Shagged out viroids - JS Grads 2

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Our old thread ran out of space! The horror!

Just putting a wee reminder to tell you about a documentary I saw a few years back in relation to the whole gender thing. It's actually a really sad story, but still very interesting.

Taking a family trip to Lidl for biscuits milk now. Poor DH and DS I've been spending more and more time in bed as I am KNACKERED. 37 weeks tomorrow, so anytime now LO, Please.

I know i'm overthinking it, though, I can't help it

I was given loads of baby clothes, and the lady who gave them to me had bought pink newborn stuff as well as blue, so she kept saying "oh, if it's a girl, you can chuck the blue stuff, or the pink stuff if it's aboy"
I was too much "look how many free clothes!" to wrroy about colour - who cares if a newborn boy is in pink?!
the clothes will be changed 30 times a day anyway!
I was explaining all that to a friend of mine and all she replied was "just don't put a boy in the pink if you're going out, though. that's going too far"

I think it's other people that do the damage, like you say about your friend and the whole pink thing.

I will make it clear that I don't mind any toys, and that a girl doesn't necessarily mind having "boys' toys" or vice versa (without it sounding like I'm dictating what people will buy )

one thing I do in my shop when customers say "i've got to buy a present for a (say) 8yo girl" is immediately ask if she's a girly girl or a normal one (I still ahven't worked out how to say normal without mocking the girly girls) (truth, i normally say "or not" not "or normal" )
about half of the times, they'll say "oh, no, she's not girly"
but they allowed me to assume it, had I been that way inclined....

yeay!
Our wardrobe has arrived!
Which means I can start emptying the baby's room of my crap and put it all in our bedroom!

LOL Star my nappies were bought solely on what I thought were cute (rather than boy colours) - although I admit to steering away from floral totsbots...it makes me weep that he'll crap over them In any case they will be covered by clothes. If we are lucky enough to have DC2 and it is a she then she'll wear the same (hahaha...already kidding myself that I wouldn't purchase some florals...!)

Good shopping pretence COAAF (milk) - I just went to our cafe to stretch my legs and for a mint tea and a muffin

Nickel when I was growing up I can't really remember being girly or not IYSWIM? My bedroom was pink - my choice (I think), I had Barbies and my little pony (horse mad!!) but I have 2 younger brothers (we are all 18 months apart), that and all the time at the stables I definately wasn't a skirt/dress girl or even overtly pink - although I do have a wonderfully awful, professional '80s photo (you know, full on blue swirl background) of me being about 18 months in pink osh kosh dungarees...I think the pink blue dressing in public is just to avoid awkward situatations. And by which I mean when bloody nosey random strangers paw all over look at your newborn and coo "Awh, isn't he/she sweet"....in fact sod it. The nosey buggers can feel as awkwward as they like . Strangely I have a bigger aversion to yellow. No idea why, bloody hate it in baby clothes (sorry for all those who have purchsed yellow!) That said, a kind friend has given us shed loads of clothes (some brand new) and there is no way I was going to turn down some onesies just cos they were yellow!

God, waffled on...sorry

exactly!
there just wasn't this divide when we were kids (well, when I was one - i'm very old)
and I'm actually looking forward to the old interfering dears getting confused with the boy in pink, or the girl in blue

I don't like yellow clothes much.
not got anything against yellow for wall paint, though.
think it looks spring-like.
(wouldn't go lemon, though, yellow paint has to be bright)

We're going for English mustard for our walls

lovely.
[boak]

it's a bit strong isn't it?

We've gone lemon on the walls

I wanted minty green, but DH thought it looked like toothpaste.

Thing is, I love toothpaste . And mint aeros.

it might have felt cold in winter.

my toothpaste is red, white and blue stripey

I like yellow for little kids (would look all wrong with my skin tone though, so just keep it to flowers).
I also don't mind pink for babies, I just hate that there is very little choice of other colours. If there was more of a balance, I wouldn't have such intense feelings of hate towards it.

Nickel there is a danger that Currant Bun is going to have lots of robots foisted on it (though they've become very popular this year, so I may find myself going off them fast ). Mostly because I've fallen in love with a robot rag doll from M&Ps. They have a boy one and a girl one, and even though the girl one is pink, it's a lovely bright, dark pink. Haven't bought the doll yet cause want the right sexed doll for CB, though I'm tempted to get CB both, or if CB is a girl to get DS the boy doll, so they have one each. To be honest I really want the doll for me not the kids .

So the documentary I mentioned earlier is going to take me ages to write about so I'll let the power of google do it for me. Basically the outcome is you can't mess with nature, but you can screw someone up for life by trying.

I'll have a look at that later.

Isbn is going to have lots of space and dinosaurs regardless of boy/girlness.
I might have to source a pink rocket if it's a boy.

What about a nice bright orange one like in Wallace and Gromit? Orange is a great little kids colour and apparently good for stimulating the creative part of their brain.

no, if it's a boy it has to be pink.
I can't have people thinking that I'm stereotyping.

DH loves orange...to the degree he may become a Tango ad

Completely changing the subject...CowboyLover is almost certainly CowboyMuvver by now! Can't wait to hear

we need to know, don't we?
she must be very busy...

this is her post from yesterday o nthe May thread:
"That's great news GotArt Congratulations!

On examination cervix still high so after discussion had the gel at 9pm started contractions regular 2 in 10 then waters broke at 3.30am
Still contracting and snoozing when I can so not sure of what's the next plan.

So excited the baby is getting closer now "

that's the last thing she's posted....

Wooooh how exciting about cowboy :) i want to know!!

confessions I've read about opposite cases (there's a famous one in Foucault) about people who've been raised male or female (because of 'wrong' sex identification at birth) and then 'reassigned' once it's realised that their genitals (or chromosomes or hormones - none of which are enough on their own to determine sex) are revealed to be the opposite. With similarly suicidal results. Difficult to decide whether it's 'nature' or society either way ... then there are all those cases of female athletes whose sex/gender is suddenly called into question. Hard ever to know how much we're making up what we think is 'natural' culturally and projecting it backwards, or vice versa, I think ...

Orange! Mmmmm .... orange aeros ....

Anyone heard of Handy Manny? My friend has two two-year-old nieces who love Handy Manny and have his tool set :)

It's been busy on here today! I have had a nice day in town and had my nails manicured. I love being pampered :)

Don't really have views on the gender stereotyping. When I was younger I would only wear pink, but was still classed as a tomboy. Think pink skirt, polo shirt, knee high white socks and then muddy shoes. I don't mind what colour my little boy wears. I like bright colours like green. Don't like the baby yellow colour either. I think the nursery will be jungle themed, but that is more my theme than for the baby. I was swaying towards space theme for similar reasons to nickel. My niece has a princess theme and I think it is a bit much. I'm not convinced it is healthy for little girls to think they are princesses. I also find it really embarrassing when u cant tell the gender of the baby and it gets u are dirty look. Erm, actually I do have some opinions.

Oh, and I have seen Handy manny. Not sure what the popular opinion is, but I thought it was good. My three year old nephew had picked up basic spanish words from it, which can't be a bad thing!

How funny Nickel I was thinking I should go have a wee look at the May thread to see if Cowboy had updated there what a bunch of impatient stalkers viroids we are

There is no theme in our 'nursery' other than guest room dull, sadly. The fun of renting and having no money. DS did have farm yard animals in his last room, but right before we moved out he decided he didn't like them anymore. When we have some money again, I'll have to find the kids some new robot wall stickers and maybe change the curtains too.

Haven't seen Handy Manny (think he's only on Sky?), but DS loves being a fireman and watching Bob the Builder just as much as he loves 'helping' with the house work and cooking (pretend or real). All good skills for a well rounded man to have I say

The cases of ambiguous genitalia in a child and which sex to raise them as has ever been a tough one to call and the current approach is if the sex can't be clearly defined by DNA testing, to raise the child as neither and wait for it to become apparent as the child matures. I saw one case on TV where the person even as an adult didn't clearly identify as either male or female yet she seemed quite happy. It's a hard subject when there are problems thrown in by nature (after all trans-gender people have completely unambiguous genitalia at birth, but still feel mis-assigned). It's really when there is no problem with nature, but nuture tries to impose something completely different on it for it's on f*ed up reasons. The sad thing about the case I mentioned is that now days, with advances in surgery technics Dr's would have been able to repair (if not not fully correct) the damage done to the little boy, thus allowing him to lead a normal life, as a boy!

Few that's a lot of thinking for so early in the morning!! Esp while trying to hold down conversation with a 3 year old.

Oh yeah, at the Tang coloured husband.

Baby2b

I'm fully expecting people to have to ask whether my baby is a boy or a girl, because I don't think it should be judged until it's been introduced (i know what I mean)

yes, Conffesh - that's an interesting subject and debate, isn't it.
I do want my child to be physically boy or girl, (ie one or the other not boy/girl!), but I want it to be able to feel as happy with all toys and clothes, not just the ones assumed to be designed for it.

I think that of course, even clothing aside, have such crimes to answer to - I saw in the window of Mothercare yesterday 2 paddling pools - one blue, one pink! I mean, how is that appropriate?
get the pink one because the first child is a girl, then the second turns out to be a boy! then wht! do they have to sit in separate pools? only have their friends over?
things like that should not be genderized.
and other toys like cars, trucks, animals (yes, i've seen pink and blue teddy bears, kittens etc), play cookers and irons etc, cash tills!, should all be bright colours, not assigned to boy or girl.

I feel terrible today. Was up late last night being sick. Had awful heartburn and now feel hungover? Think it needs to be a pj day. Sorry for the whinge.

It think u have hit the nail on the head nickel. The pink/ blue items are often to encourage more purchases rather than reusing items for each child. I think having everything baby pink or blue is a bit bland for sensory development too.

Coaf, my little boy won't have a nursery until we buy our house when he is 2 months old. He will be either in our room our our rentals very grown up spare room. Unless dh let's me have a jungle themed duvet, lol.

Frak, how is motherhood going? Can't wait for us all to be on a jsing postnatal thread.

Brassica, how are u? I have seen the twins thread are having a really tough time at the moment. There are some really brave women on there.

:( Baby2b. poor you.
I know that feeling.
I had hangover for several days running, and I had to get up and go to work on it. :(

yes! good point about sensory development! I hadn't even thought about that one!