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Furious with dd for lying to me.

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PavlovtheCat · 18/01/2014 08:02

Just sounding off really.

Dd and ds woke up early (7.5 and 4 yrs) at about 6:15. Ds asked for TV on, I said no, play with toys in their bedroom and I will be up in one hour. It was far too early. They did this quietly until 7am. Dd came up and told me the time, I said to give me 15 mins, and I would be up and we would have boiled eggs for breakfast. Yey, they said. I reminded them, no tv, and don't touch the iPad or laptop. 5 mins later. I heard them talking about wreck it Ralph. Which is an iPad app.

I got up, to find them playing with a toy, iPad next to them, looking shifty. 'We you on the iPad?' No. Said dd. I asked again. 'No!' 'Yes' said ds. 'Ds was on it' said dd. 'no I wasn't!' Said ds 'we both were!' I looked dd right in the eyes. Have you been on the iPad? 'Yes' said d sheepishly, 'I'm sorreeeee!'

I have banned her from the iPad indefinitely. Both of them. And the computer. None for at least the weekend, and probably for much longer. I reminded them it is not theirs so I won't give a time as right now I don't want them to ever go on it, as they seem to think its theirs. They have no respect for what is ours.

Anyway. I am more furious with the lying. Dd lied, when given the opportunity to stop that lie she lied again, then she tried to blame her brother. I know that is pretty normal for children to blame each other but to don't like this lying. I have told dd that it is much better to admit doing something wrong and get told off for that and it be done with than lie as that makes it so much worse.

I threatened to not let her go to a party, or do an activity she has planned on Monday. But, that seemed really mean, In the end it I said that I would not be making boiled eggs for breakfast as her punishment (which they were very upset about) and that she was not allowed to do anything at all in relationship to the computer. Which means she can't use it for her homework. That is punishment enough I think. We can go to the library for her homework and look at real books to find the answers !

I know it's our fault. We have given them both too much freedom to use the computers. We have always instilled that they must always ask for permission, they do not get free reign, and we take access away when they don't ask, for a day or two. but they seem to think they are theirs to play on, they get upset when we don't let them go on, like we are depriving them from something and they always want to go on it. It's all got too much and I want it to stop so I think we are going to just have no computers for a while.

I was so so furious!!! I feel better for writing it all down and having a good moan.

Is this the start of regular lying?! She has lied from time to time, not about huge things, but enough to try and avoid getting into trouble. And she is terrible at it!

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MrsDeVere · 18/01/2014 10:12

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WhatAFeline · 18/01/2014 10:26

Smile Mrs DV

Pavlov, I'm glad things are sorted.

differentnameforthis · 18/01/2014 10:42

I wouldn't expect my girls to sit & play in their rooms for an hour & they are 5 & 10. They are allowed to put the TV on, if it is school morning, they get dressed first!

Also, perhaps leave the ipad out of their reach? Yes, they should know not to touch it (especially at 7) but kids are infamous for forgetting or breaking rules.

No ipad, no party, no activity, no boiled eggs. WAY over the top.

Also, PLEASE do not use food as a punishment.

Viviennemary · 18/01/2014 10:51

You are handling this in completely the wrong way. This will only encourage lying and shiftiness in the future. If you don't want them to use the i-pad or whatever then it shouldn't be available. And it was unreasonable of you to leave them for so long to entertain themselves while banning them from using what was there. You are the one in the wrong not the children.

westl · 18/01/2014 11:12

I wouldn't even consider that a 'proper' lie tbh. If there's less than 30 seconds between the lie and then admitting the truth, it's really not a proper lie.

I'm glad you've sorted it now and I see you said you were calm with the children, but I think you need to address why you're 'furious' about this. It's such a massive overreaction, to even need post on here about it seems mad.

HerGraciousMajTheBeardedPotato · 18/01/2014 11:22

Good that you've resolved it between the three of you. You did come across as somewhat ratty earlier, but if it was pre-coffee I guess that's understandable! Well, to us, anyway. Dc, unfortunately, rarely understand the caffeine/mood thing - they just feel hurt. Even though they can be exactly the same when they are hungry. But they don't understand that, either.

FWIW, at that age our dc weren't allowed to leave their bedrooms (other than to go to the loo or come to us if I'll or hada bad dream) before 7am. There were toys, books, and bottles of water in their rooms. They could play together in each other's rooms once they were all awake, as long as they played quietly. It worked for us, most weekends. Why shouldn't the adults be entitled to a little lie-in? Why shouldn't the dc learn consideration and to respect another's privacy?

Clutterbugsmum · 18/01/2014 11:27

I have less of an issue with the lying then fact you have completely move the goal posts.

You admit that they have always had free range re the Tv, computer and I Pad and now you banned it all.

adoptmama · 18/01/2014 11:34

Wow, you are being way harsh. your kids entertained themselves,for,almost an hour while you lay in bed. The fact they finally touched the iPad is your fault not theirs, for leaving them unsupervised for so long. To,then threaten days of different punishments even though she apologized immediately is horrible of you tbh. you need to get things in perspective.

pictish · 18/01/2014 11:37

I hate lying just about more than anything else!
BUT - OP with all due respect, chill the fuck out and calm the fuck down.

Very harsh punishments indeed. Well OTT.

Perspective mate - that is what is required here.

adoptmama · 18/01/2014 11:39

And not only did they entertain themselves but you left a 7 year old to look after a 4 year old whilst you and you DH lay in bed. Get up, one of you, and care for your kids!

pictish · 18/01/2014 11:42

Sorry - I see order has been restored now. Grin

Anyway - make the punishment fit the crime in future. Be realistic.

Lifeofatortoise · 18/01/2014 11:47

Glad order has been restored, it reads as though going to the library and using books is a punishment though

Minnieisthedevilmouse · 18/01/2014 12:48

So, you enabled the entire situation and still feel justified in your actions. How nice of you.

TheGreatHunt · 18/01/2014 14:19

They're a bit young to be left to it for that long. Well the youngest is.

Get your DH to look after them while you lie in, don't leave your 7 year old as baby sitter.

PavlovtheCat · 18/01/2014 16:40

Ok, ok! I get the message!!!

I didn't ban tv btw. Or stop the party or activity. The children don't have free reign over tv or computers, ever. But they are allowed on them regularly, with permission, when they ask. It is the not asking that I have a problem with, and the lying.

And,some one said that I needed to post it on here is a problem. Er, not, it's a great away to formulate ideas, get some perspective from a situation that bothered me. And, as I have actually learnt some good stuff from some links etc! it was actually really good to post. Not all our posts have to be holier than thou, didn't i do my parenting wonderfully type posts, sometimes they can be, this is what I did, i fucked that a bit? Ok, let's learn from that, type posts. Cos I am a human that is learning about parenting every step as everyone else is.

The have been some lovely thought provoking posts on here though, and DH and I had a good chat about how we handle some of our situations and the notion of lying being a useful developmental process if handled better. So, thanks! Grin

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PavlovtheCat · 18/01/2014 16:41

minnie did you read the whole thread. Cos if you did hen your post doesn't really make much sense Confused

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Pagwatch · 18/01/2014 16:45
Grin

Pavlov - you can't rock up here being all human and shit. It's not on you know.

There's an aibu where a mother is upset because her 2 year old got smacked in the face by a toilet door. Apparently it was her fault and she is a drama queen 'nutjob'

You got off lightly Grin

westl · 18/01/2014 16:52

I don't think becoming furious with a 7 year old because she told a minor lie for 30 seconds is covered by 'I am a human that is learning about parenting' actually. It's not a 'oh we've all made that mistake' scenario. You need to address why it upset you so much because that's what will stop it happening again.

PavlovtheCat · 18/01/2014 16:54

pag There is a very grid reason I didn't post in aibu Grin

I only ever post in there when I know I am right, ion my perfect parent days.

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Starballbunny · 18/01/2014 16:54

since early waking DCs in this house were positively encouraged to turn on TV or mess about on their lap top and leave me in peace this seems an awful lot of fuss about nothing.

PavlovtheCat · 18/01/2014 16:55

westl I wasn't furious with her though! I was furious on here. Letting of steam if you will.

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mrssmith79 · 18/01/2014 16:56

Woah, huge overreaction there! Kids tell fibs, they get each other into trouble, they all do. Sorry OP but IMO you sound horribly controlling.

PavlovtheCat · 18/01/2014 17:00

Mrssmith* yeeees, I know it was a massive overreaction. I have been told like close to a hundred times now. Can you say something different now?

I might get my coat and sneak back from time to time to see how many more times I am told that, or if someone has trumped mental as an insult

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westl · 18/01/2014 17:03

'I wasn't furious with her though!'

That's not what your thread title says!!

You might not have shown her your anger, but you needed to rant on here because you were 'furious with dd for lying'.

Why were you so angry?

Graceparkhill · 18/01/2014 17:12

There will be times in the future when you will really need them to be honest with you - over alcohol/ drugs/studying/relationships
This kind of over reaction will make it harder for them to be honest with you in the teenage years.