feb 2011 - waving those pom poms

[slowangels1]

just to start a new (and possibly last) ante natal thread - come on knitta

Gosh what alot to read.
hubbard great news about freya,at least its working and i dont blame you about the naughty time out of the harness.
D is being bathed by Dad and big sis at the mo,she cries abit when gets out but i think shes just chilly and a bit cross its over.
My period came a bout 8 wks after birth-painfull and heavy be warned.
I know Noahs snuffles are from his cold but i have to say that D is very snuffly in the early morning after her first feed of the day she only sleeps for about an hr cos the snuffles wake her.Fine if her first feed is 7ish but not so good if its at 3am Dh had her last night due to my hysteria
i felt very sane and rational today,i have decided that i am floating on the top of pnd and tiredness triggers it off iyswim.
Thanks bensmum for bravely admitting the "i didnt want a blooy baby" comments,i felt terrible especially when i think of Janeand Zoe,but i dont mean it.Was your Ben quite older and independent when Noah was born?
Who ever asked about the baby whisperer-i think shes fab,the easy routine has really helped me and dd.
We are putting our foot down with naughty d,she can forget her nice early nights from now on,we aim for about 9 now so the mornings are later.
hope you are all well,ill check out the fat thread,been doing ww all day today but am still not size 12,

Angels just wait until you start pointing out "interesting" facts to an empty car eg "ooh look at all those cows", or there's the constant rocking even when baby is not with you (noticed a thread on this), or when you automatically head for the baby clothes section even if you're supposed to be buying clothes for yourself .

Well postnatal check all ok, well no real check as such, although Dr kept trying to push me to go on the pill which was really weird as I haven't been on the pill for over 12 years But I do have a very severe sore throat and fluid filled ears, according to Dr its a viral thing , so feeling very sorry for myself but all 3 girls are asleep so watching Growing Up Fabulous on E

Know a couple of mums who are using a lavender diffuser in room where baby is sleeping and it seems to be helping difficult sleepers, think babies may be a little older than ours but thought I would mention it.

Bensmum Hope Noah is a little easier tonight xx

Ledkr, Ben is 3.6 years old, and was just becoming more independent and easier before Noah was born. I really enjoy Ben and hated the baby stage with him so kinda knew I'd struggle with another baby.
We are trying to get Noah to go to bed later but he quite often naps until 5pm and can only then make it until about 8ish. When he makes it later to bed he feeds later in the morning, but we can't always force it!

Yeah me too,D slept about 6pm so i just plonked her in chair with no blanket so she didnt get too cosy and she napped for about 20mins,managed to delay her until 8.30 she has been waking about 5 but not properly awake just snuffling as if has a cold (anyone else find this?) dh said he picked her up then but had to work hard to wake her to feed WTF? i told him he shouldnt do this,it looks as if we may have to put up with it for a bit but i am certainly not waking her up just for stiring.My problem is she doesnt go back down for about an hr and a half so its time to get up with Ella then.Am hoping to lose this bad habit during Ellas easter hols which start now woo.
How was last night? Imagine how i am with my 8yr gap and my previous independent life style.Id have been off to Ibiza for the holidays in the good old days-in a bikini as well grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Noah was bit better last night. Fed after bath at7.30 then bed at 8.30. He woke at 3.30am for a feed then back to bed but slept and stirred very noisily until he cried at 6.30am. As we didn't want to feed him and start our day yet we brought him into bed with us and he slept til 8! Ben woke before 6 though for a poo!
My dh keeps telling me it will all get easier and that we will get our lives back when Noah is older!
Tried Noah in biscotti for his first nap this morning, it took about half hour of me going in and out then he slept for 20 minutes! Guess it's better than nothing!
My word, he has just the smelliest poo ever! I'm shocked that a child of mine could produce something so disgusting!!

Bensmum Glad last night was a bit easier for you, Noah is sleeping/ feeding almost exactly the same times as Anna at night, only we get up at 6.30am. When dd1 is at school I need up around this time anyway so not too bad. Annas' poos have been particularly whiffy the past few days, yesterday we had a leaky poo, not pleasant

Ledkr Hope you enjoy some time with Ella during her holidays, dd1 doesn't stop for 2 weeks, but Mr W is scheduled to work nights all over Easter so looks like I'll have to help the girls munch through their eggs. Have sent away Annas passport, starting to get really excited about the holiday but have 2 months to try and look semi decent in a swimsuit, not even going to try bikini. At a push and only if a miracle weight-loss occurs might try a tankini!!!

bens mum that is exactly what d does,will go back to sleep but noisy and snuffly.How weird. I want to put her in her room but dh is being pfb and says we will have to move to spare room on that floor.Is he mad?Like im going to give up my ensuite and freeview yeah right.I suggested he could do so if he wished to.
Wiggles,i am looking forward to not having to rush to school and do packed lunches,am just looking at mon to fri breaks for us for the 2nd week.the obvious thing to do is to go straight from visiting pils in essex to one on the way back but i know from past experience that if we do that they will "visit" constantly and can i get dh to lie about where we are going?It means a longer drive to go elsewhere but i think Ella would love a break.Can you take the babies swimming after their 1st jabs?

Do you think it's time we moved to post natal? I keep noticing 'due in december' etc on the board and getting all broody! THIS IS NOT GOOD!!

ledkr you can take them swimming even before 1st jabs.

angels have you had your GTT yet? I got my results yesterday and I am Normal again, v relieved.

Got a parcel yesterday from DH's slightly mad aunt. She sent for Sabine a thick babygrow type thing in age 9-12mo which is weird enough (I mean, she's big, but not that big!), then for DD1 who is TWO, she sent some 6-8 YEAR OLD sized T-shirts!!! No note, nothing, just that. What on earth do I say on a thank you note??!!

oh i so love a mad aunt,mine used to tickle us untill we puked and send gifts she had won at the fair.
Its so hot here,D is in a cute gap dress with frilly socks ahhhh.

speaking of poos ALice has a mammouth epic explosive smelly windy long lasting poo this morning . Luckily, it was 10 minutes after we got back home from a shopping trip

debka not done GTT yet. Tbh I had forgotten and keep hoping they forget to chase me up and I don't have to bother. Can you tell I really can't be bothered to do it?!

debka I can beat your aunts gift I think - my MIL randomly brought us an AGE 9 pair of tights for alice

I'm laughing at the random gifts you guys have been given. You'll have to store them away for when your little ones finally grow into them.
I need opinions please. I've just put Noah down for a nap in his Moses basket and have noticed recently that he likes sleeping on his side with his thumb/fist in his mouth. So Ive turned him on his side and propped him up with cushions and he's fast asleep! I have a camera on him and am watching to make sure he is safe. If I was to 'fashion' a wedge out of towels do you think am keeping him safe enough. I'd love to think he can now sleep on his own for naps but want to make sure he's safe.
Ledkr, I gave dh the choice the other night that either Noah slept in his cot alone or my dh had to sleep in with him. I refused to sleep in with Noah myself. He soon agreed that Noah would be perfectly safe!
The weather here is gorgeous too. Were heading to the beach front later for a walk and fish and chips - yum

Dd slept from 10.30 last night till about 5am - she was really snuffly and grunty too but I ignored her and managed to sort of sleep through the grunting til 7am!!
Felt like I should have got up and got her a bottle but she wasn't crying, just noisy, so left her and she was fine!

bensmum dd seemed much more comfy on her side from birth, she slept on her side all night in hospital! So I used to lie her down on her side to sleep from day one at home, especially during the day when I knew I'd be keeping an eye on her. Plus my mum told me thats how she was told by mw to put me and my sister to sleep - on my side with a towel behind me so I didn't roll onto my back So I'm sure Noah will be fine :)

deb MIL bought us size 3 nappies when I was only about 5 months pg Tbh if it was anyone else I'd be a bit grateful but b'cos its her I just moaned to dp that now we've got a big pack of nappies taking up room that dd won't be in for ages - I'm so ungrateful.

One thing about noisy snuffly babies - dd only makes that noise in the early hours - she's so peaceful when first asleep. Wierd.

BensMum Anna sleeps much better on her side especially for naps during the day in her moses basket.

Re: weird gifts - friends of my mum bought us some very expensive babygros made out of velour - for a newborn - not the most practical. However they left the gift receipt with me - at how expensive they were, but have exchanged them for a whole load of clothes for dd1 and dd2 . I also have some relatives in America, sent us a really formal dress complete with dress coat and hat - Anna looked like she she was ready to attend the funeral of a Kennedy!!!!

Gorgeous weather here too, going to a family fun day at park tomorrow, well I'm taking dd1 and dd2, Mr W is watching Anna at home, think he's got the good end of the deal

bensmum I'd definitely put him to sleep on his side, side is fine AFAIK, it's oj their front that's not so good. Sounds like you are doing all the sensible things to help yourself cope, and when you are happier and calmer and better rested, your kids will benefit. I think so much parenting nowadays is too child focused, it's about us too and our well-being as mothers.

angels you definitely win!! I quite enjoyed my GTT, got a whole quiet morning at the hospital with no 2yo . They didn't pester me at all, I booked it up, I am so obedient! I was relieved to get the results though.

wiggles I love it when that happens and you have the receipt and can go and get what YOU want!

DH goes away tomorrow to his parents and we (me and the DDs) are staying here. I am a little bit nervous but mostly looking forward to it! He works from home so we never get any time apart, TBH I think that is a big reason why our relationship can be a bit tense. I'm taking the girls to the beach in the morning tomorrow, can't wait! Just hope DD1 doesn't decide to bury S in the sand....

Thanks guys. Dh said Noah slept for over an hour on his side this afternoon o yippee!
Isn't is weird how many of our little ones are quite snuffly and noisy after their early morning feeds? Must just be a baby thing!

bensmum did you put noah on his side last night? did he do any better?

I am now an advocate of any of mama ledkrs advice - have done swaddling at night the past few nights and (touchwood) has worked well. Infact - she's still asleep . I'm up and awake on my own as couldn't get back to sleep but would have really liked the extra she's letting me have. SHe's now been sleeping in her cot this morning from 10 pm - 7:30 am (and counting....) with only one feed during the night.

We are off to look at a new car (well, new to us but probably second hand) today but would much rather be outside in the lovely weather

wiggles i returned a gift to mothercare yesterday. Felt a bit guilty but they did put a gift receipt in and say i could change it. I had a 10% off mothercare voucher so I actually gained money by returning it if that makes sense. We were very boring with our purchases though and got those car window sun shield things and a mirror to put in the back seat that means I can see what alice is up to when I'm driving. There - far more useful than some clothes that she'd only wear a handful of times

deb hope you are doing OK without DH

btw have i told you all already that boots are doing a big 3 for 2 on baby stuff? we got 6 massive packs of nappies in varying sizes delivered free from their web site and saved over £20 by getting 2 of them free . Apologies if I told you about this before but just forgot.

Angels, I put Noah on his side after his early morning feed and he slept like a dream! I went up to see Ben at 8am and Noah was still asleep. Then dh went into him and was laid awake in his basket looking around! May this be the start of something good!!
Good luck looking for a car, I love car shopping. I love any kind of shopping. Were off to the zoo today and I will enjoy the gift shop the most!

angels glad to be of assistance my little monkey was so tired last night i couldnt keep her awake so she went up at 7.30.i sat in the garden with a friend drinking so decided to do a tipsy dream feed to try for a lie in.What a waste of time!! She woke at 4.30 then fussed for half an hour then fed and went back till 8 so not too bad,if you are swaddling be carefull as the weather gets warmer,use a sheet and i didnt put a vest on D last night as its so warm here.
at Deb off to beach and having no dh i bet you're right about the tetchy relationship,god id murder mine if he was here all the time.
Day in the garden for us,might have a bbq which will not be good for the diet

Bensmum Is there anything more fun than the zoo gift shop , it is my favourite gift shop and as Mr W can swear to, I can sniff out a gift shop from the car park!!! Well done Noah, we had a really good night last night too, dd2 is still doing really well with her sleeping

Boots have some lovely baby clothes in at the minute as well, so am thinking of getting Anna some clothes for our holiday, I also have £10 in reward points so should be able to get a couple of outfits for very little!!

Angels hope you enjoy car shopping, Alice did really well last night as well.

Debka Enjoy your man-free day and the beach

I think I may try swaddling again to get L to sleep on his own. We tried it once but he quickly fought his way out (we're crap at swaddling) so we gave up. He starts to drift off to sleep then jumps, his arms fly out and he wakes himself up. I think I am a convert to cosleeping though. By himself, he goes from sleeping to screeching his head off for food in about 5 seconds. When he's sleeping with me, he fusses but doesn't wake up so I can dream feed him. It would be nice if he could sleep on his own though.

angels - good luck with car shopping. It's simultaneously exciting and terrifying because it's so much money. :)

DH's family is visiting and throwing off L's routine and he's been so unhappy since they've been here. He only woke up every 4 hours to eat last night when it's usually 2.5 - 3 hours. Lovely for me but I know he's exhausted. I think I need to enforce an afternoon break and quiet time for him.

ex pat id insist,i had it the other week and she was so unsettled but they didnt offer to have her when they wanted to feed their faces haha,we are off there next weekend and i am not having it.Been teaching Delilah new sleep technique,at the mo she falls asleep on us but last 2 days i have put her in her pram and left her,when the cries are at their peak i rock the pram and she goes off,i figured i can reduce the rocking over time.
Its nice here but cold wind,E wanted the pool up which takes all day and is freezing at first,she is stropping now cos i wont let her.
I still swaddle at night but only if desperate in the day.

Ooh yes to swaddling expat - ages ago we tried it once, didn't work very well so left it. Then tried it again about a week later, works a treat. I bought a swaddling blanket - think its called Miracle Blanket or something - I got it from internet but seen that they sell them in Boots too. You don't need it, but as an inexperienced swaddler I've found it useful

Dp is off out tonight so I have some wine and am planning on going to bed when dd does, hopefully about 10pm... heres hoping.

Hope you've all enjoyed the sun/zoo/car shopping

how does everyone manage to keep their babies awake,d is desperate to sleep by 6 and we can just stretch it out until 7.30 but it means she still needs a feed in early hrs,we have also failed tonight as she has fallen asleep in dh arms after her bath.I dont care tho its my night off,me and els are watching mama mia,lots of ds's friends were in it at the west end when they left dance school,making me all nostalgic.

Hmm I don't manage to keep dd awake, she just seems to be more alert in the evening for some reason. If she is asleep and we put her down she ususally wakes up and starts crying so thats how I would wake her!

Your son sounds all showbiz ledkr!

ah bless him,he was very talented but went as far as he could and is now a chef.
I wish she would stay awake longer cos she doesnt setle brilliantly after a "night feed" i dream fed her last night but it made no difference.We are away in 2 weeks and els will be wanting to go to the discos and shows so d will be awake longer so may break the early night habit then.