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Is DS2's musicality hindering his speech development?

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lingle · 05/09/2008 09:44

DS2 has just turned 3. He has over 200 words but rarely strings them together. His "Party piece" is the three word phrase "More+[desired object]+Please" (used many times each day) and every day we might get one or two phrases like "open door" or "big jump".

His frustrations, tantrums and rigid preferences were a big worry ASD-wise but they peaked at about 2.6 and have been fading to insignificance now as his understanding, confidence and speech slowly (oh so so slowly) improve. His imaginative play is very limited but I've seen him impersonating a dog (licking grandad's arm even!) and his toy dogs have woof-woof conversations with each other and various objects on one's head are "hat". He adores playing trains and rough and tumble games with his kind older brother and nursery say he "tries" to talk to the other children there.

DS can, however, sing an entire album of 10 long children's folk songs (each song having about 6 verses)which he has memorised. His is practically word perfect in doing this(though incomprehensible if you didn't know the tunes). He can do it all himself or take turns with me singing one line at a time or one verse at a time, or he sings the verse and I hum the instrumental. His relative pitch is so good that he starts each subsequent song in correct key relative to the song before as per the recording he knows - something few adults could do. He understands musical jokes - substitution of wrong notes in a known melody on the piano, etc, and thinks they are hilarious.

We had to greatly reduce his tv watching because he seemed so intently lost in the world of the programmes. He concentrated intently for hours if allowed - far too passive. His behaviour improved enornmously after turned the tv to the wall.

I try to use speech therapy techniques with him but when a word reminds him of a song in his repertoire, he tends to respond by initiating the song instead of talking about what he had been doing.

There's clearly some genetics here as we have professional musicians in the family. I'm happy he's musical but feel he's living in a musical world rather than our world. Clearly, music does help - he can say oft-heard phrases from talking books that have a musicality to them eg "I do not like green eggs and ham" and "Duffy driver applied the brakes with a screech" even though he can't say "I like cake" or "the brakes screech".

It's as if the music part of his brain has developed so much that language only fits in within music and rhythm. DS1 was similar - could sing pitch perfect like a choirboy at 12 months singing "awa" - no words(this really is true, my mummy friends confirm it wasn't fantasy) long long before he could talk. And when he finally did start to talk normally, the musicality faded. DS2 has an August birthday and his speech is worse that DS1s, hence the sense of hurry.

HELP! What on earth do I do?

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cyberseraphim · 23/09/2008 09:34

DS1 started talking using 'gone' - 'all gone' 'chocolate gone' 'crisps all gone' .... Mummy's will to live, nearly 'all gone'...

lingle · 23/09/2008 11:03

rofl.

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lingle · 24/09/2008 09:26

I've looked on the Hanen website for their courses but couldn't find any in Yorkshire (pref the Leeds or Bradford areas). Am I being thick? Can anyone help?

Has anyone else bought any of Hanen's other books/DVDs? Would you recommend any?

PS DS2 is now saying that foodstuffs are "gone" with great glee. Hurrah. We officially now have two phrases. He must know the SALT is visiting nursery on Friday .

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lingle · 03/11/2008 22:58

Just an update. DS2's musicality does appear to be fading as his speech improves as some of you predicted might happen.

His access to any recorded music is now pretty much limited to the car - he loved the journey from Yorkshire to Dorset at half term.

He still sings to himself some of the time, and loves reciting "1,2 buckle my shoe!" but more often he is role-playing his play with adored DS1 (oh!DS1's a monster! Oh DS1!).

Two months ago I felt he experienced life as we might experience being in the chorus for an opera sung in a foreign language - mostly music with the odd talking bits. Now it's more a musical. Quite a bit of talking with lots of music too.

Meanwhile DS1's musically has now completely gone as he is evincing a taste for Andrew Lloyd Weber and sings completely tunelessly.

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smallwhitecat · 06/11/2008 16:34

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lingle · 06/11/2008 20:12

Of course! late talking musical boys are my favourite subject. There is a private messaging system on mumsnet (so as not to exchange personal details in public) but I can't work out how to use it!!!!

do you have an email address you can give me on here?

I've had two late talking musicians now...

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smallwhitecat · 07/11/2008 13:47

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tortoiseshellWasMusicaYearsAgo · 07/11/2008 13:51

Saw this thread in Active Conversations, thought I would update with ds2 who is 2.6 now. He is speaking a bit more, lots of words, not totally putting them together yet though, but his singing is WAY ahead of where I would have thought it would be! Ds1 sang in a new opera a few weeks back, and ds2 is singing that all round the house - it's very 'modern' music, but he gets it pretty well note perfect, and once you home in on what he's singing, you can make out the words sort of.

He's been referred for a hearing test just to make sure there isn't a problem, but I honestly think he is just hearing the world in a slightly different way (pitches and rhythms rather than vowels and consonants). And since I'm a pro musician and dh is a semi-pro musician it's not totally surprising really!

lingle · 07/11/2008 20:20

Wow, so he really does live in the chorus of an opera tortoiseshell!

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