The PESH Deli - No ESH left behind

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I have opened the virtual gin, found the Desperate Romantics and am about to start playing I've Never. Who's with me?

Whoops - have just fluffed BabyBox's passport application and sent her packing to the Post Office to get another one. Come back brain, all is forgiven

Sorry Scorps - muscle pain in the solar plexus you say???? No idea what you're waffling on about - maybe serves you right for actually having muscle there [raspberry emoticon needed].
Sound horrid tho - you have my sympathy.

Piss off! Whatever part of the body that makes you vom, that's where it hurts (upper stomach, what? You can tell I'm ill when I don't find out the proper term for things and just guess, ie solar plexus!). RieRie is right, in that it's defo a muscle thang and feels like the aftermath of spewing non-stop due to terrible food poisoning.

muse glad the scan showed camera shy bob although not for the poking about Sounds like you are married to a clone of TB, yurt trick sounds very familiar.

scorps could you have pulled the muscles in your chest by vomming a lot? In which case wouldn't anti sickness tablets do you good as you could have a break from vomming and let the muscle heal. i second the 'give me drugs, fuck face' approach with the doc.

No, the pain started as soon as the nausea kicked in, ie several weeks before there was any vomming. The pain feels exactly like that, though; like I've pulled the upper tum muscles through vomiting a lot, except it's clearly not that. The pain isn't actually any worse now I have started vomming and vomming does take it away for about 15 mins or so. I'm not vomming a lot - haven't spewed today, for example, nor every day, and the most I've ever done is 3 small voms in one day. I certainly haven't lost any weight (surely the only silver lining?!). I think that the GP was probably right - is no doubt my shit luck that morning sickness affects my muscles but isn't in any way dangerous and my shit luck that I feel rank 24-7 AND my shit luck that I'll have morning sickness and not lose a single lb

Muse, why do you require dildocam for your scans? I mean, I know we all can't get enough hot dildocam action , but is it cos you has a backwards-tilting womb? I ask, cos I found out I has one, but they did told me they right themselves after @ 16 weeks.

scorp if it's any consolation, and it probably isn't, but when I sneeze it really hurts. Mega painful. Trying not to sneeze is nearly as painful as sneezing.

Poor scroppy bad luck indeed. If it helps at all I have started feeling shite 24/7. In fact I have ANTI morning sickness as the first hour of the day is the only time I don't feel sick. Eating does not help the sicky feeling one bit. Plus I have the added bonus, that I know I have brought this entirely upon myself by moaning the other week. I haven't actually vommed yet but I have been very close, most worryingly today half way down the M62. I think I am going to have to fashion some sort of vom catcher for emergency use. But I can handle the sick feeling its the tiredness that is doing my head in. Just want to sleep ALL the time.

Sorry that was shamelessly mememememe.

Dildocam because I have a baby that does not sit right Scorps. He also said something about measuring birth canal to assess risk of pre-term delivery, I don't know if that was part of the reason for dldocam.

I can confess now because I have cried all over MrM. But the scan was actually awful. The two tech people didn't tell us what they were doing, too busy talking to each other and trying to sort the view out. I just wanted it to be over by the end and I feel awful for that. I just felt really detached from the whole thing and because they weren't explaining I worried so much that something was wrong.

MrM has suggested that we look into having a 3D scan, just for us two, so we can maybe get a little bit of magic. I know the 20 week scan is about checking for problems, and I didn't want it to be just gazing at the baby. But I thought they would say "now we are measuring this, look it's fine. Look there, that's X. Now we're measuring this, that's fine too." And they didn't.

I am so, so happy that everything is ok. But at the time I didn't have a clue what was going on.

Sorry, am whining and poor rocket and Scorps are feeling awful. I really hope it's shortlived for you both.

Does anyone know good places for private scans in ThatLondon?

Yes I do. There is a lovely woman at the Women's Wellness Centre on Fulham Road (opp C&W). I had a couple of early scans there and she is exactly what you would expect and describe above. I'm sorry it was so horrendous. It's not fair and these people should be trained to understand the worry and concern parents have particularly for big scans. Okie has also been to this place so will back up my recommendation...

I personally haven't had a 4D scan but I think it's a lovely idea.

In me me me news - I've just seen a mouse!!! FFS. How do you deal with mice having a dog? I can't just lay traps willy nilly.

Get a cat!

Thank you, I will check out the Women Wellness Centre.

www.womenswellnesscentre.com/

Her name is sharda I think. Lovely lovely v experienced lady and so reassuring. She gave us tons of pictures.

They seem to do early scans but not late ones, they have a link through to another website for that. I'll drop them a line to check though.

I do feel like a bit of an idiot about this. Wuss.

It's not whinging, Muser - I think everyone would feel upset by that experience. It'd be rude enough and upsetting enough for them to behave like that as it is, but when they're trying to do all that stuff with a probe up your vagina? Disgraceful. I'd seriously consider writing a letter saying that whilst they weren't rude or offensive per se, they made you feel like a piece of meat and didn't tell you what they were doing and why, whilst doing unpleasant things to the most private part of your anatomy to do so. And that they should explain things as they go along, seeing as it's a v anxious time for the woman. Bloody gits. They forget they have actual human beings in front of them at times I think the idea of the 3D scan is ace. Sorry about the baby not sitting as it's told (a little rebel already )

Thanks Scorps. Just feel a bit silly because everything is fine with the baby, and that's obviously the most important thing. And it is a medical check. But I've never had a medical check that's left me feeling quite so lost before. As you say, normally if someone has a bit of plastic shoved up my fanjo they tell me what they're doing with it!

I'm very sure they do scans all the way through - but give them a call. I also had bloods done there so I think they do pretty much everything.

It's not silly at all. Having to spend ages having someone root around uncomfortably in your hoo-haa with a big piece of plastic whilst they basically ignore you is not acceptable. Just because it's a medical check doesn't mean they should be so thoughtless or make it so obvious it's all just a conveyor belt to them There's ways of doing things. And they should realise how meaningful and anxious the 20-wk scan is for wimminz, grrr.

I'd offer to kiss it all better, but I don't want to make the others jealous

Still, the main thing IS that Bob is perfect. Getting a 3D scan might help make things better too.

muser for my 12 wk scan I went to the Fetal Medical Centre in Harley St (cost £150) and also had bloods done. The lady that saw us was very nice and explained everything. Take your hospital notes with you. HI came with me, of course, and we came away feeling very informed as they did all the nuchal tests (not compulsory - up to you and your fella).

3d scans are recommended from 28 wks plus. The reasoning I have heard is coz the baby looks very skeletal and is often not v nice for the parentals.

We went out for dinner afterwards to celebrate!

The FMC do a variety of scans and the receptionists that answer the phones and take the bookings are also v v v v nice and knowledgable so if you call them up and explain your situ I am sure they can help. Sometimes it's worth forking out for peace of mind and shiz.

Google it and the website/contact details shall appear as if by magic! Good luck and keep us posted.

muser sorry you have been left feeling the way you do. Our 20-week NHS scan was very rushed and matter of fact, and the photo was rubbish, especially compared to yours. But we were lucky to have our private gender scan the nexy day and that was the proper magical experience. She started at the head and showed/described to us every detail, skipping the genitals and doing the legs before finally revealing that we had a girl. Proper tears all round and I was high on the happiness. It wasn't a 3D scan, just a normal one but in a lovely setting with a friendly sonographer who knew how to make it special. I can't recommend it highly enough, even if you aren't finding out the flavour.

Big hugs and back rubs to scorps and rocket.

That sounds lovely Casper. I really didn't expect my NHS scan to go into that much detail, obviously that must take a long time and they've got more important things to be concentrating on.

But, just as an example, on the heart they spent a good 10 minutes staring at it the first time with the trainee. And then the main guy went and did it again for another 5-10 minutes. They didn't tell us why they were spending so long or what they were looking for. I guessed it was because the position was bad. But my mind was in overdrive thinking there was something wrong.

Also, they never actually explained that one was a trainee. We guessed that. The main guy came in carrying a bunch of gel and that rubbish paper tissue, my first thought was he was restocking and I thought it was weird that he'd come in while I was there with my belly out. Took me a while to realise actually he was the man in charge.

That's awful muse. Any patient should be fully informed of what's going on, but to treat an already emotionally fragile, and fearful (for the outcome) pregnant woman like that is unbelievable. I hope you will lodge a complaint with PALS. Mind you, I said I would do that post birth regarding a lot of my care, but never did get around to it. My main complaint was similar - not having things explained to us. It's as if our pregnancies actually "belong" to the doctors/hospitals and we are just the carriers. That's how I felt about a lot of my antenatal care. The birth, however, was just the opposite, so please take heart.

Maybe a letter of complaint and a private scan will make you feel better?

My 12 week scan wasn't like that at all, and Bob was uncooperative during that as well. I should write a letter to them. I didn't realise how bad it made me feel until I tentatively asked MrM how he'd found it and he said he hadn't enjoyed it. Made me admit how I'd been feeling.

Thank you for the Women's Wellness Centre there. A lovely woman just phoned me and she was so sympathetic and explained the various options. She suggested we do a repeat anomoly scan as that will let us look over everything and get the "look there's the artery pumping blood" discussion. We are considering options. I think I'd like to do it over so I can understand what yesterday was all about, rather than have the the 4D scan.

Sorry. That was meant to say "thank you for the Women's Wellness Centre recommendation moo. Morning brain.

Oh muse do consider it. It's obviously affected you badly and it can really take the shine off things. My 20 week sonographer was wonderful and really made it special and you need that in your memory bank cos it's the last time you'll probably see your babby till its born

muser I am saddened by your experience - it's certainly at the other end of the spectrum to what I've had. I'm also very about your dildocam experience and can't help but feel it's laziness/shoddy equipment/inexperience which has brought this about. Nobody went below my bikini line until I was induced - and I think I'd have felt uncomfortable to have been subjected to an internal each and every time. :( I also have a 25 minute DVD showing each and every move and measurement the sonographer made and her explanation of what she was looking for and the accompanying result. Is it too late to turn to private care?

Muse so glad it showed Bob was ok but am cross and sad you were left feeling like that. FWIW I think you should write a letter.

We had a private scan at 20 weeks to find out the gender (wrongly as it happens but that's not the point here!) - it was, apart from the aforementioned error, by FAR the most positive experience of scanning I've had so far. So nice to be able to take time and ask questions and actually LOOK at the baby instead of just being prodded about and ignored. Mine was just outside TL but cost £70 - it was just an ultrasound though, not a 3/4D one.

I say go for it. No-one regrets another chance to see their baby, do they! There's no negatives, as far as I can see. And you've not had an easy pregnancy so far. Be a bit kind to yourself and spend a few quid and have a happy memory of the experience