDA twins like mine, once one sac has pushed out a baby the tummy changes tact and focuses on the placenta which is a different phase of labour and essentially tries to push it out. The danger with the twins is that the baby contractions stop and placenta ones start so twin two is at risk of not being able to come out without the support of contractions or having it's placenta decide it wants to come out first, so they tend to need more help (with instruments / turning) to come naturally. There have been quite a few on this thread with lovely natural births, a lot of Elective CS's and quite a few EMCS's too. I would discuss every outcome with your consultant ideally at your 32 week check and then make a decision that you are comfortable with (remembering it is YOUR decision, not theirs). I really wanted a natural birth so my consultant left me as long as possible scanning me at 32 and 34 weeks in the hope that the placenta had shifted (it didn't) and would have gone for a natural birth at 38 weeks if it wasn't completely blocking the way out . Looking back now and how nice the CS was all in all, I am very glad I didn't

So the girls were two months old yesterday and the time has FLOWN by! Can't believe it. Was feeding my 6 month old niece whizzed down roast dinner the other day and just thinking how soon it will be me whizzing down food for these two! It's just flying by so quickly! They are FINALLY out of tiny baby clothes and newborn are getting snug! 0-3 still swamp them both but they are getting there. Hoping they will top 10lb when I weigh them tomorrow.

I've also started seeing a personal trainer twice a week (from last week) and am off to zumba with a friend tonight (could be interesting ), still eating whatever I want (diets and bfing do not go well together) but hoping the exercise will help tone me up a bit (one bad thing about cs is having no muscle tone for AGES after birth). I am in NO hurry to lose the weight I put on but would quite like to be slimmer and toned by early next summer (because clearly christmas is no time to worry about your weight ).

It's my birthday tomorrow and I am off to the cinema to watch twilight (me, my sister, and my breast pump!!! Whilst K the girls and my niece are left at home with my other sister and mum!), and hoping DH and I will get to go out for a meal later in the week when things have calmed down a bit at work for him. Feels like I am finally getting a bit of my self back with the time away at gym / out. Feel guilty leaving the girls and DS but at the same time really nice having adult time too!

OK this has turned into a bit of a mammoth post so better stop and go and spend some time with DS.

Hope everyone is ok -

Still waiting impatiently excitedly for twins news....

hi everyone, just found out on sat that i'm pregnant with twins.

just told a couple of friend at school that know i am pg, the fact its twins.

and i just burst out crying.

not because im not happy, but because im feeling so daunted and scared about it all.

im 8 weekspg andi have dd1 who will be almost 5 by the time the twin arrive.

suppose im worrying how will i manage this pg, been feeling so ill and have been sick so much, will they twons be born too early, will they end up in scbu, how will we cope with two babies at the same time, how will we afford everything, our house is not massive.

i think the fact i feel so ill and hormonal is not helping.

Hi carries. I have not had chance to get up to speed with everyones situations on here, but I know you will get some good advice. I found I was having twins at 9 wks and had all the fears and worries you have - still have them to some extent. But I am not 14 weeks and feel much more at ease with the situation. Give it time to sink in and you will feel better. Feeling 100% crap 100% of the time does NOT help!

Do you know if your twins are identical?

I don't have any words of wisdom, but wanted to say hello!

hi big boobs.

how long did it take for you forthe news to sink in?

they said at the scan they are not id, they are from different eggs, on was 2 days smaller than the other.
so i don't know if both eggs got relased at the same time and one is growing smaller, or perhaps one egg was realsed 2 days after the first.

did you say your are 14 weeks now?

Hello carrie

You might not want to hear it but having twins sunk in about 4 weeks after the girls were born!!! All the way through the pg o bought the double buggy, the extra Moses basket, I saw two babies at every scan and it wasn't until they were home and almost a month old that I looked at them and thought 'huh' there's really two of them in fact I'm sat here on my bed looking down at the two of them in their Moses baskets and I still can't believe I was lucky enough to have them x the next 30 ish weeks will not be the most enjoyable for you (what with sickness, discomfort and fear!) but at the end you get two little babies that are hard work but so very, very special.

I also cried when I found out. Sat there in the scan room staring at the plasma screen and cried my eyes out. I was very happy but also anxious and it was so unexpected! I don't think I took in any of that first meeting with the consultant as I couldn't hear through the blur of 'wtf' going on on my head!! I remember walking out wishing if asked all these questions but my brain wouldn't function!!!

There are a few of you ladies at similar stages now so you'll have a good support network on here xx

I had such a shock in the scan, seeing two babies, both measuring exactly the same... I think I said 'But are they both ok?' and was told yes at least 5 times . And didn't ask anything else half sensible. I am absolutely delighted now at 18+5 weeks though- to the point I feel a bit sorry for anyone not having twins...!!! (hormones I'm sure). I was also pleased to have a 'good' reason for the huge amount of vomiting and weight loss and exhaustion and hormonal behaviour...! It's also tinged with constant worry that something will go wrong with one or both babies though. I had always wanted three children (or more! DH wanted 2 so it was the compromise) though, and as DH says, it's just like getting to meet our third child a couple of years early!! Plus I don't feel 100% crap all the time now.

I love this thread as there is so much information- from bb3 and those who've had their babies, and those much further on. I find it reassuring to think it's not just me worrying about a twin pg, and that you can cope with three young children, as bb3 seems to be doing marvellously. I don't have that much life to myself with a 14 month old!!! I will make an effort to do some things just for me before these 2 hopefully arrive though.

Thanks for the birth info bb3, I know it's ages away for me, but I can't help thinking about it constantly... I spoke to a friend today who had an EMCS after 47 hours of labour for her first baby, and she walked 2 miles 6 days post op/birth and was fine, built up daily from there. I walked 2.5 miles 3 weeks post birth and was in agony.... so I can definitely say for some, especially the big-tear brigade, the healing doesn't seem miles different. I was sat on an actual rubber ring after my birth- a freaking rubber ring, I was in so much pain!!! (On paracetamol and diclofenac all the time too) and was laughed at by some of DH's male friends for my ring (which a friend lent me after her infected episiotomy, she loved it too!!!). BUT I think a straight-forward, no problems normal birth will of course be best recovery wise just a shame it can't be guaranteed you'll have one. Your comments on normal birth and babies turning and labour slowing sound familiar bb3, I think my consultant may have briefly mentioned that, and it doesn't sound encouraging to me. Hmm

The financial side is hard- with 3 in full child seats we need an MPV and will be pulling money back out of our morgage (how irritating!) to change one of our cars etc etc. I'm absolutely sure it'll be worth every penny though.

Must go to bed, work tomorrow, and goodness knows what DD will do tonight...

Hello carrie and bigboobs and welcome!!
Dear carrie I completely understand how you are feeling, imagine this is my third pregnancy, I have 2 DDs aged 7 and 10, this should have been my last, very wanted baby, I was soo determined I was going to thouroughly enjoy him/her!
I had planned everything in my head: another natural birth, liw key pregnancy, breastfeeding, I knew one baby could just fut in with our family lufe without too much disruption for all.

Imagine what s bombshell the news was for me! I was really disappointed as all my plans seemed to fly out of the window. I just couldnt figure out how I would be able to "enjoy" two babies at once!! For at least a week I could hardly sleep and felt so bitter and resentful towards fate... I lost a pregnancy because I had cancer a few years ago..this was supposed to be my revenge, and I felt I was being punished for wanting too much...

Then all the fears about a twin pregnancy took over, anxiety over the amnio (I'm 40)... And financial worries. The first 4 months were not easy, i was so worried about everything. I did not have a proper turning point, but sliwly I have become attached to the babies (a biy and a girl), seeing them on the scans has helped a lot and also when I started feeling them move. I am now nearly 27 weeks and frankly I cant wait for them to be born! They feel like my babies already and were it possible, now I would never go back and choose to have a single pregnancy. They are already part if the family.

Sorry for the ling selfreferential post, just wanted ro say all you are feeling is perfectly normal, give yourself time and it will be fine.

dream i also seen to be pigging out more than usual and getting choc cravings, which I dont normally get! Scared I'll put on too much weight though, should really be more careful!!

Hugs to everyone sorry if I havent mentioned someone!

What a lovely post claire. I feel the same as you and dream cannot imagine for a minute not being pg with twins now and can't wait to have them in our lives.

Carrie all your feelings are 100% natural, it is a complete emotional rollercoaster hearing and coming to terms with the news. I remember the feelings of inadequacy "I'll never be able to cope with this, I can't do this". Just roll with it, and keep reading and posting on the tread - most of what keeps me sane is knowing I am not the only one this is all happening to so hopefully it will be the same for you!

Just had my 30 week community midwife apt - I always come out of these feeling flat as I feel she is a bit scatty and all over the place and I never come away feeling I have got much out of the whole experience. Today was,

MW "You are 30+4, why am I seeing you so late for your 28 weeks apt"
Me "This is my 30 week apt, I had my 28 wk apt at twins clinic with the Consultant"
MW "Oh, yes, you are having twins aren't you.... don't know why they don't just do all your apts up there...."

MW

*tomorrow afresh, duh

thanks ravenlocks your mw doesn't sound very helpful...good think you are also seeing the consultant!! I also have this doubt, because I get lots of movements but can't tell if it's one or the other, i couldn't even tell that there's two if I didn't know...

2 more days before my scan I can hardly wait....

ps apologies for all the misspellings in previous posts, iphone-typing I'm afraid!

Hope everyone else is ok, still no news from twin...

Blimey raven, I wouldn't find that reassuring!!! I know they can never be sure to find 2 heartbeats for twins with a doppler, but even so I'd worry (I am a worrier though). When I went to a mw drop-in clinic at 16+4 with spotting and strong braxton hicks she sent me up to the hospital for a scan as she said at any stage really doppler is hard with twins. I'd rather they not do it at all to avoid me being totally paranoid concerned. Bp and urine checks at least were useful but the rest sounds like a waste of time... I don't see a mw again unless the consultant asks me to nearer the end. I'm quite glad, as I found them full of nonsense last time!!! Got some odd advice, that the gp corrected for me.

Claire, that was a lovely post. Sounds like a really rocky journey to having the twins but I'm sure they'll bring so much joy.

Stories like yours make me feel even luckier. I had an early miscarriage at 5 weeks before I had my dd, then had a normal pregnancy with her, if a hard birth, and now to be having twins... There must be couples everywhere who'd give their right arm to have what I've got. And this doesn't mean it'll go wrong, I've just been very fortunate

Hope you're feeling a bit better today Carrie, did you get anything for the vomiting?

I think twin has had the babies and that's why she's disappeared, I'm on tenterhooks to find out!!!