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Overwhelmed with new baby - please tell me it's normal to feel like this

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neuroticlady · 12/02/2008 12:32

Our baby is just over a week old. My DH and I are in a state of shock, I think. Everyone warns you what hard work it is but the reality has hit in a way we never expected and, if I am honest, we are both looking at each other and questioning why we had him. We both have had difficulty admitting this to each other but at least we're talking to each other about it. What makes it worse is that this is very much a 'wanted' baby - we went through years of trying before he came along. It makes how we feel so much worse to deal with.

Baby is currently screaming and we can't work out why, we're both exhausted and feeling pretty miserable, the house is a tip, our old lives look pretty good right now. Please can someone tell me they had similar feelings and that it will get better....? Thank you from a stressed new mum and dad!

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neuroticlady · 21/02/2008 10:57

Oh god I've got such a lump in my throat after reading all your lovely posts and words of encouragement. Thank you all, so, so much. For the tips, the links, the encouragement, the promises it will get better. Boy, do I need to hear it at the moment. I've been very weepy and down again today. I keep crying over the breastfeeding - even typing this is setting me off. We saw the paediatrician today over the baby's fractiousness at night and as he's not putting on much weight in relation to how much he's feeding, and the consistency of his poos (sorry if tmi) the paed suspects a cow's milk intolerance and has given us a prescription for a special formula. Well I feel even worse now because if I had been able to breastfeed this wouldn't be an issue, or at least not yet. The poor little mite is only 17 days old and he got nothing in the way of sustenance or protection from me, and I feel utterly devastated about it. I wish I had tried harder to make it work, and I will have to live with the fact I chose to stop trying.

I know it's all part of this damn illness (along with crashing hormones and sleep deprivation) but I feel pretty hopeless as a mother so far: unable/unwilling to breastfeed and unable so far to love my son. Thank god he knows nothing of this...

Sorry to be sounding a bit bleak again. I'm sure I'll pick up once the anti-depressants kick in. Thank you again for all your words of encouragement. x

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legalalien · 21/02/2008 11:07

NL - not very helpful but I do know just how you feel - I wasn't able to breastfeed, and DS wasn't a big drinker, and it made me feel absolutely useless. when the baby is very young, it seems to me that nutrition / how much they drink / how much weight they put on is the only way we have of measuring how well we're doing - and we put far too much emphasis on it as a result. Mumsnet is littered with stories of mums feeling guilty about their babies not keeping up with growth charts / being told by HVs to feed them more....

despite the fact that you are feeling crp you are there*, and you're doing the best that you can (and concerned to ensure that you're doing the best that you can) - and that's pretty good in my book.

wobbegong · 21/02/2008 13:11

Hang on in there NL- you are doing fine. You are not hopeless as a mother- you have a healthy baby which you are caring for as best as you can.

Many of us do not love our babies at first sight- it is hard to love something which is causing nonstop grief. Like you say, he will not know. His needs are simply for food, being held and having his health monitored. My guess is you are doing all three. Sorry to hear you are weepy today, take good care.

claraquitetirednow · 21/02/2008 13:23

NL - I have dipped in and out of this thread but the fact that it has got so long, so quickly (and I therefore have not been able to keep up with it due to having a two-year-old and ten-week old vying for my attention....) shows how much empathy there is out there to what you are going through. I am sure I am not the only one who wishes they could pop over to see you with a big tin of chocolate biscuits and a couple of tea bags. I was lucky after I had my first daughter and was a member of a really good NCT antenatal group. I found just talking to everyone else and realising they were going through the same traumas as I was really, really helped. I hope you will be getting that from Mumsnet and soon from your groups.

Anyway I am waffling far too much but just wanted to add my voice to the others - you sound like you are doing fabulously, it can't be easy being so far away from your parents at this point.

I know it's not easy but PLEASE don't get stressed about the breast feeding. Formula is not poison, it is a fantastic substitute that we are lucky enough in this day and age to have available to us. Most of our generation were raised on formula and look at us now

Keep posting and good luck!

Habbibu · 21/02/2008 14:46

NL, I think we all have plans for the kind of mothers we're going to be, and most of those fall by the wayside! Some are difficult and emotionally painful, like breastfeeding, and I think you need to allow yourself maybe a process of grieving for that decision - going through being upset to accepting it. He's had lots of sustenance and protection from you - he's safe, he's warm, he's fed and cuddled. He has everything he needs. You sound like a really strong and brave woman, even if it doesn't feel like it just now. It will get better. It will.

mears · 21/02/2008 15:01

NL - please do not punish yourself for things that are totally out of your control. Do not look to the past because you cannot change it - you need to focus on now and get yourself better.

You did not choose not to breastfeed - the circumstances you have described have had a major bearing on your ability to continue to breastfeed - these are outwith your control.

You are providing your baby with his needs. I suspected that perhaps he had an intolerance when you described the endless crying - not all babies who cry excessively have an intolerance though. Breastfed babies can exhibit intolerance too despite restricive maternal diet.

Once your nedication starts helping your PND you will be able to look at things more rationally.

You are a good mother - you will feel happier and you will start to enjoy being a family. You have taken the first steps for help - well done.

delcymru · 21/02/2008 16:14

It's normal to feel like that neuroticlady, but honestly it will get better. And you're not alone. Don't let your expectations of how life with a baby should be get in the way of how it is. Let's face it , it's tough going a lot of the time, especially at the beginning , but things change and you get into routine and you start to know what to do to get along. It might be worth reading Secrets of the Baby Whisperer by Tracy Hogg.It tells you how realise what type of baby you have and how to deal with them , seems like a good idea in theory, might be worth a try. At least being in Australia you can get out for loads of walks in the sunshine, do it whenever you feel down , stick the baby in a buggy and off you go.Try doing that and feeling better in wet and miserable Wales! Big hugs x

mellowma · 21/02/2008 16:22

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smallone · 21/02/2008 20:46

Just to echo what others have said, don't get to caught up in the weight thing. I did manage to breastfeed and dd used to wobble between the 2nd and 9th percentile lines. I used to feel guilty that I wasn't producing enough and that she would have been better on formula! My point is all of us worry about our babies and monitor everything on a daily basis, but really no pattern can be seen until they're about 4 months. Definitely check out the intolerance thing but I'm a great believer in babies and if he wanted more I'm sure he'd have more.

On another topic, I went to a talk about cranial osteopathy and although I was sceptical I was convinced that it has benefits. All they do is put their hands around the babies head and apply gentle but firm pressure, but this counteracts any underlying problems and pressures. Apparently it is very useful for babies born quickly (don't know if this was the case for you?) or awkwardly.

Hope tomorrow is a better day

ninedragons · 21/02/2008 22:29

You've done the most significant thing for your baby in getting yourself to the GP. Honestly, please stop flagellating yourself about the breastfeeding - you've done the very best you can and your baby is vigorous and healthy enough to be crying (as you well know ). A period of tweaking to get things right is not going to do any damage.

You'll find tiny little tricks that work with your baby and the discovery will make you feel like a Baby Goddess. Mine settles if I put my mouth just at her temple and exhale. She also prefers to be on her side than on her back. I was so thrilled when I worked these things out. It's HARD to communicate with someone who can't speak and can't tell you what they want, don't forget that.

ninedragons · 21/02/2008 22:33

And don't worry about the love thing.

I think it's a bit of a secret that not everybody feels the overwhelming rush in the delivery room.

I had a perfectly routine c-section and didn't. It's quite hard to admit but for the first week or so I thought she was cute but somehow not very much to do with me.

It will happen, though. You'll be just as batty about your baby as everyone else in due course!

LeonieD · 22/02/2008 12:15

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loulou33 · 22/02/2008 18:45

HI NL, yes Zoloft is a ssri type but has good reviews ie side effects not as bad as others such as prozac. they won't have started working yet but i think you'll 'feel' better for taking them (placebo effect)and you've had a few weeks of getting used to baby and motherhood so that will help. I would also second the post about getting 'overcoming depresion' by Paul Gilbert - its part of a series of self-help books which are excellent.

Also even if you 'only' keep him close to you in the sling, look into his eyes, smile occasionally, you will help calm him no end. I know its hard when you're depressed to engage with baby but its these little things repeated several times a day which will 'buffer' the effects of pnd on your relationship in the long term. when you smile at him and engage with him, his brain activity goes wild and he is learning all those important life skills. I know you might feel like dying inside (i know i did) but a smile (even through gritted teeth) will help you both feel closer to each other. and when he smiles back - oh boy!!!!

I think the group sounds great and roll on march so you can talk to other mums in the same position....

loulou33 · 22/02/2008 18:49

LeonieD i'm 8 weeks with baby no 2 and feel pretty much the same - why did i do it again, i swore blind last time, dh was not coming anywhere near me.....

oh and nl - you HAVE provided love, security, nurture for him, just not through your breasts - big deal!!!

neuroticlady · 23/02/2008 04:32

You know the most comforting thing about this thread? Not feeling alone. Even with most dark thoughts and moments that I have admitted to here, there has always been someone who has posted back and said 'me too'. Just knowing I'm not the first person in the world to feel this way is a huge help. And everyone, but everyone, has said it gets better. As I was bent double gulping air and trying to stave off a panic attack yesterday I held on to that thought. I know I am having the most ridiculous overeaction to our baby, who is really no better or worse than any other baby I am sure. It's just that motherhood, and the sheer responsibility that comes with it, the exhaustion, the repetition, the lack of time for myself, the unpredictability and the lack of reward at this stage - he's a feeding, crying, pooing machine right now - has absolutely knocked me for six. I'm 39 which is getting on for a first time mum and DH and I have had 16 years to enjoy a pretty selfish way of life. I've chased this hard during my 30s but I think the actual baby got lost somewhere along the line and it became more about my obsession with getting and staying pregnant. I honestly think I forgot that if it worked a baby would be the end result. I think loads of things have come back to bite me on the bum and have given rise to this massive over-anxiety. The psychologist says once we've tapped into the reasons I feel so sick when I hear the baby cry and why this is often a trigger for the surges of panic - and he says it may not be the most obvious reasons - we'll be well on the way to sorting me out.

Small steps: been out the last three days with him, meeting people for coffees etc. Giving DH a well earned break (he's up doing the through the night shift as that is the time of my greatest anxiety levels).

Having said that, I will be facing that fear on Sunday night as DH goes back to work on Monday. I know I just have to get on with it. Monday will be my first full day on my own with the baby. I am really scared (of what...?) but confronting my fears and is probably the way to beat them.

Thank you all for continuing to send such good advice and words of encouragement. I would not be getting help, and not be coping at all, without you!

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neuroticlady · 23/02/2008 04:36

Slightly incoherent post.. sorry, blame the lovely sleep deprivation thing

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liv01 · 23/02/2008 09:37

Yes- partner's first day back at work is really hard- mine eventually had to leave the house as I just sat crying trying yet again to latch my screaming baby onto my sore nipples. It was utterly miserable and I kept phoning him all day asking him when he was going to be home. Eventually you do get used to it. The way that I coped was by planning something to do every day- eg meeting someone for a coffee or going for a walk. Then I would get up in the morning with a plan for something to do which makes the time go more quickly until they come home and stops that feeling of loss of control.

I found it so hard, after (like you) having held down a responsible job and had a wonderfully selfish time travelling and enjoying life. I just was constantly amazed at how little I got done during the day, how totally out of control everything was, and how I had turned into a weeping mess from a capable career woman. But that feeling also fades and gradually little things start going well. It honestly took three months before I could look at my baby and not violently mourn my old life but I now adore her and cannot think of being without her.

missorinoco · 23/02/2008 19:25

i remember being scared the first day dh was out of the house for the day. really anxious.
it's another hurdle. once the first day is done, it's done.

agree, plan something either with someone in the house, or go out for a walk.

someone told me to take it one day at a time when you have a new baby, but i would say break it down into even less.
i have memories of being in tears as dh left for work some days, with my morning going terribly, but then it all being ok after an hour or two (for a ittle while anyway.)

hope you had some sleep.

Meandmyjoe · 23/02/2008 19:54

Oh God, I so remember the first day dh was back at work. I remember the panic rising a few days before and the sheer terror of getting up that morning. It reminded me of the first day back at school after summer holidays and not wanting it to happen at all. Trying to get dh to stay home for just five more minutes so I wasn't alone with ds.

I just remember being so scared and litterally counting the minutes til he returned. The thing is, I really think most people feel the same. Another thing is, I survived and so will you.

I know you don't realise it or believe it yet but you will get through this and everyday you are alone with ds you are learning about him and getting to know what works for you both. This is when the bonding begins, without you realising it. It's nothing miraculous or instant but a steady getting to know eachother and him knowing that you are there for him no matter what.

I remember being absolutely sickened by ds cries, especially when I was alone with him. I could feel my heart rate quicken and almost felt dizzy. It is a horrendous time but it does pass. I know so many people have told you the same but YOU CAN DO THIS. And you will cope. Sometimes it will be a struggle, sometimes you will cry or get angry or feel heartbroken but it will be worth it in the end.

How's the special formula working out? Has he been any more settled?

I think you are incredibly brave to be so honest about your feelings. I wish I had been more open in the beginning, maybe I had depression too but never dared admit it. The good news is that now when ds cries, my instant reaction is to comfort him, not run and hide. I know what works for us now and I adore him more than anything. This will happen for you. Just remember, not long til your parents arrive!

Please don't do what I did in front of relatives and say everything's OK. Inside I was screaming and so wished I had someone to help me. I felt like I was drowinig and nobody even knew. Keep being honest and you will be fine in the end. There is light at the end of the tunnel, I promise. xxx

Mymeems · 23/02/2008 20:04

I just wanted to say that I think you're doing amazingly, to be able to confront everything so honestly and openly is a huge thing. Many people struggle on in silence, not getting the help they need and deserve. I felt like you did after the birth of my DS. I sometimes felt like I hated my DP too..it was a very stressful time but it passed and I adore my son. Just posting on here and asking for help in RL too shows you want to do right by your baby, and yourself. It WILL get better, we are all right behind you!

mandymac · 23/02/2008 21:26

Just wanted to add that your DH can still do some of the night time stuff. I know it is easy to get into the mindset of thinking that as you are at home, you are not 'working' and so your DH who is going to 'real' work somehow needs his sleep more than you do - rubbish! . Having returned to work when my DD was 7 months old, I realised what a comparative doddle an office job is compared to being at home with a baby. Only then did I realise that I should have asked for more help at nights, even if it was just DH getting DD up, changing her and settling her back down when a feed was finished. With bottle feeding it should be fine for DH to do at least one night feed to give you a longer stretch of sleep.
I also second having something planned for each day. I signed up for baby massage classes which were good for meeting other mums (didn't really click with anyone from my antenatal group), also it gave me something to do with DD that wasn't feeding, changing, etc.
And don't fall into the trap of using the time when your DS is asleep during the day to catch up on housework, etc. Make eating and sleeping your absolute priority (as a complete domestic slattern, that is of course easy for me to say ).
Good luck for Monday - you will have lots of mumsnetters thinking of you.

cruisemum1 · 23/02/2008 22:03

perfectly normal. however many lo's you have

piggysgal · 23/02/2008 22:13

NL, if money is not too much of an issue could you get a night nanny a couple of times a week, just for a few weeks? If your anxiety levels are worse at night, this might be just the thing to help you relax. They do all the feeds and settling, so that you can sleep. We got a night nanny three nights a week when my daughter was six weeks old. I was expressing full time at that point, and just could not face doing double duty of both expressings and feeds every single night. We got our nanny through a reputable agency, and she was very experienced and full of good advice - and helped me (also a nervous first-time mum) relax a lot. She would be able to observe your baby's behaviour and give you some tips.

What might also help is to start getting your baby into a bit of a routine, which would bring a bit more predictability and regularity into your life - all good for the anxiety I would think. We used Gina Ford at first when my dd was very young, and although I don't really follow it strictly any more (dd has kind of got into her own routine now, based on a morning and lunchtime nap) it certainly helped me feel more in control of things at the start, and laid good foundations for where we are now.

My daughter is 4.5 months old and I am also a first-time mum. I gave birth afer my third ICSI cycle at 39 and recently turned 40. We tried to get pregnant for five years and I can totally relate to what you said about being so focussed on getting and staying pregnant that you lose sight of the fact that if you do actually get pregnant, you will get a baby at the end of it all. It is a huge shock to the system at this age isn't it? I was pretty lucky in that dd is a 'good' baby, but even so I still found it - and still do sometimes - find it hard. I also felt that I had ruined my life. It is the lack of control that is the main thing, I think. You are used to doing exactly what you want, when you want. And then suddenly you find yourself enslaved by a little dictator, who controls your entire life according to his whims - which are totally unpredictable. You don't get to eat, go to sleep, even go to the loo unless he allows it. It's like someone has dropped a nuclear bomb on your life.

Newborns are singularly unrewarding. They take, take, take, want all your time and attention, and give nothing back. And nothing that you do for them seems good enough. But it really does get better. Soon he will start giving you something back - and the love will begin to flow properly. That first smile is such a key moment in the process of things getting better. I guarantee that when you get that first little grin, your heart will melt. And after the smile will come coo's and gurgles and laughs. I have spent the afternoon today with my little one lying on my knee, as she loves to do, with me waggling her legs in the air while she laughs and gurgles with delight, and blows raspberries. I could not have forseen this four months ago! You will also soon get more sleep - by about six weeks they start to go longer, which really helps your sanity. And as time goes on they are much more distractable. I've got a whole load of toys and gadgets for dd (bouncer, activity gym, playnest, swing, bouncy chairs etc - I really don't give a toss if people think she has too much stuff!) and she is now happy to spend big chunks of time in them. So, with these to distract her while she's awake (and also thanks to her naps), I get to shower, do my hair and put on full make up every morning, have breakfast lunch and dinner, do jobs around the house, go on my computer and surf and order stuff, as well as watch telly a bit. And we also go out with her in the buggy every afternoon, and I usually end up in a coffee shop where I have a coffee and give her one of her feeds.

So you see, it's not all bad! A key step will be when you accept that your life has changed for good. At the moment you still have one foot firmly in your 16 years of freedom. But over the coming weeks and months the ties to that former life will loosen, and you will get used to the reality of your new existence, and come to accept it as the norm. And also welcome it. From what I have read and heard, it seems it only keeps on getting better as time goes on, and the babies develop into children with their own little personalities. Don't people all say that their kids are their life?

What I'm trying to say is that your current situation is TEMPORARY.

You obviously can't be as reassured as someone on their second baby, as you don't know all this yet. But you have to accept it's true. Otherwise why do most people go on to have second and third babies?

Gosh, this has turned out to be rather long hasn't it? Good luck NL. You'll be fine. People told me this at the time, and I can see now that they were absolutely right.

And one day, I bet you anything, you'll be telling the same thing to someone else

Kate x

piggysgal · 23/02/2008 22:22

'Still do often find it hard', I should have said, not just sometimes. Heck, maybe some day I'll graduate to 'sometimes' K x

Nessamommy · 24/02/2008 16:21

I felt the same way...and still do sometimes, however things have gotten much easier! Nobody can prepare you for this enormous change!! My son is 5 months old now, and I am so much more connected to him. It may be hard to see now..but things will get better!