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Due Sept 2005 - the calm before the storm...

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andif · 20/09/2005 15:02

Nothing to say really, just here it is!

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Kiwifruit · 21/09/2005 17:50

Ooohhh, 7 - I don't think so!!! Blood pressure is stable at the high end of acceptable (or at least it was on Monday, which was when I last had it checked). Am going in to see the consultant tomorrow, and suspect he will be wanting to discuss induction, which I'm not terribly keen on, but will probably let him book me one for next week, and then try all natural induction methods known between now and then... DH quite keen for me to get induced on Friday - suspect he just wants a long weekend !

How are you doing Andif, any more promising signs??

singleteenagemum · 21/09/2005 18:08

Hi everyone just been doing some reading in a book i;ve got about birthing methods around the world...found a very interesting one about Spain which has brightened my day..knowing we could be receiving worse care over here...will have to type it all out so you can read....BEWARE it's VERY long

singleteenagemum · 21/09/2005 18:30

maternity care in Spain is a very delicate subject. Until around 30years ago, all births were in the home. The government then decided to move birth into the hospital and homebirths became a thing of the past. The hospitals were staffed with doctors who got involved in births, despite their lack of qualifications and it was decided to cut back on the training of midwives to train the obstetrcians. Midwifery schools closed and the nurses were given extra training when needed. The doctors took firm charde of the whole birth process. As the midwives aged, and then retired, it became apparent that there was an acute shortage and there were none being trained. The midwives left were allocated to the labour wards and nurses were left to undertake the pre and post natal care. After 8years the midwifery schools were opened again, and some students leave for Britain to train as midwives. Now there is some new blood enetering the scene, however, maternity care is still given solely by obstetricians.

The initial breastfeeding rate is very high, as Spanish women want to breastfeed their children. While it may be 95% or more after the birth, there is no support in hospital and by 2weeks the breastfeeding rate has dropped dramatically and by 6weeks is almost non-existent. Formula feeds are freely available in the hospital and samples are given out post partum.

Midwives are firmly under the control of the doctors, who dictate all the protocols and demand strict adherence to rigid routines.

All women give birth on a narrow table with their legs in stirrups - they will have had a perineal shave, an enema and an episiotomy. There is routine starvation of women in labour; borth plans are unheard of and not taken seriously. Needless to say the epidural rate is very high and so are the caesarean, forceps and ventouse rates. None of the obstetricians would aloow a woman to birth in an upright position or on the floor, on a mat. fathers are not aloowed in the delivery rooms - there presence is to be negotiated with the particular hospital. IV is put in the arm of a labouring routinely and 99% of the time drugs are given to the mother withouther permission (that is to say they dont ask permission)

The rights of pregnant women are disclosed in the local and Spanish health laws. The maternity care is free under the Social Security system, but Spain has a very medicalised approach to birth and the unnecessary routines and procedures have become a national standard. Tjere are virtually no midwives willing to visit a home birth and they are VERY VERY rare. Moidwives in the hospitals see themseles as lower qualified than obstetricians and thus see themselves as unqualified to attend births with obstetric supervision. The private clinics as well as state hospitals are strictly against natural birth and 100% of births are totally controlled by obstetricians, equipment and are fully medicalised. Natural birth is frowned upson, not recommended and most medical practitioners do not know how to do deal with it.

Epidural is readily available to all that want it, it is recommended by law for every woman giving birth. Every woman in Spain goes for a CTG each week from 36weeks. If a baby is not born by 40+2 a caesarean is performed, with or without consent. The doctors have the idea that this is common practise in other countries. This practise is a prime example of setting women up for intervention. A caesarean is offered with ease to all that want one. Spain has one of the highest caesarean rates in the world - some 67% give birth on an operating table. Episiotomy rates are 100%. Ultrasound scans are every 4weeks.

STM's new man summed it up like this: "In Spain, they believe in a non-interventionist approach to birth - under no circumstances should any intervention be permitted by either parent!"

Kiwifruit · 21/09/2005 18:49

Well, guess it could be a whole load worse!

LOL at your man STM - we like him!

Maybe you could give us a different country every day until we've all popped??

pooka · 21/09/2005 19:32

Good lord!!! What a hellish way to treat labouring women.
I think your man sounds looooooovveeely, STM

RedZuleika · 21/09/2005 19:39

Hollow laughter... I wonder how that sits with the Human Rights Act...??

Interesting that midwives are responsible to obstetricians - because in this country it's a completely different hierarchy of responsibility, with obviously a different regulatory body. Although my experience of NHS midwives thus far has been that the obstetrician says 'jump' and they say 'how high?'

Congratulations to recent births. Hope all went well - to Mummyhill, when she makes her way back here.

Have eaten pineapple, sat on the ball for two hours and done a bit of twiddling today. Thus far, I've only succeeded in making my pelvis more painful.

RedZuleika · 21/09/2005 19:40

Although actually now I think about it, a lot of that birth procedure sounds like the situation when my mother was having me: starvation, enemas, shaving... and they gave her pethidine even though she expressly declined.

RedZuleika · 21/09/2005 19:40

Although actually now I think about it, a lot of that birth procedure sounds like the situation when my mother was having me: starvation, enemas, shaving... and they gave her pethidine even though she expressly declined.

RedZuleika · 21/09/2005 19:40

Sorry - finger spasm...

pooka · 21/09/2005 21:13

Moschops - so sorry to hear about your grandmother

beatie · 21/09/2005 21:40

We have a name .........

Alice Eva - it was staring us in the face all the time and now the decision is made it seems perfect.

beatie · 21/09/2005 21:57

Mosschops - sorry to hear about your loss. I lost my grandmother the year my dd was born so she never saw her. It is hard is especially if it was a favoured grandparent.

Sorry not to comment on everyone else's waiting game. I'm sure there must have been a few more births this week and a few more to come....

Good luck to all those who are waiting. I'll try and get my birth stpry written up tomorrow for the birth announcements. I'll link you to it when it's done.... if you really want to read. Regrettably I needed stitches this time round too

singleteenagemum · 21/09/2005 22:37

beatie - that's really nice...glad you got it sorted

mummyhill · 22/09/2005 04:02

hello i'm daddy hill!
We had alittle boy (8ib 12) at 12.41 am this morning.they're both doing fine

whimsy · 22/09/2005 07:18

Congratulations Mummyhill
(sorry to gatecrash)

Kiwifruit · 22/09/2005 08:25

YAY Mummyhill and Daddyhill !! Congratulations!!! Has he got a name yet?

whimsy · 22/09/2005 08:29

He has got a name, but i will leave that for mummyhill or daddyhill

jessysmummy · 22/09/2005 08:53

CONGRATULATIONS to all the Hill family! A lovely little man to try to even up the score with all those little ladies. Hope all went ok. Looking forward to hearing the whole story and the name!
Looking out for some good news from Daisydot, too.
STM - guess that last minute trip I've booked to Spain is off then.. How appalling! So many Brits out there too. Bet they get a shock! Did you manage to get your little one to arrive on time or are you still scrubbing that floor?
Beatie - Alice goes lovely with Eva. Bet she's a beauty to go with her name! Look forward to birth story.
Well another day of quarantine here with DD and gastrobug. What a happy threesome we make! DM is supposed to be coming over today though so hopefully will take over nursing role and I will at least get a chance to go out/back to bed. Anytime DD falls asleep and I decide to join her she wakes up again. I can see this is going to cause problems when newby arrives.
Still no sign of anything from Katts??

KiwiKate · 22/09/2005 09:14

congrats to cabe & beatie & mummyhill

All those who haven't had your babies yet - you are in my thoughts and prayers. Especially you, DaisyDot. Praying that everyone has healthy babies and trauma-free deliveries.

moschops - so sorry about yr gran. My dad died when I was pg with ds & I am still devistated (3 years later) that dad never got to see ds. Now that dd has just been born, it is hard again to deal with dad's loss. I just tell myself that it hurts so much, because we love them so much - and having that love in our lives has to be a blessing, even when they are no longer with us (if that makes any sense).

Grace is doing well. I had forgotten how difficult the bf thing is! Oh well, it is still early days. She is now sleeping for an hour at a time (if I'm lucky). At least I know it gets better.

take care
xxx

jessysmummy · 22/09/2005 09:20

Thanks for keeping us all in your thoughts KiwiKate. Glad to hear that that Grace is thriving. Take care x

sniff · 22/09/2005 09:20

Congratulations to Mummyhill (I am sorry to gatecrash)

A little boy!!!our visits are getting larger by the minute!! I am so pleased for you both and cant wait to see you on Saturday I am looking forward to DD showing me the latest arrival
I miss you more now I can't come for visiting time

love you all loads spk very soon (need to hear all the details) x x x

jessysmummy · 22/09/2005 10:19

Ok, where's everyone gone? I know you all have lives outside of MN but am noticing that KF and I are the only mums-in-waiting to have posted today and am starting to think that you have all snuck off to have babies while I wasn't looking . If you have Good Luck!
Milward, keen to know whether the squatting in the supermarket worked and hope KF hasn't choked on her 7th pineapple!

zubb · 22/09/2005 10:24

Congratulations Beatie, Mummyhill and Cabe

I keep checking in to see how things are going for you all.

Joseph is being great, sleeping lots and eating well, which is a blessing as ds2 took this week to be ill (exactly as ds1 did when ds2 arrived - I think they plan it!), and we now have all the foundations finished for the extension! Hectic??!!

Boompi · 22/09/2005 10:32

Congrats Cabe, Beatie and Mummyhill!!

STM - I was told my bubba was large too - she was 7lb 4oz - so bang on average!!

KF - I snored very loudly in last few weeks too - all gone now, so you can reassure dh!!

RedZuleika · 22/09/2005 10:37

jessysmummy: Noooo - I'm still here too, but am feeling sick and dizzy and generally pants, so haven't offered my twopennorth yet. Cervix hurts and I nearly passed out in the shower. Blah blah blah. And the dog wants to play - which makes me feel very guilty.

Congratulations to the Hills!

Sorry about your grandmother, Moschops. Glad she got to see your peanut.

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