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mummylin2495 · 11/09/2013 12:47

Well here we are again on a brand new thread,hopefully we can all move on a bit to a more accepting phase in our lives.

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waterlego6064 · 22/09/2013 10:08

Thank you mummylin. I am sure you're right about stress. My parents' illnesses have made me really paranoid about my health. I'm going to see the GP this week- for reassurance if nothing else!

ssd · 22/09/2013 10:27

hi waterlego, sorry you're feeling so bad. I agree with mummylin, I'm sure its all the stress of just now. I've been at the doctors more this past year than any other, I think I'm looking for a solution to my feelings of loss and it shows in physical symptoms but I don't think the doc is the answer for me. I think its my brain that needs an overhaul!! I remember reading somewhere, bereavement isn't something we go through, its something that goes through you. And it takes as long as it takes. All we can do is try to look after ourselves and stay as strong as we can, even though we are broken inside where no one sees. I don't know what the answer is, but I think knowing we all feel for you, and badvoc and so many of us here, helps a little bit and stops us feeling so alone. Its awful to know others are feeling as bad as us, but in a way its a comfort to know how we feel must be normal as we all feel the same.

hugs for us all here xxx

mummylin2495 · 22/09/2013 13:04

It's very helpful to have this thread to be able to share things. And if we read through we basically all have the same / similar feelings and thoughts. I'd does help to know we aren't alone and it def helps to be able to say things knowing that others understand completely what we mean. Glad you are going to your doc waterlego. You are under immense strain at the moment and it can only help you. You need to be strong in the coming months, and if you are healthy it will help you to cope. I can't imagine the strain your mind and body will be going through, so yes doc def the way for you.

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waterlego6064 · 22/09/2013 13:39

Thanks again; I really appreciate your thoughts. This place is such a huge support; I feel reassured that you lovely folks are here, and sharing so many of the feelings I have (though, as you say ssd, I'm sad that others have to be going through it too...I wouldn't wish it on anyone).

I will see the GP and won't be fobbed off. By that, I mean, I won't allow them to tell me it's just stress and send me away. I'm going to ask to have my thyroid checked and ask that they rule out any other possible physical causes. And then, if it really is 'just' stress and exhaustion, I will ask if there's anything they can do to help.

As you say mummylin, I am going to need some strength to face the next few months. More strength. This year has already forced me to raid every single nook and cranny of my being for little pockets of strength I didn't know I had. And now I'm going to need yet more.

Tell you what makes me proud though I have an addictive personality, and have struggled with a couple of quite major addicti

waterlego6064 · 22/09/2013 13:40

...addictions in the past. The stress and trauma of this year has not (yet) made me go back to my old ways, and I'm really proud of that.

How are you folks doing? Hope this weekend is ok for everyone. x

Badvoc · 22/09/2013 13:58

Well, I have had a manky throat for the past week.
Headaches every day.
I just...ache. All over. All the time.
So I think that grief and stress can have a major physical effect in the body.
All that cortisol and adrenaline rushing about our blood streams...it's no wonder we feel dreadful.
X

t875 · 22/09/2013 17:05

Oh waterlego well done on your not old ways Smile I can tell you what. I felt exactly the same I. The mornings. Some days when I felt like that I had to to literally drag myself out of bed and put on homes under the hammer or get on with something as I'd think. I know my mum was giving me a shove too!! I think grief does knock you for six though. And get being you depression some days I've had to fight to stay about the turbulent waters. X

waterlego6064 · 22/09/2013 17:35

Thank you so much all. It's reassuring to know that others have had real physical problems too (though I'm sorry to hear it). badvoc What you said re cortisol and adrenaline makes a lot of sense. This week, I am planning in a few sessions of time for myself. Partly this will involve exercise (which I love and which always helps my mental wellbeing), but also some times of doing bugger-all (the idea of half an hour watching mindless telly really appeals, t875, and is something I haven't done for a long time.) I will make myself do it, and will try my best to switch off the guilt which will no doubt go with it. Am also going to a Buddhist centre with my friend on Wednesday, for a meditation class followed by lunch. Lots of nice things to look forward to and help me recharge my batteries.

Hope this week brings some good days for you all. Thank you again, so much, for your kindness and support. x

Badvoc · 22/09/2013 18:35

Hope you enjoy your day out Lego x

supermariossister · 22/09/2013 18:52

sorry I've not been around much ds is really trying me lately. he is just so gobby he has an answer for everything and I'm trying my bloody best nothing is good enough Sad.

waterlego6064 · 22/09/2013 19:30

Oh supermario :( Just what you don't need. How old is your DS?

ssd · 22/09/2013 19:30

that's kids for you supermario, sometimes we could scream at them, they would drive you insane. how old is ds?

badvoc, do you take multi vits? It sounds like you need a tonic (maybe put a gin in it Grin)

am away to wrestle ds2 from the xbox to do his homework, wish me luck.....

glossyflower · 22/09/2013 19:32

Hello.
I have only just discovered this thread.
My dad passed away almost 5 months ago, I still feel like I haven't grieved enough. Like I feel really sad but I can't cry.
I cried a lot just before he passed away when he was poorly in hospital and a couple of weeks ago had a bad few days, but its like it isn't really real.
I was very close to my dad and miss him immensely.
Here is a letter I posted to my dad on another thread.
(To give you an idea of background).
On this other thread other posters said my letter inspired them to do the same to their passed on loved ones.
It may help some of us others too.

...

Dear dad,

As an only child, me you and mum were always very close. I remember all the things we did together; spending time on the allotment; going to the seaside to collect stones for your garden; BBQ's we'd have every year for mums birthday; going to see Manchester United play against Bayern Munich in Barcelona; our lovely summer holidays abroad (that time you didn't fancy the pool one afternoon, so I braved going alone only to come back with green hair because I didn't know there was something wrong with the water and the pool was closed); the time I was crying in hospital and asked you to come - you and mum dropped what you were doing and came right away; the time in Zante when we went on a big boat and you coaxed me to jump off into the water with you; the time you took me on a driving lesson and I kept kangarooing and stalling, until you got inpatient and made me get out then you stalled the car; the time you gave me away at my wedding, and on the way there we sat in the back of the car holding my hand so tightly; the time when I found out I was pregnant with your first grandchild and I phoned to tell you first; all the times we would hold competitions as to who could burp the loudest; the times when mum would work nights and I would sleep in your bed with you; the times when we would take my dogs for walks, and you chasing Ruby who ran to a young couple and jumped up at them with muddy paws; the times when I was little you would carry me up to bed; the time I graduated as a nurse and you had the video camera on me collecting my certificate - only you videoed the wrong person and by the time you realised I was coming off the stage; every sunday morning me you and mum would sit having breakfast in bed with you reading The Sun, mum reading a magazine and me reading a comic...I could go on and on!!

Dad, I know you have struggled over the past year, having your bone marrow transplant, and having nasty infections as a result of the chemotherapy. Your transplant was successful but for some reason it was as if you knew your time was coming. You would say things like, 'My aim is your wedding/baby/mum's 50th birthday'. I'd say 'dad, what are you saying that for? You are well again!'
I think since Christmas, you haven't really been yourself. You gradually shut down, couldn't eat, couldn't walk properly, got muddled - the doctors could only explain it by thinking you were depressed.
So everyday either mum or me would make you get up, try and make you eat, and make you go for a walk with us up to the cut and back - I would even time you to give encouragement to show how well you were doing.
But, you wasn't depressed. You caught a rare virus that affected your brain, unbeknown to us it was causing unspeakable irreversible damage.
On Easter sunday, you went into hospital. I was heavily pregnant and due to give birth in three weeks time.
One day you collapsed, and the doctors didn't know why. When you recovered, you then told mum and I that you were going. Mum asked 'where?'...you said 'heaven'. You said sorry to mum for having to leave her and told me to look after her.
At the time I just dismissed what you were saying as confusion, because you had been muddled up recently.

By the time I gave birth to your beautiful first grandchild, Jessica Rose Maria (Maria after your mum), you had deteriorated and was in a coma, ventilated in intensive care.
5 days after this, the doctors told us it was best to stop all your treatment.
By this point you was unrecognisable, your body was swollen with fluid, you had so many lines in your body so taking all that down made you look more like you again.
Not even a week old, Jessica would snuggle up in your arms, and you both lay there sleeping looking like two peas in a pod.
I held onto your hand and broke down, and I said to you through my tears that I loved you and it wasn't supposed to be like this. I felt guilty for crying in front of you, even though you were unconscious, because you would always say to me how you hate seeing me sad and to be happy.

Me and mum brought you home, and the day after you came home, we had Sky Sports on the tv, we had the doors and windows open as it was such a lovely sunny day, and you opened your eyes!
You couldn't speak, but mum, Jessica and me sat on your bed holding your hand and looking into your eyes that finally you WERE in there. After weeks of mum opening your eyelids to see where you were, and there was nothing, you finally opened your eyes and saw us!
Although you couldn't speak or move, you opened your eyes a few more times. One time, Jessica was crying and you opened your eyes and tried to turn your head to look. I told you it was the baby and asked if you wanted me to hold her up for you to see, you couldn't say yes but you nodded.
I held up Jessica, your lovely granddaughter, she was crying so loud but your eyes looked at her for the longest time.
I knew that you most definitely knew she had finally arrived, and that made me so happy.
At night, mum would push the sofa next to your bed and sleep by your side. I slept on the other sofa, and Jessica would sleep in her moses basket.
Every day, me and mum would wash you, dress you, I would change your tracheostomy dressing, and make you comfortable. The district nurses came, but we wanted to care for you ourselves, so they stopped coming as just asked us to call if we needed anything.
Your body got rid of all the extra fluid and you looked like my dad again, which was really nice to see.
We had friends and family come in and out all day to see you.

A week after having you home, one night, your breathing got noisy. Me and mum both laid down on the sofa next to you, me in the middle (like we did every sunday morning when I was little) and we knew that you were on your way.
After such a long battle, dad, you went to heaven on the 10th May 2013.
You were right (as you always are!), your aim was to see me get married and have a baby. You didn't make mum's birthday though, it's next week. I am arranging a big BBQ for her, and whilst making preparations, I found her last years birthday card from you.
In it said that you had the most wonderful loving and caring wife, to have a lovely day and that you would be thinking of mum.
That last part, a bit strange you would say you would be thinking of her, when you were actually with her on her birthday last year...I think you meant for this year when you knew you would not physically be here.
I am going to give it to her again on her 50th birthday next week.

Dad, me and mum are so lost without you, but I have had a wonderful 33 years with you, some people don't even get that - so I am so grateful that you are my dad.
Jessica won't remember you, and that makes me feel sad, but she will know you as I will make sure I tell her all about you and that you are with her.
Look after mum from heaven won't you? She misses you so much and I know she longs to be with you.

I love you so much.

Until we meet again, your ever loving daughter xxxx

supermariossister · 22/09/2013 19:44

ds is 6 going on sixteen and I'm totally at my limit Sad . that letter is beautiful very moving.

waterlego6064 · 22/09/2013 20:10

Hello glossyflower and welcome to this sad but wonderful thread. Your letter is beautiful, thank you for sharing it. I hope to write one for my dad too, but it's too soon and my thoughts are too muddled. I did write him a short letter which went in his coffin with him.

supermario That sounds hard :( Is he generally quite hard work or do you think he might be reacting in some way to your sadness? I don't mean that to sound like you would be responsible for his behaviour...just that I know that my DCs have been more challenging at times lately, and some of that I'm sure, is because they have seen me in all sorts of states this year. Big hugs to you.

supermariossister · 22/09/2013 20:21

I don't know I am not outwardly sad, even when we are doing fun things that he loves to do he seems incapable of stopping messing/making silly noises and is really rude to me. think I am less able to handle it lately and need to stop arguing back

mummylin2495 · 22/09/2013 20:36

Hello glossyflower what a wonderful letter to your dad. Thankyou for sharing it with us. I have put up Xmas and birthday cards I have had sent to me previously from my lovely mum. I can't explain it, but it really makes me feel comforted doing that. Welcome to our thread.
waterlego massive respect for you not slipping back into previous addictions.
supermario sorry you are feeling so wretched at the moment. The trouble is when you aren't feeling up to things yourself, every .little thing can be annoying.i know that you have a lot on your plate and that won't help either. Hope things improve soon
Hi to everyone. Hope you are all ok Thanks for you all

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t875 · 23/09/2013 00:29

Oh glossy flower brought tears to my eyes. What a lovely but sad letter. I bet your dad loved it. I also still wrote just random notes for my mum and also I made up a poem and read it on the day of the funeral god knows how I did but I bet she loved me doing it and the words in the poem as it brought in crafty things we did together and waft she did with her g children.
Take care and pop in anytime. T care. Xx
I think my girls get affected by me and grief. I've struggled on and off last 3 days. And they have been very p emotional.

Reward charts need to come into play as they r running rings round us! Answering back all the time and constantly wanting to loom at a screen - tv. Phone and laptop pcs. We have had to be strict and it's like super nanny might as well moved in! Lol.

What so u guys do about computers and answering back and my god the tantrums of the 9 year old when told 'no'

Hope your going along best you can today xx

vladthedisorganised · 23/09/2013 08:47

Hi glossyflower. What a lovely letter. I hope you find that this thread gives you some of the support you need: I've found it immensely helpful to have people in the same situation to talk to. I've never managed to write a letter to Mum yet but I do find myself saying "Is this all right?" to her when I'm not sure of things.

Waterlego I really admire you for holding out, especially at this time. I had eating disorders in my teens and I know at times of stress I need to watch out for the triggers before it starts over again. It's incredibly hard and you must be such a strong person to manage it.

supermario you have my sympathy! I had the flu over the weekend (which I had put down as a bad cold but turned into full-blown flu where I couldn't move for two days) and DD had the mother of all tantrums about going to nursery today. She normally loves it but DH had to extract her from the house screaming blue murder today. I have told her that if she has a tantrum over my switching the TV off then she's to have no more TV in the mornings for a week (normally I use it to distract her while I brush her hair, but it's not worth it if she acts up).
It's all so draining though.

I find I put a hell of a lot of pressure on myself to be the perfect parent with a 1950s child - no TV, no plastic, Stepford smile and nicey-nicey voice all the time - and without Mum to balance it ('ha, yes, I tried that, lasted about a week before I plonked you in front of Sesame Street in despair, trying to justify it to myself by saying 'at least she's learning Spanish'..'). Usually when I'm having an awful time with DD is about the same time as someone pops up being the perfect parent to the perfect child ('DS just isn't interested in TV these days, he'd much rather be making rockets with Mummy out of yoghurt pots!').
One thing I cling to is that a good friend of mine who is the gentlest, nicest soul you can imagine was horrendous as a preschooler. You'd never know to look at him now.

t875 · 23/09/2013 11:50

Hello vlad. Made me smile reading your post about Sesame Street and learning Spanish and educational don't forget :-)
My children are driving me mad with screens! Don't mind the gadgets but I can't get then to do anything else. They have an hour computer time for games - eldest sims and the youngest mine craft. It's after their h work in the week a bit more at weekend but really having to work hard on them doing other things with them. They are going from one screen to the other and the constant answering back! Ugh! Reward chart me thinks! Lol xx

mummylin2495 · 24/09/2013 20:23

Hello everyone. Hope you are all doing ok. badvoc how is your mum doing and how are you ?
marshy hope you are also coping ok, have you heards any apdates from the hospital regarding dates for your op or anything ?
t875 here's hoping your ,ids have calmed down a bit now. They are so hard to cope with sometimes aren't they. Especially when your not in the best of places yourself
waterlego how are things going with your mum ?
supermario here's hoping that your kids are also being a bit kinder to you as well.
To all of you, I send you all these Thanks and hope it cheers you a bit amongst all the sadness. Especially for those of us who are having to cope with the almost unbearable sadness.
I think of you all ssd , biscuits thinking of you both too

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Badvoc · 24/09/2013 20:39

Hi Lin.
I don't know how I am.
Mum is grieving deeply which is hard to witness.
It's my youngest sons 5th birthday tomorrow. What should be a joyful day is tinged with unbearable sadness for me.
My aunt went back to the hospital today. It's not good news...possible lung, stomach and breast cancer.
It feels so unrelenting ATM.
Thanks for thinking of me Lin x

t875 · 24/09/2013 21:24

Badvoc omg your poor thing. It is extremely hard to move forward for the kids birthdays my youngest was June so pretty close to losing my mum. I tried hard to keep it as ' normal' as I could. I brought her a little gift from my mum but it was definately tinged with sadness. We also had a teddy cat she got from my dad and we called it nanny cat and she could hug it whenever she wanted and I also was there to give 'nanny hugs' but my word what you are going through with your other relative is devastating to hear. Hope your son has a good birthday best it can go Hun.

Lots of hugs to you!! X

Mummylin - yes we have got a happy medium with the screens thank god! Back to the reward chart when they do something that doesn't involve a screen they get a star and eldest after 10 stars gets £3 and youngest a comic :) it can get easy to focas on the negative with them so weve had a good chat and turned a page Smile
How are you??

Not bad here hanging in there, quite hard at the moment. more wrenching to look at pics of her though. And talking about her. Hate the fact she won't see eldest turn 13! She will see I know but not physically. :-( x

Hope everyone is going along best you can x

mummylin2495 · 24/09/2013 23:29

Hello t875 iam fine but just beginning to get the flutters of nerves in my stomach knowing that next month is looming. I don't know if you recall but I have my mums and my sisters anniversaries both within 4 days, which is such a sad time. But I have now done it before and I will get through it again.
badvoc your poor poor aunt. I feel so sorry for her, what a lot she has to go through now. It is very sad for your mum, but your mum and dad were married for so long it's like losing half of herself. It must be an awful feeling. Plus being ill herself dosent do much to help her. Then there is you. I don't know how you are supposed to cope with everything that you have had to for the last 3 months. But in spite of it all you are still getting through each day, with difficulty sometimes I'm sure , but you are doing it, so I think you are stronger than you give yourself credit for.
Love to you all

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Badvoc · 25/09/2013 06:50

It's my sons birthday today.
The first family celebration without dad.
Not sure how I feel really....tired mostly.
It's my friends dads funeral tomorrow and I am going to support her.
Thanks for your kind words T and Lin Flowers
I honestly don't know how I am coping...badly I suspect.
October will be a very hard month for you Lin :( me too...my eldest nephews b day and then mine.
Dads tree is planted! It's lovely and the plaque looks very smart.
Love to all x