feb 2011 - waving those pom poms

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just to start a new (and possibly last) ante natal thread - come on knitta

Afraid Ledkrs right, I have fab in-laws, although its taken almost 20 years of hard work to train them to be that way They weren't all that fond of me when we first met, it was the smoking, the propensity to curse and the fact that they loved his girlfriend before me that led us to a few awkward years!!

ledkr I am actually snorting with laughter!!

angels no constructive advice but I do know what you mean, when DD1 was 6 weeks my ILs took her for a walk in her pram, I thought it'd be a 5 minute jobby but HALF AN HOUR LATER they were still out, I was going frantic, running round the field (was at an ag show) trying to find my BABY. Was going to say I wouldn't mind with DD2 but actually I would, I'd feel exactly the same. However if they took DD1 off for half an hour I'd be sending them away again for another hour or so!!

Angels I felt the exact same way when I had Ben. I really struggled with letting anyone hold him, let alone have him on their own. I think it's a normal feeling to have, especially with your first born. with Noah I just pass him over to anyone and leave them to it!

Thank you to people for not making me feel too mad and overprotective. PIL came over today but luckily didn't push (today) to take Alice away from me (think she saves that for DH as she knows he'll say yes). She was telling me how when her other gc were born SIL/BIL wdouln't always let her hold them - so obv it's not just me in our family that think she has odd behaviour (I didn't say that to her though ). I was thinking last night too - DH hasn't even had time alone with Alice without me (well, he's had time alone with her when I'm in the house or down the road, but I've never left her with him just as it's never come up that I need to). Seriously - she's pushing for time alone with her when DH hasn't even looked after her without me . Poor Alice was shattered when they left as MIL doesn't seem to have down time with her and will make her look and play with toys no matter now tired she gets (cue being left an upset and over tired baby after they go).

Hope everyone is well and enjoy their bank holiday tomorrow - seems like so many blooming bank hols at the min, and DH has none of the off

Hello, hope you are all having a wonderful long weekend. No holidays here unfortunately. Managed to catch the wedding live as S woke up conveniently at 2 am for a feed so I thought I might as well!

A street party for Jane sounds a great idea. Hope you've also had a fantastic christening for Anna wiggles. Can you post some photos when you get a chance?!

Don't worry about the PILs just yet as A is very young still. Can you pop out and get your hair done or something quite quick but nice so your dh can have some alone time? When you have got a bit more used to leaving her with dh, you can maybe build up to a quick lunch out? But you have to do it when you are ready and 9 weeks is no time at all.

Just had the best day today. 2 friends with kids the same age as mine came over so there were the 3 of us, a 3 yr old, a 2 yr old, a 1 yr old and 2 11 wk old babies. It was bloody lovely, we just chatted and the big(ger) children played together and the babies fed and slept. We none of us are drinkers at all, but one friend brought 2 bottles of Lambrini- we polished off a bottle and a half in about 1/2 an hour then all went really giggly and light headed! It was so much fun- I know a bit tame especially for YOU ledkr !!

wiggles hope the christening went well and no evil in laws reared their ugly heads...!!!

S has been Hard Work today- she fed at 5,7,9,11,1,3,5,7 then 7.30 before bed tonight. There was a little sleep between each of these. She was SO TIRED by early afternoon really, but wouldn't sleep past the 2 hours between feeds mark. My boobs are ACHING! Do they have a growth spurt at 3 months?? Please say yes cos I can't keep this up!

Deb i think so yes,baby D has been the same (but on the bottle) every 2-2.5 hrs and hardly any sleep between,dh was on a late yesterday and i had a hangover so it was chaos,me and Ella ate our dinner at 8.30pm and went straight to bed then.The house was a tip and i just didnt have the energy,dh came in at 10.30 and when i woke up at midnight he was still up gawping at the tv so this am D woke at 6 and i told him he could deal with her as he clearly didnt need as much sleep as me glad you had alovely day tho and i also have fun sober...sometimes...not oftn tho...

I felt a bit guiilty but slept until 9am and i needed it as he has yet another late shift today.

How did the christening go wiggles?I have just told pils the date for ours and will invite the whoe family but i am not putting anyone up,mbest friend is the godmother and lives away so she will have priority and will lso HELP which the pils wont as they will be eating drinking or showering.

This is funny girls.On our night out we went into a club toilet and there was a drunken pasty girl in there crying as her 2 mates tried to comfort her.
After my wee and a quick lippy check i said to them
"look girls,im not being funny but she's very pissed and has a waxy palour,my advice would be a bit of blush and stick her in a cab!"
it was so funny,the entire ladies toilets started to laugh and my friends were in hysterics.My friend said its my funniest line yet.

Hilarious Ledkr!
Girls, I have be honest, I am really struggling again. Noah has been really unsettled in the evenings and not going to bed after his last feed, he ended up in bed with us several times last night. I'm feeling so down, I only got out of bed half hour ago, as feel so shit. It's really hard not to resent your baby when their keeping you up half the night. What makes it worse it that my sister and cousins baby's have just started going through the night, and Noahs getting worse! Don't know whether I'm coming or going! I'm going to get gripe water and maybe try a dummy as he seems to be a very sucky baby. Dh also thinks he doesn't need so much sleep in the day.
Hope the christening went well yesterday Wiggles and hope your all well

Hi folks, back from my mums which was lovely, spent most of the time in the pub

Am feeling so tired today for no real reason, bensmum I really feel for you, I may be tired but the "lack of sleep" tired you're feeling really is something else, "next level tired" as my dp called it in the early days with dd. Hope the dummy helps, we've found it really helps with dd so good luck!

at ledkr I would bloody love to be a fly on the wall on one of your nights out! :)

angels I agree with what everyone else has said re MIL, I would feel the same and I've got a feeling my MIL will be the same when we see them Can you get yourself a hair appt or something and leave A with dh for a bit though? Think its bout time

deb at the amount of feeds yest! Sounds like lots of the babies might be going through a growth spurt at the mo?

I'm off to have a lie down on the sofa for a bit now, don't know why I'm so tired today, what a waste of the nice weather...

Hi everyone, hope everyone has had a good bank holiday weekend!

Jane I will be thinking of you on Thursday.

Bensmum I'm sorry that you've been feeling down. Hope you feel better soon.

I asked the doctor if I can go back on Citalopram. I started taking it again yesterday. I'm not feeling down or depressed, just feeling wound up most days like I could put my fist through a wall and I feel like I need something to calm me down (anxious?) I started to take it yesterday so hopefully it will start tomake me feel better soon.

Wiggles, I meant to ask - have your periods returned yet? Sorry for the personal question but DD2 is 10 weeks tomorrow and mine haven't returned either . I'm definitely not pg and not BFing either so was thinking that they should have returned by now. I keep getting niggly period type pains but so far no show!

Ledkr I'm of your night out! I can't wait to go on a proper night out. We went out last Thursday to our neighbour's wedding do but it wasn't the same as the DCs came and I only had two drinks as I was worried about being able to get up for DD2. We've had a couple of family parties recently too but it's not the same as going to a few bars and a club .

Hi ladies, hope you all had a good weekend!

bensmum sorry to hear you are not feeling the best, i hope Noah has a good sleep tonight.

wandering You are not the only one, Zoe would have been 9 weeks today and i still have no period i am defo not pregnant as that would have to involve in DTD, not brace enough for that yet!
I hope the pills take effect soon so you feel better.

Has anyone heard from knitta, hope she is ok?

Knitta hasn't posted in a while, neither has Zero. I hope they're both ok! We never heard from Prof either. I wonder how she is?

Wandering, hope the pills start working soon. It took about three weeks for me, my main worry was the anxiety, its such an awful feeling.
I'm back on the pill but the last period I had was awful, it was so heavy. Am due to come off the pill again next weekend but might skip it as cant face it again.
Jane, please let us know how it goes this week. You are always in our thoughts, especially when I'm having a moan about Noah not sleeping etc. I;m very lucky to have him, whether he is sometimes a pain or not!
I was trying to think today of who we haven't heard from on here for a while. I wonder where they all are and hope their ok.
Debka, wow, S fed loads yesterday! I am thinking the babies have multiple growth spurts all the time, as Noah will feeds loads for a few days then drop the amount he feeds by loads! He seems to be back on track today, and managed a two hour nap in his cot late this afternoon. I had to wake him at 6 for his bottle! I used the dummy and cuddled him until he had fallen into a deep enough sleep that I could put him down. I watched him on the monitor just before I got him up and he was snuggling back down to sleep. Hopefully the gripe water is doing the trick too, as he really did seem quite uncomfortable at times.
Dh is feeding him his last bottle now, so fingers crossed he settles ok tonight.

Evening all, well Annas baptism was fab. The weather was brillant so no-one, especially those with chocolaty fingers got near Mums new sofas Anna was a dote throughout the whole thing, there were three other babies being baptised but she was by far the most beautiful and best behaved!!! She was a bit moany to begin with, but when the priest came over to bless her eyes, ears etc, she was all smiles and giggles - not sure what it is but she deffo has a thing for men in uniform. Will have to break it to her that a priest not the best option but at least she could sell her story and look after her ageing mother

But most importantly bil and family were so friendly, bought beautiful gifts, really chatty with my family etc , I really don't care if they were faking it it just made everything so much easier.

wanderingsheep and jane Anna is 11 weeks tomorrow and my periods came back on Sat - much, much heavier than usual but not at all painful. Mine would usually be quite lightish so bit of a surprise, had to dig out some mat towels from a few months ago - sorry if tmi!!

wandering well done for asking the doctor to go back on Citalopram, sometimes we need all the help we can get. I was on medication for Anxiety a long time ago and they definitely helped after a few weeks.

Jane we are all holding your hand this week xxx

Am going to try and post some photos!!

Glad you had a lovely day Wiggles! Aww, your DDs are so cute! Anna is beautiful . I love the pic of your DD2 all smiles and that cake is fab .

Aah what lovely photos wiggles, love A's dress, beautiful :)

wandering I was taking citalopram a few years ago and found it really helped me, just felt a bit shit for a couple of weeks until it kicked in then much better. Just re-read and seen you're going back on it so assume you already know this oops sorry

I have been reading the old threads recently, I hardly ever posted on them (naughty ponyo) and there are a lot of names I don't see on here. Hopefully will hear from knitta and others soon...

omg i have written long posts to everyone and lost them twice grrrrrrrr its so annoying.I cannot be arsed now but needless to say
wiggles lovely pics and well done on nice day.
wandering hope you feel better soon,try exercis for anxiety,works a treat.
jane nice to hear from you my periods came back dead on 4 8 and 12 weeks,very heavy tho not normally.
bensmum just like me,i hate it when she doesnt sleep.Also people say their babies are sleeping thru and it often 11-5am or 12 hrs with a feed at 2 so dont think about it too much,D is ok at the mo but is a bit arsey settling at night,had last bottle at 7.15 and didnt settle properly until 8.30.Noah seems to know the difference between day and night so you are halfway there.I must admit i do try and wake D if she sleeps too long in the day esp when its in the evening she also has a long bath before last bottle,she has about 3 cat naps of about half to one hr and feeds every 2-3 hrs,that seems to produce a fairly good nights sleep.Hope hes better tonight,i wouldnt beat yourself up about him coming into your bed as long as you get some sleep.
Off to settle Els now,she's back at school tmw.

Thanks for the hand holding girls, i sure will need it, im so bloody scared about thursday!

wiggles i'm so glad A's baptism went well, she looks so beautiful in her dress!

Hope you all manage a full nights sleep tonight.

Merci buckets ladies, feeling a certain relief that christening is over. Feel that since Anna was born have had to race from one big family kerfuffle to another. Whilst sis wedding was brillant and so happy for her, it was quite stressful so soon after Anna's birth and all the nonsense over bil etc I think have been on edge slightly

Glad you liked Annas dress, we got it for dd1's christening and have used it for each of the girls. I usually get the girls christened earlier, so Anna filled it out a bit better, although her frilly knickers slipped right down - still a bit of a skinny malink!!!!

Must give you a laugh, there were three other babies being christened and one of the other families were sitting opposite us, in the shortest dresses ever seen, they were sitting legs akimbo and I swear I could see right up their vajazzles, think Mr W was about to arrest them for indecent exposure or soliciting, my poor Dad was sitting behind us and he was getting a birds eye view, not sure he fully understood what he was seeing but it was very funny, not often I feel sorry for a priest but the poor man looked infear for his life when he was over with them.

bensmum hope you are getting some sleep, lack of sleep is so draining, there's a reason its used as a torture method!!! Re other people - lots of people fib about their babies sleeping. I remember when the amazing non-sleeper (dd2) was a few months old, it seemed that everyones baby was sleeping through and I felt so shit, then when dd1 started nursery school, I told another mum how bad I felt about dd2 not sleeping and she told me her baby still wasn't sleeping, then all these other mums came over and said the same thing. It was like everyone was embarrased to say their baby wasn't sleeping . Agree with what ledkr said people incl health visitors count midnight - 5am as technically sleeping through the night .

Yes, according to the "No cry sleep solution" woman (I forget her name), medically speaking "sleeping through" is about 5 hours which isn't ebloodynough is it?

DD2 isn't too bad at night but my days are starting at 5 am because she can NOT sleep when it gets light. She hardly sleeps during the day so I think we'll be investing in a black out blind.

She's going into DD1's room in a couple of weeks. I don't want her to...I'll miss her .

Thanks for the support re the citalopram. Hopefully I won't need it for too long but if it helps then what harm can it do!

wandering.you are so patient,id have been to the blackout blind shop at once,i have one but the light pokes thru the gaps so ive been up there sealing them all,she slept till 7.30 at my sis and she has very heavy curtains so nice dark room D will be in her own room when she grows out of her basket which i think will be before 6 months as she is tiny but quite long too.

Morning all!!

I agree about the sleeping through thing- everyone calls something different sleeping through, my friend doesn't put her baby to bed till 11pm and she gets up at 7am- calls that sleeping through! No- in my book it's 12 hours, and S hasn't done that!

wandering we are v much in favour of the blackout blinds too, S doesn't have one yet and seems to be managing (fingers crossed), but DD1 always needed one and still has one.

bensmum sending lots of calm and sympathy your way :)

wiggles glad the christening was such a good day, lovely photos and ha ha at the vajazzles!! In CHURCH as well!!!

S has suddenly got way more vocal- she was lying on my chest as I was sitting on the sofa this morning, looking straight at me, and chatting away with these little aaahs and oohs- I think when she learns to talk she'll be one of those who never stops. When do they start holding toys? I've forgotten.

DD1 is grim at the moment, she seems so tired all the time, but is sleeping 12.5 or 13 hours a night plus 2 hours in the day. She's not eating much, and I think she's teething cos she says her mouth hurts. All she seems to say now is MUMMY and NO and lots of crying, both fake and real. It's bloody exhausting and I am rapidly going off her. Anyone got any tips?

Thanx for all your messages of support. Do feel a little better today. Noah settled straight after his last feed at 8 last night. Dh used dummy after his 10.30 feed, then we didn't hear from him til he cried at 4.30. I held his dummy in his mouth and he settled quickly until 6ish when we brought him into bed, so not bad at all.
Wiggles, the photos are lovely, looks like you had a fab day.
Both Noah and Ben have stick on black out blinds! Ben has always had a blind and has always slept well.
Debka, I used the homeopathic sachets from Boots when Ben was teething and they were always fab, plus kept him dosed up on Calpol!
I'm not sure when the babies start holding toys. I hold things in Noahs hands, but when I let go he drops them!

Bensmum Glad you had a better night, sounds like Noah did really well, I know its hard with having Ben but you make sure you rest when you get the chance xx

Debka God I hate "fake" tears,we suffer from them a lot with dd2, dd1 can just turn them off and on at will - would be quite funny if it wasn't so bloody annoying Agree with preventative Calpol, I also went through a lot of cheap Tesco ice-lollies with mine. The "Nooooo" could just be her age as well, sorry!!

Anna will hold a soft bear that rattles in her hand for a while, but she loves grabbing muslin cloths and trying to stuff them in her mouth, that and the bottom of her dress, she discovered Mr W's nose was definitely attached to his face last night despite her best attempts to pull it off.

Debka-how old is dd1?I cant remember that far back with older dcs,i think Els was a whinger but she went to nursery from 5 months so i didnt have to worry too much Yes thats my recommendation-nursery!!

Bensmum-sounds better and at least he knows what night and day is,it makes me feel all jealous and gooey when you say he snuggles up with you in bed,D is so feisty and growls and pushes me away if i do that,i did put her in with E this am to wake her up which E loved.