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Fraser's thread for bereaved mummies: Death leaves a heartache no-one can heal - Love leaves a memory no-one can steal

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frasersmummy · 09/11/2008 21:11

Hello my good friends

Its lovely to be asked to set up our new support tread especially as we head towards our first festive season supporting each other.

I hope Frasers part of the journey is as smooth as Eris, Jack and Matt&Gareths

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venezia · 17/11/2008 12:58

I dont know FM - I do understand how you want to shout out to the world 'what about my child.' I was always amazed that the world kept turning and people did their routine jobs when I had left my boys in a mortuary. I kept wanting to shout out what had happened.

travellingwilbury · 17/11/2008 13:16

I do think its a double edged sword in a way . I know that when Harry died one of the tings I struggled with was that the yr before Sarah Paine had been found a couple of miles away from where we live . Every time I went past that spot I would get really cross at all the tributes that had been left and especially when I would hear people in the pub / shops talking about it all the time and yet these were the same people who would cross the st to avoid me .
Since then however I have spoken to people who had all the press and publicity about their child and that is not always a good experience either .

But i do know what you mean , I could never understand how the world kept going and for some reason buses always really annoyed me . I think its the timetable thing or something but buses drove me nuts .

venezia · 17/11/2008 13:28

Matts accident was all over the local newspaper. His picture was on the front almost full page. My brother went to every newsagents and destroyed the newspaper headlines in the stands outside the shops. He would sit outside the depot where the lorry came from and wait to see if he could find the man who killed Matt. He was outraged, every minute of every single day. It wasn't great to see those newspapers and to see the pointing fingers of strangers.

frasersmummy · 17/11/2008 13:52

well see thats why i posted this on here .. cos I knew yoou would help me get another perspective

I really need to get off here before I get sacked !!

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venezia · 17/11/2008 14:22

xx

lottiejenkins · 17/11/2008 14:32

Am sorry that FrasersMummy and Shabs have been so upset........please dont delete this thread just because some people are causing trouble! I come here to be comforted too, i wont be at home on Jacks birthday we will be in London on the way to Paris for Xmas. I know though that my friends on here will be remembering Jack too and plan to ask a friend to light a candle for him in our church on that day.

Kitana · 17/11/2008 14:36

I need to let off some steam, and I hope you'll all indulge me.

I registered for MN only last week because I was really worried that I was going round the bend, blubbing my eyes out, after hearing about Baby P's death, and was desperate to find out if other bereaved mothers were reacting in a similar way.

The baby loss forum I usually log in to seems to be leeching members (I think many of them are now talking via a Facebook group), and I didn't want to start a thread there because I've started to feel like I am the only person who ever says anything remotely 'political'. People want to talk about themselves but not about the state of neonatal services or why the state pays three blondes in a boat to win gold at the Olympics but expects the public to dig deep to pay to rebuild the crumbling Save the Baby Unit at St Mary's Hospital in Paddington.

I found that baby loss forum after I abandoned the forum run by BLISS, the premature baby charity. They have a bereavement thread but most of the people who visit it took home their babies and are, in my view, voyeurs. Well intentioned perhaps, but still voyeurs. But when a post was started by someone who had had a miscarriage at 6 weeks and people jumped in to say it's just the same as losing a baby you gave birth to, I decided it was time to move on and clearly so did many others as that bereavement forum has pretty much ground to a halt. No medical text book says an early miscarriage is the same as a neonatal death, nor does the law, but you could not say so on a message board without risking appearing to be a real cow.

Now, on MN, I find intelligent women, but also some really harsh posts and people who have no reason to be on a bereavement thread desperately trying to justify themselves. I'm really sorry MN pulled you V, and it must have been very upsetting. I really think you were provoked and that they should simply have emailed you. You are in a very unusual position in having lost 2 children and I think MN should have been more sensitive to the effect of provocative posts on you.

And it just makes me want to scream - where can you find an intellifgently run website where you can talk to intelligent women about the loss of a child?

This site has many, many topics but leaves talk of baby and child loss to just one thread! It doesn't make me feel that MN is really the place for me either. Seems they'd much rather we didn't come here upsetting or provoking other people.

Perhaps I just have to give up on the Net. I don't know. I just needed to vent my frustration, and I hope nobody minds me using this space to do so.

best wishes,
K

venezia · 17/11/2008 14:36

Just let us know the dates Lottie.....we will remember Jack as well. Have you heard me 'we' - think Im the Queen!!!

Aitch · 17/11/2008 14:37

righto, i'm not looking at this thread any more.

i'm so, so sorry that you have lost babies and children, my heart goes out to you. but some of you seem determined to take a gesture of conciliation and make it into something else. (not frasersmummy, thanks for your support there fm ).

i'd advise you all to think long and hard about posting about people and their 'cronies' in future, you're in NO position to be casting stones on here.

venezia · 17/11/2008 14:41

Kitana - Im sorry to are struggling to try and find somewhere to talk about your thoughts and feelings. Hopefully, we are back to normal here now. We all need each other on here for good times and bad so dont go from our special thread.

We will do whatever we can to help xx

venezia · 17/11/2008 14:43

As I said K - we will get back to normal and be able to help each other especially as the dreaded Chritmas comes thundering up.

mel1981 · 17/11/2008 15:01

Hi everyone, I havent had chance to read all this properly and have to go out on school run now so will have to read it all tonight to catch up.
Been really ill this last week or so but feeling better now thank god!
Hope everyones well? X

venezia · 17/11/2008 15:03

Hiya Mel - sorry you havent been so good - see you later

hazygirl · 17/11/2008 16:39

hi girlsx hope everyone ok,its so true you always wonder how life continues,life moves on but its never the same,its nearly bloody christmas my mum and dad are going away on jaydens remember day,i asked her why i know im 43 but she my mum andi need her then so i can keep going for my dd,
i had to go pick my dogs ashes up today,everything is crap at the moment.
i did laugh sort of my mum was shopping and bumped into my dd and olivia,my mum was talking to her and telling her me and my mum share same name to which olivia replied yes but you are older than granny and that means your old and gonna die soon,my mum says she couldnt stop laughing at her ,luckily she has sense of humour.

hazygirl · 17/11/2008 16:39

hi girlsx hope everyone ok,its so true you always wonder how life continues,life moves on but its never the same,its nearly bloody christmas my mum and dad are going away on jaydens remember day,i asked her why i know im 43 but she my mum andi need her then so i can keep going for my dd,
i had to go pick my dogs ashes up today,everything is crap at the moment.
i did laugh sort of my mum was shopping and bumped into my dd and olivia,my mum was talking to her and telling her me and my mum share same name to which olivia replied yes but you are older than granny and that means your old and gonna die soon,my mum says she couldnt stop laughing at her ,luckily she has sense of humour.

hazygirl · 17/11/2008 16:39

hi girlsx hope everyone ok,its so true you always wonder how life continues,life moves on but its never the same,its nearly bloody christmas my mum and dad are going away on jaydens remember day,i asked her why i know im 43 but she my mum andi need her then so i can keep going for my dd,
i had to go pick my dogs ashes up today,everything is crap at the moment.
i did laugh sort of my mum was shopping and bumped into my dd and olivia,my mum was talking to her and telling her me and my mum share same name to which olivia replied yes but you are older than granny and that means your old and gonna die soon,my mum says she couldnt stop laughing at her ,luckily she has sense of humour.

hazygirl · 17/11/2008 16:40

hi girlsx hope everyone ok,its so true you always wonder how life continues,life moves on but its never the same,its nearly bloody christmas my mum and dad are going away on jaydens remember day,i asked her why i know im 43 but she my mum andi need her then so i can keep going for my dd,
i had to go pick my dogs ashes up today,everything is crap at the moment.
i did laugh sort of my mum was shopping and bumped into my dd and olivia,my mum was talking to her and telling her me and my mum share same name to which olivia replied yes but you are older than granny and that means your old and gonna die soon,my mum says she couldnt stop laughing at her ,luckily she has sense of humour.

hazygirl · 17/11/2008 16:41

sorry computor even giving up on me

venezia · 17/11/2008 18:06

Hiya Hazy - sorry stuff sounds as tho' its crap with you at the moment. Kids are great aren't they?????

frasersmummy · 17/11/2008 20:04

evening all..managed not to get the sack as I can tell people to reboot as i talk rubbish on here

Kitana please stick around.. its been a very hard week for everyone on mn.

I think I know venezia (god thats hard to type shabster ) to say that this is just one of those things that happen in life.. we deal we move on

you are sooo right about money for baby care units,research etc please come share some more

HazY I dont know what to say so sending you a hug

lottie we wont forget jack dont worry and you didnt bloody answerme with all this nonsenes.. how's the house?

mel hope you are better now

and I shall ask this again too.. any know where fmn is??? is she ok???

right have hogged this enough for one day

take care everyone

ps the thread stays I was just having a wobble.. couldnt bear the thought of hundreds of nasty posts in Frasers name

right am off this time

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venezia · 17/11/2008 21:18

I was horrified to be contacted on such a unique and special place like our thread FMammy - tried my best to not rise to the bait. Glad you are not going anywhere xxxx

Lilyloo · 17/11/2008 21:34

I often check on here to see how your doing esp FMN and Shabster who i met when FMN lost her beautiful Eris.
I am so shocked at Shabs treatment this weekend but didn't see the posts but read the posts on here this am with regards to this.
I think this is such a special thread and although i watch i rarely post as it seems a lovely haven for all you mums and feel really sorry that this has invaded your space esp for Frasers mum.
Hope all you lovely ladies are ok i do think of you all and check up on you from a distance.
In the great scheme of things i guess it's nothing but just wanted to add my thoughts.

venezia · 17/11/2008 21:38

Thank you Lily, it has been a strange few days xxxx

Lilyloo · 17/11/2008 21:44

Tis ok V didn't post this am but coudn't believe what i was reading has been bothering me all day so had to let you know.
How thoughtless and uncaring i found it all and not what i thought mn was about at all.

FM think you should have said what you did although you shouldn't have needed to.

Also was wondering where FMN was !

pinkfrog · 17/11/2008 22:39

I know I keep changing my mind but Frumpy Grumpy on the multiples thread says I am as mad as a 'pink frog' so I changed my nickname. Promise - no more changes

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