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Eris' thread for bereaved mummies

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feedmenow · 16/04/2008 16:28

OK, so the thread begins! I tried to think og something better to call it, but all I have in my head (still) is Shabsters comment about how it would have been better if we'd all met on a thread called 'how to cope with excessive wind'!

Anyway, we have somewhere to come now. Somewhere 'proper' where we can chat and remember our precious lost children, whether they were stillborn like my angel, or whether they were with us for 2 hours, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years or 20 years. No matter how long they were here it is still so very wrong to lose a child.

I just wanted to tell you all about yesterday. It was such a very strange day. Dp and I were collected by the FD in the limo that Eris was in and we drove slowly down our road behind one of the FD men. I felt like a fraudster, like I was going to be caught out and asked what the hell we were doing 'playing' around.

Anyway, it turns out that the crem we went to is absolutely beautiful, really gogeous gardens. The service was lovely. The songs and music we chose were perfect, and both my mum and mil got up and said some really touching, beautiful words. The minister read a story I had chosen and also an extract from Winnie the Pooh that he suggested. I sat with my dd1 on one side and my ds the other, then dp next to him. We all had our arms around each other and I cried silently throughout. Then at the end the minister asked everyone else to leave so the 4 of us could say our final goodbyes, at which point I started weeping with a vengeance. It wasn't til we went outside to join everyone else that I saw all the people who had come to be with us.

We went back to my parents house for brunch, which went really well. I come from a family who crack open the wine and beer at the earliest opportunity, so the wine flowed along with the tea and coffee for the drivers. It was a beautiful day, the sun shining, so we went into the garden. The children and the men played football, the ladies chatted and did a bit of skipping (who would have ever known that I could still 'jump in'???. I had got some helium balloons printed with the words "Too beautiful for earth..." so everyone released one and 'raised a toast' to Eris. People gradually drifted off home, but a group of people stayed with us all afternoon and into the evening. We had takeaway and eventually got home about 10pm. It was a very special day. I talked about Eris lots and, very importantly, people had fun. A very important thing to do, IMO, when celebrating a life instead of mourning a death. As people left I asked them all to be sure to remember my little baby girl, to think of her often and not let her be forgotten.

Dp and I set up a fundraising page to raise money for SaNDS for people to make donations instead of brining flowers. When I checked earlier today, we have had donations of £1360! It makes me sad that we're in the position to have received those donations, but we smile when we realise how much people care.

Anyway, dp went to the FD this afternoon and picked up Eris' ashes, so we at least have now brought our daughter home. It raised a few laughs yesterday when we were asked what we planned to do with the ashes and I said we would bring her home and put her in the wardrobe with nanny (whose ashes have been in my wardrobe for 2 years now!). Some might find this odd, but others thought it touching and comforting that they would be in the wardrobe together.

Anyway, I have wittered on more than I intended. I am pleased to say that I do actually feel a sense of peace now that the funeral is over. Both dp and I had been scared of yesterday as we were both aware that a funeral brings about a finality and reality to what has happened. And somehow, facing that finality has helped me achieve a degree of acceptance.

So, in memory of my precious baby daughter, Eris, I would like to pronounce this thread for bereaved mummies "OPEN"!!

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shabster · 01/05/2008 23:12

Good night everybody - just been back on the Madeline Mcan thread - OMG I knew it would end up the way it has. Slagging off her parents. Will say a quiet prayer for a conclusion to this horrible story - one way or the other - 'there for the grace of God go I.'

shabster · 02/05/2008 07:14

Morning girls - been wide awake since 6am - can remember having weird dreams!!!

Hope everyone is ok

lottiejenkins · 02/05/2008 07:42

Morning Shabs......... Have a lot to do today lol. Am waiting for Mr HE to turn up now.

shabster · 02/05/2008 07:44

Morning Lottie - be gentle with Mr Heating Engineer - please

lottiejenkins · 02/05/2008 07:47

Righto....

lottiejenkins · 02/05/2008 07:55

Hope you ladies can help me................am trying to remember a quote..... something to do with a child dieing early along the lines of this little life a short life not being hear very long.........??? any ideas??

LouiseAnn · 02/05/2008 13:00

I saw a quote on a gravestone yesterday, while visiting James' grave. It was something like:
"Don't feel sad that I am not here anymore, be glad that I was with you for a time"
We will have to decide on a gravestone over the next few months. We can't decide on a shape. My dh wants something very plain and our younger son wants something very fancy with gateways and angels. I tend towards the fairly plain.
I don't want to rush the decisions as they seem so important. James' inquest will be sometime this year and new baby is due to arrive in September, so there seems a lot going on.
It's interesting what Shabster said about having more children. We wouldn't have gone for number three if we hadn't have lost James, but baby is not a replacement. I am actually hoping for a girl. If it's a blond little boy again, it may be quite difficult. (ds2 is dark haired as are me and dh.) It does give you a new positive focus and the chance of a new sibling for Alex.

God bless all of us, LouiseAnn

feedmenow · 02/05/2008 13:58

Lottie, hope you had a fun morning with Mr HE!!

I heard Let it Be last week and found it artehr touching. Am listening to it right now too.

Trips, how is DH?

Shabs, LousieAnn, I am very interested in how and why people go on to have more children. I find myself in a bit of a quandry about it. You see, I've always pictured our lives with 3 children. And although Eris is always going to be in our lives and we have our 3 children, the picture is not the way I thought it would be. We wanted the joy of having a baby who would grow into a child, who would grow into an adult, etc, etc. I know that lots of peopl in my position decide very soon (some immediately!) to try for another baby and I am sure that we will do when the time is right. But the problems I have are that first off I can't get my head round the replacement idea. To me, I definately would not have had another if Eris had stayed with us. So some part of my brain keeps lighting up this thought that another baby WOULD be a replacement. It's silly really that I do this, but I literally seem to have 2 "people" in my brain, one saying it would be a replacement, and the other saying it isn't really like that and that we'd still be able to love ALL our children.

Next is the time factor. The night I found out Eris had gone, our consultant said something about doing a post mortem incase we ever decided to go on and have another. At the time I thought it would be at least a year before I could possibly feel ready to try. In the first few weeks after her birth I longed for a baby to hold. Although I knew I wanted her and not just any baby, the thought kept coming into my head that the sooner the better. Also with regard to time, dp feels that he would rather try sooner cos he doesn't want to be an old dad. He (rightly) thinks that it could take a while to conceive, etc, etc. Also, we already have quite an age gap with the children (dd is 9 in 3 weeks, ds is 6) and I don't want to wait to long in that respect.

BUT, I just don't know that I am emotionally any where near ready, or that I ever will be.

I have to say, I'm not really asking you all to tell me what to do. I'm more just getting my thoughts off my chest in a safe and unbias place.

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LouiseAnn · 02/05/2008 14:25

FMN - I know it is a difficult one. Within about an hour of finding out James had died, I was thinking "I could have another one." So I wanted one straight away. It took three months to decide that it was an ok idea and to persaude my husband. One way I looked at it was that I had lost three things:

  1. My beautiful James, my eleven year old that I was very proud of and who was my friend. He was unique and irreplaceable.
  2. My Alex had lost a brother.
  3. I had lost a child. There was a space.

Having this new one will do nothing to replace my James, and will not go all the way to replace Alex's brother as there will be an 8.5 year age gap. Baby will not be a playmate to Alex in the way James was.
However, a new baby will do something about no.3.

There is no rush for you. I felt a bit of a rush as I turned 40 just after James died, but now I have joined the 40+ pregnant mums thread on MN, I don't feel old at all!

Give yourself some time. Talk to your dp/dh and trusted friends. I also talked to my counsellor.

love from LouiseAnn

dippymother · 02/05/2008 16:34

FMN - It's difficult to decide when or if to have another baby. I also had this decision to make. When Adrian died, I felt empty and alone, I had no other children so the house seemed quiet (and clean!). I did return to work (in a Bank) to keep myself busy, plus it was a job I had loved before children. In my lunch hour, I looked at other mothers with envy. People did actually say that I shouldn't rush into it because a new baby would just be a replacement for Adrian. However, I and DH took no notice of what people might think and I got pregnant three months after Adrian died. I also felt the need to conceive quickly because of our ages! Christopher was born 10 days before the first anniversary of Adrian's death. However, Chris looked nothing like Adrian, and was a completely different child with his own personality etc. I have never considered Chris to be a replacement but it gave me a purpose in life again which my job just couldn't fulfil anymore. Above all, it helped me to come to terms with the grief I felt and begin the healing process as I had another little person to care for. I then went on to have Claire and know deep down that I probably wouldn't have had her if Adrian was still here so maybe it was just meant to be.

I am sure that another baby will NOT be a replacement and that you will have enough love for all your children. You and your DP will come to a decision soon and whatever that decision is, I am sure you will be well supported by your family and friends and so will begin the healing process for you too.

feedmenow · 02/05/2008 16:46

Thank you Louise and Dippy. I'm very bad at anything emotional and decision wise that involves me. It seems I always have to make the biggest decisions in my life when I am hormonal and emotional!!! If one of my friends was going through this I would be able to see things very logically, but being the one in the midst of it is altogether different!

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shabster · 02/05/2008 19:56

Believe it or not we have never conciously planned any of our sons!! Took us four years of trying to get the twins and, God only knows, where Matt and Tom came from.

It just kind of happened....a touch of ce sera sera. I thought for many years that I would just have Danny but....well, the rest is history.

Im going round to see my friend, she only lives a few streets away and she has a 10 yr old son so the two boys will play together.

No doubt I will be on later, tipsy and telling you all that I love you.....

lottiejenkins · 02/05/2008 20:12

Hi all Wilf eventually got home at ten to six!! I was getting slightly worried, hope everyone has a good weekend... ours should be manic to put it mildly.

frasersmummy · 02/05/2008 21:53

FMN within a few weeks of losing Fraser I just new I had to try again.

Everyone tried to tell me to wait that rushing into a new baby wasnt the answer .. but I was desperate for a child.

We were lukcy and fell pregnant right away and Ross was born less than a year after we lost Fraser.
Having 2 pregnancies near enough back to back was very hard
Because the boys birthdays were soo close together I found when Ross reached a major milestone I was thinking Fraser should have done this 12 months ago.

I did worry about replacing Fraser but as soon as I held Ross those feelings disappeared..he was just someone to love and cuddle. He didnt make the hurt go away ..just gave me someone to concentrate on

sorry bit of ramble tonight .. I guess I am trying to say is you just have to do what is right for you.

feedmenow · 02/05/2008 22:31

Anyone around? Have just got home after having dinner out with a few friends and could happily throttle dp, lazy bugger that he is!!! Curtains not closed, cats not fed, take away rubbish not put in bin, dd's bedroom light still on and ds absorbent sheet not on his bed (only just managing being dry at night and still prone to accidents - guess who'll have to change all the bedding tomorrow and clean the mattress if he has an accident!!) Men!

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lilyloo · 02/05/2008 22:38

i here fmn and agree 'bloody men' !

triplets · 02/05/2008 22:40

Hi everyone,
My Matthew was born in 1979, when he was 2 we tried for another baby, by the time he was 14 it was obvious it was not going to happen, we didnt bother about testing as we had our lovely gorgeous boy. Then he collapsed and died. Empty empty world. After two years of living hell my GP said why didnt we have some tests done and it turned out that I was goingthrough an early menopause. We had two attempts at ivf, no follicles, so we went to London, to Sir Robert Winstons and his team at the Hammersmith, they said we needed a donor and I had to find my own, I did. The result, my amazing trio, a daughter I never ever thought I would have, and two lovely boys, one the image of Matthew, I was almost 46!!! They can never replace, nor do they, we talk about Matthew all the time, so they feel they "know" him, but I can so remember one day when we took Matthew some flowers to the cemetery, they were al playing near him, and I had gone to get some water. I remember watching them play near his headstone, giggling, and I said out loud, "you wouldnt be here if he wasnt there" . I want them all, have them all, but never stop missing the one who isn`t here xxx

shabster · 03/05/2008 01:53

Oh My new friends - this last post is from my Old friend Trips. I am struggling to find the right words to say.......I am not usually soppy BUT Good night Trips, love you always and forever.

Night night ladies. xxxxxx

lottiejenkins · 03/05/2008 14:51

Hello all.................hope you are having as nice weather as we are!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 03/05/2008 18:47

Hello ladies, what a glorious day we have had today. The bbq has been lit and the veg kebabs will be cooking away soon

FMN - my situation is a wee bit different to yours, as Cole was our first (and at the time) and only child, so when he died our family unit had completely gone. It was always out intention that we would have our next child when Cole was about 18 months old, but due to his illness that wasn't possible. When Cole died we knew straight away that we would forge ahead with our plans for our next child, because 1. it was what we planned to do all long, and 2. we felt that such a huge thing was missing in our lives.

Luckily we conceived straight away, and whilst I don't regret getting pregnant, it has brought up many issues for us (especially me).

Luckily for me I have the most wonderful midwife (independant) who has become like a friend and confidant to me. She has made me realise that all of the conflicting emotions I am feeling are normal and valid. For example, during a low patch I felt dreadfully guilty that if I could have the choice, I would terminate the baby I was carrying if I could have Cole back. Of course I knew that that could never happen, but I felt guilty for thinking so negatively about the new baby before it had even been born. I also worried that I would be at a higher risk of post natal depression (I am not apparantly).

The new baby will be born a month after Cole's 2nd birthday, and a month before the anniversary of his death, so I know it is going to be a weird time for us. But, I do not regret our decision to go ahead and have another child, and I do not see this baby as a replacement. I know this wee boy will be his own person, and if he looks like Cole .......... well, he will be beautiful

Sorry for the ramble, I just thought another point of view may help.

Triplets - how is your dh? I have been keeping an eye on your other post, to make sure you are all well, but haven't seem it about over the past few days.

Much love and peace to you all xx

triplets · 03/05/2008 22:27

Hi,
Dh is is struggling today, he is expecting too much of himself and things have been fraught! Just oneof those days when people have turned up to see him, phone constantly ringing, kids being really naughty, very tough not to snap. He is obviously still very weak from the surgery, has no appetite at all, and is getting snappy.........its going to be tough for a while. Thank you for asking about him, I think there are going to be many days lke today, but hopefully good ones too!

shabster · 04/05/2008 09:47

Morning girls. Sorry I missed you last night Trips.

All is quiet at my house. Hubby and Son fast asleep. Lets hope it stays like that for a while...I like the peace and quiet

lottiejenkins · 04/05/2008 10:22

Hi all, i'll add the link from my other post for you all to see what happened in my house last night! Bless my wonderful son!!
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/1375/524586?stamp=080503213034
Hope things are better for you today Trips xx

LouiseAnn · 04/05/2008 15:22

Hello Ladies. I hope we are all having a relaxing weekend.

This thread is really helping me. I hope it is helping others too.

Love from LouiseAnn

frasersmummy · 04/05/2008 19:11

Hi Guys

This thread is a great help..its nice to have a place to be able to talk about my experience without people wincing or changing the subject.

I used to feel so alone.. I know there are support sites out there but they all seem soo dark and depressing ... this just feels so different somehow

I have just seen another poor mum who has lost her little boy.. thread called my beautiful brave harry bear

I have encouraged her to come join us..though I dont think I did a very good job with the link .. even though I do IT support for a lving

hope you are all having a relaxing bh weekend

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