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So sick of my four year old

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TeaJunky · 09/08/2013 22:54

I know this will come across as really harsh, but I am pushed to the very brink of sanity with the consistently difficult behaviour of my four year old girl.

She is a child that is never happy with any given situation. She has to whine and complain and cry over every tiny,minute thing and it is driving me absolutely insane. I try my very best to accommodate her, I have tried praising and rewards and sticker charts, I have tried everything - but she still continues to make every single day as difficult as possible.

I have an 8 month old who I rarely get to spend time with since most of the day is taken up with my four year olds constant demands. I must admit, I mainly yell and shout my way through the day now. The other day she said to dh's sister, i wish you were my mummy. That broke my heart a little bit for her but day in day out her persistent dissatisfaction is becoming unbearable. I don't think it's all due to jealousy because she does dote on her little sister and she hardly gets any time/attention anyway because of the older ones attitude Hmm

I'm actually at the point where I am arguing with DH about this and just generally very unhappy. DH seems to think I'm taking it too far, but then he's not the one dealing with her all day. I'm sat here crying because I've yelled her into bed (issues with dinner/teeth/pyjamas/duvet/leaving bedroom door open/which teddies to have in bed. And that's just bedtime.

I am exhausted, drained and just sick to death.

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ChablisLover · 09/08/2013 23:26

Didn't want to read and run but it sounds tough to me to deal with day in day out.

I felt this way and still do with my ds who is now 6.

All I can say is can dh do bedtimes
Etc to give you a break and a chance to take time out.

Has something upset her or the routine? Is it an attention seeking thing to take mums time away from the baby?

exoticfruits · 09/08/2013 23:27

I think that you need to stop trying to accommodate.
She is getting attention through poor behaviour-some children don't mind how they get it, as long as they get it.
Try to get the emotion and argument out if it.
Firstly dinner- she won't starve! Don't discuss it. Serve it, if she doesn't eat it then clear it away without comment. Do not offer alternatives. If she complains that she is hungry say, in a slightly surprised tone, 'well you will be, you didn't eat your dinner'. Do not praise if she does eat it.( It helps to put things in bowls so she can serve herself) You shop for it, cook it, serve it, clear away- the choice is hers- eat it or don't eat it.
Teeth are non negotiable- they have to be cleaned - make it positive with something afterwards as in 'when you have cleaned your teeth I will read you a story'.
Pyjamas and duvet don't matter- if she won't put them on then leave them off- cover up later. 'Just say, in a bored tone, 'I think you are a bit silly but it is up to you'.
Don't get involved in teddies- just say ' I will leave you to sort teddies'.
Be brisk with the door- ' door open or closed?'- if she changes her mind then just say 'you sort it'.
When she complains I would tell her you will listen but you want one good thing first.
Do pay her attention when she is being good- it is easy to ignore if they are getting on with things quietly. When you do have fun point out that it is all so much better if you can enjoy time without whining and complaining.

exoticfruits · 09/08/2013 23:29

It is easy to get into a downward spiral- when I found it getting like that I would go out of the room, count to ten, grit my teeth, smile and go back and say something positive.

BeesGoBuzzzzzz · 09/08/2013 23:34

Op your post is full of very unkind, negative statements about your daughter -

She is a child who is never happy
She has to whine
She makes every day as difficult as possible
Her persistent dissatisfaction

Perhaps she can feel how angry you are? Not one nice thing in that post.

Have you always felt this way or is it new? This is not good. You need to understand why you feel so angry towards a small child so that changes can be made.

Pancakeflipper · 09/08/2013 23:46

TeaJunky, my sympathies. I have a 4yr old boy who is the most contrary child who tantrums (lots). I found myself recently in a negative rut. I was anticipating his next step always in a negative light and responding negatively to him.

I am currently trying positivity and empathy following someone's advice on this site. So when my son begins a rant I am all "oh dear, poor you. I know it's sad we cannot take your entire Tom and Jerry collection to the shop...."

And I am going to re-read "how to talk so kids listen, and listen so kids talk". A sensible grounding book.

How does she behave at nursery or with others?

Ensure you get some time out. It makes a big difference to me! Even just a drink of tea in the garden for 10mins.

Twitterqueen · 09/08/2013 23:59

Exotic's advice is brilliant. Try not to be so accommodating - set rules and stick to them kindly and firmly. If DD doesn't abide by them just walk away and eventually she will understand that they are for her benefit.

Easy to say and hard to do, but try to distance yourself from the consequences of her actions. If she gets cold in the night she will learn to put her PJs on herself. Why are the teddies in the bed an issue? Why can't she decide that herself? does it matter to you whether she has one or 12 in bed? what's with the duvet? These are all things that maybe matter to her, but don't to you, so let her decide these things.

Don't argue over stuff that doesn't matter.

Please don't be too hard on yourself

exoticfruits · 10/08/2013 06:39

It is easy to get into that spiral, Bees, OP is already at the tearful stage and doesn't need to be made to feel worse!
They have got into a dreadful pattern of behaviour and it just needs to be broken- unfortunately easier said than done.
The main thing is to pick your battles. Out of the examples given,the teeth was the only one that needed fighting. OP is trying far too hard to keep her happy and subconsciously the DD knows this. She would be happier and more secure with boundaries.
Give her very simple choices of 2 thing so that she feels she has some control.
Keep the language positive , instead of saying 'if you don't put your shoes on we can't go to ...........' Say 'when you have put your shoes on we can go to .............
Don't make it your problem when it is her problem. e.g. The number of teddies is not your problem- you can even say ' that is not my problem DD, it is up to you to decide'.
If she is moaning about something don't get drawn in, keep bright and breezy. Just acknowledge it as in ' what a shame DD, I understand that you don't like x because of y, but I can't do anything about it today because......but hopefully tomorrow,( next week etc) we will be able to ......
Try holding out a carrot, without making it seem a bargaining chip, as in 'DD I am going to have to do x,y and z but when the baby has a sleep I will........with you. If she is then horrible you can stay calm and say 'I know you want to .......and I have explained we will do it later' - use the broken record approach. As long as you can keep calm and use a bored tone, as if she is being very tedious, you can even say 'goodness DD if you keep on like that I really won't want to ...... with you! How about if you ..... while you are waiting?'
Try and spend time alone with her- leave DH with the baby and take her out sometimes. Also try and get a break from her- leave DH with both and go out yourself.
Don't be too hard on yourself- it is an easy state to get into. Going off and counting to 10 and starting again helps.
I haven't read it but I imagine the book 'How to talk so that kids listen' would help.
Good luck! Tell yourself it is a phase!

TeaJunky · 10/08/2013 09:30

Thank you everyone for the fantastic advice - I was so miserable and tired last night I went straight to bed after posting.

I definitely agree that I am perhaps being too accommodating and DD knows that. I have tried the bright and breezy routine, but when she sees that, her behaviour escalates from whiny to full on tantrum mode, and I just don't have the energy to deal with that.

I don't prefer giving DH bedtime routine etc to do because he's quite soft and she draws it out even longer with him - and will double her complaints/ demands just to stall bedtime/ waste time not doing something she's supposed to be doing.

Also regarding eating, she really won't eat it if I don't sit there telling her she must eat it. She's already on the small side for her age, was born on the 9th centile and has dropped so her not eating worries me. Hmm

Bees - I don't see how your post was helpful or intended to be helpful in any way.

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TeaJunky · 10/08/2013 09:38

To answer some questions, her behaviour at nursery is excellent, teachers and report do say however that she is a quiet and shy little girl but has grown more confident and outgoing over the year. They have said that she seeks adult assistance/reassurance in starting things but then can continue fine on her own/ once she gets into the swing.

After realising this, I have tried to allow more independence in her day to day choices and since its the summer holidays, she has started to play out on the avenue, which she loves.(cul de sac, very safe, one parent or another always sat outside, couple of older girls on the street tend to keep an eye on the little ones).

Could it be she's frustrated because Of us? Are we too controlling/mollycoddling? I don't know , I don't see how we do things any differently to other parents of 4 year olds.

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kimmills222 · 10/08/2013 10:29

Many kids are like that at four. She was getting all your attention till now, it's divided now with her sibling. Many kids don't take this well. Your being angry, frustrated and fed up isn't going to help. I know it takes a lot of patience and it makes it more difficult for you with an eight month old baby. Try not to be so negative about her. I am sure she has some good points too. Think about what they are. When you need to attend to your little baby, why not say to her, 'let's do this together' or ask her, 'what do you want your sister to wear today' Let her pick. Giver her importance. 4 is a very impressionable age. Don't let your negativity seep down to her.

PopsyWind · 10/08/2013 11:37

Sounds like my 4y old DS... I agree its very hard to deal with a repeatedly crying child, even though it winds you up - getting shouty just makes them worse.

I think at first I was too soft and would give in immediately just to stop the whingeing, then I went too far the other way and got cross all the time. (nice consistent parenting!)
What I've realised though is that he genuinely can't control the tears, he's not doing it on purpose to annoy me, he is just quite a sensitive, emotional child.
What's working at the moment is firstly plenty of warnings before things need to happen, and if that doesn't work using major distraction ie not even entering into a debate and talking about something completely different esp if its silly/ funny.
Eg we would always have a meltdown about turning TV off and coming up for bath, so now I say something like 'I'm a giraffe and DD is a meerkat, what are you DS?' When he's chosen I'll say 'who would win a race up the stairs out of these animals' - it's a bit exhausting thinking things up but it seems to work!

ThisIsYourSong · 10/08/2013 11:53

It is incredibly hard and wearing. I know you have said you tried the bright and breezy approach and it made things worse but you need to persevere with it. State your limit / intention / requirement etc and ignore the rest. It does get easier after a while!!

Things will get worse before they get better. But then they WILL get better.

I agree with the spending one on one time with her, doing what she wants, child led, playing with what she wants and you following her lead. Do it every day for at least 10 minutes. It will really really help build your relationship and for your DD to get some security and trust.

ThisIsYourSong · 10/08/2013 11:58

The turtle technique can be really helpful for some children. Remember to model it out loud yourself. There are books avid DVDs about calm down time etc at the library you can get out. Have a look at emotional regulation if you want more information.

DaffodilsandSnow · 10/08/2013 12:17

I agree with Bees, perhaps not worded as nicely as Kimmills.

All the sympathetic posts just reinforce how you feel.

I don't doubt it's difficult for you but how sad for your 4 year old little girl to go through the day like this, especially bed time.

We are all guilty of having off days but when every day is like this I would be inclined to also look at myself. You are the adult and your poor daughter has no control over this.

You need to help her before your relationship is damaged beyond repair.

It's tough with a baby and a 4 year old. It sounds like things are really chaotic for her. I do feel for you but I also really feel for your little girl. Can any friends or family help you out a bit?

FuntClaps69 · 10/08/2013 13:43

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SimLondon · 10/08/2013 23:17

I don't think it's sensible to let a 4 year old play out on the street supervised by a couple of older girls.

I think you need to look into a parenting course - i don't mean that in a harsh way, it just sounds like you aren't having much fun with your daughter.

working9while5 · 10/08/2013 23:43

Sorry, I am with those who say you need to look at your attitude here. I have a three and a half year old and Lord, we have times like this. Baby voice, constant repetition, hating every SECOND of time his baby brother gets, wanting 100% attention and screaming bloody murder if it doesn't materialise exactly as he had in mind exactly when he had it in mind...

It goes with the territory, it's part of development. Does this mean you should love this behaviour, feel a warm glow when it happens? Not at all. It's tough, it's tiring, it's joyless. Above all else it is stressful.

However, your post suggests you've gone beyond resenting the behaviour to resenting your child. You are the adult. You have the brain power to behave differently and to manage your stress reactions, socialise your girl and above all ensure she feels loved unconditionally even if you hate her behaviour. I'd go so far as to say you have a duty to be working on these things.

If you need help, get it. You have the resources as an adult to do so - however blaming a four year old for you needing to shout and roar your way through the day is unreasonable. You don't need your head to be patted and to be told we all talk like this about our young kids because this will stop you from learning to manage your stress, behaviour management and attitude to your daughter and ultimately finding the path to being a better parent (which everyone has to walk, no one has the answers and we all have to look hard at our own attitudes and behaviour with our kids and not let our weaknesses go unchallenged in a way that fucks them up).

YoniBottsBumgina · 11/08/2013 00:38

OP I know how you feel. I am struggling a lot with my 4 year old as well. I am finding it an incredibly challenging age.

I went through an absolute low point and ended up scanning millions of threads on here, downloading about six different parenting books on kindle, I even started a facebook support group! (I had been meaning to start a local one anyway as I'm moving away, but still!) I also found the "Has parenting affected your mental health" thread on here amazing and brave and freeing.

It's the constant demands for attention, and not just attention but ABSOLUTE, full attention and nothing less. It's the terrible jokes which come in a constant stream and you lose the will to live with your cheerful fake laugh after two but they go on for twenty. The inability to express a single sentence in less than 73 words. The toilet humour. The obsession with things that I just cannot bring myself to care about. (I curse the people who invent children's TV shows and fads which have absolutely zero adult entertainment value.) The whining, the constantly trying to assert themselves over things that are really not that important (and I know, it's important to him but sometimes, really, I don't want you to struggle to reach the lock in the door for 5 minutes, I just want to GET IN and sit down). That point of the day when you blow up because they've done something unreasonable which is entirely reasonable for a four year old because they've been teetering on the edge of (what feels like) goady behaviour all day and this is what tipped it. And then you feel bad. The trail of mess and destruction they leave in their wake, and by the time they finally succumb to sleep you're too exhausted to deal with it.

It is tough. I am seeing an improvement in the last few days so I'm going to share what has worked for me and hopefully it helps you.

I noticed that his behaviour is best and most reliable and we get on best in situations where the boundaries are very clear and definite and he knows what to expect - this is when we are walking somewhere (especially if he is scooting) and bedtime when we read stories. The first because I have always been utterly consistent due to safety and the second because I got so stressed it made it easier to stick to "If you sit nicely and listen I will read the story, if not I'm going downstairs." When there is a clear and logical consequence, I am able to apply it consistently and calmly and this works and he is so much more settled. So, I stopped trying to be all soft and touchy feely and emotionally connected ALL the time. I offer one opportunity to rectify by pointing out that what he's doing isn't a great idea because of X and offering an alternative and if he doesn't take it pretty much straight away, or starts showing an attitude about it, then I go to plan B which is to threaten the dreaded generic punishment. I jest because this was always my horror, that I would end up relying on one, but it prevents us from getting locked into a battle which I might win by force but ultimately lose because it's a stupid example to set him. So he gets banned from TV for anything from half an hour up to potentially infinity - it's never gone further than bedtime, so far. It's not scary, it's not a huge battle to enforce, and actually he doesn't sit around whining that he can't watch TV, he moans for about 5 seconds and then finds something else to do. It breaks the tension and it's proving to make a difference, in that he's less likely to pick a battle over every little thing because I'm refusing to engage in the big battles any more.

The second thing has been to introduce a currency which prevents him from whining about things he wants constantly. Some people start giving pocket money at this age, DS gets too frustrated because he doesn't understand money at all, so we go for stars linked to behaviour. I don't give stars for every little thing because I think that is counterproductive, but sometimes I set him a challenge (like, carry this bag home for me without whining) or sometimes I award one after a particularly challenging thing for him (like having his hair washed) and sometimes he asks, if I haven't recognised something and he thinks I should. I don't always say yes, but sometimes I do, and if I don't then I explain why. He has to get 5 stars to buy a magazine, or he can save up 10 to get a DS game. It stops the whining for a magazine constantly because I say "Not this time, you have to get 2 more stars" and he understands. Sometimes he is still argumentative and "I don't care about stupid stars, I don't want one anyway!" but, well, that's his loss. It takes 1-2 weeks to gain 5 stars depending on how co-operative he is being in general. If it's sweets then one friend suggested to me to have a set "sweetie day" and only ever buy sweets on that day - helpful when they are starting to get the idea of days of the week.

DP isn't around for me at the moment, but he will be soon and I am looking forward to having his support again especially at bedtime when I typically get the most stressed out. If your DH is around then enlist his help as much as possible! Just knowing that you can step out and say "I need you to take over because I'm about to lose it" really helps.

Then the other things - slowing down and lowering your expectations. One of my friends gave me a great tip which is setting yourself up to win and having goals for the day which are really low so that it's easy for you both to achieve them and then you feel good. Remember she's only four and although she's probably really articulate and talking all the time, she doesn't even know what tomorrow is. She is still tiny really and I think it's easy for us to forget that when they are starting to look and act much older. Go back to some of your two year old techniques - pre-warning and explanation of what exactly is going to happen and your expectations of her before you do it is great. When she does try to communicate something in a way which comes across as rude or annoying, take a mental step back and count to 10. Let her finish the incredibly long winded sentence before you put your input in, let her get the whining out and then correct her in the way she could express this without whining. Try to sympathise with/acknowledge the way she is feeling even if the way she expresses it makes you feel stabby, or you feel she is being ungrateful. (How to talk is good on this too)

Today for example we were walking home from the supermarket and I had asked DS to carry ONE bag, which I'd put all the light things in, crisps, his new pyjamas and some salad leaves in a bag. I offered him a star if he could carry it home without whining. He said he didn't want a star anyway. I refused to move until he picked up the bag. He asked me to take one thing out, so I took out the salad leaves (which weighed nothing, so no problem to me). I offered to let him carry another bag instead. He agreed his bag was the best one. We barely got across the car park before he started whining that it was too heavy and his arms hurt and his legs hurt and he was really tired. I managed to take the mental step back, despite the fact my own back and arms were starting to ache from the 2 carrier bags plus full backpack, instead of snapping at him to stop whining and my bags were much heavier, I said, yes, my arms are getting tired too. Maybe we can have a rest halfway home and sit down for five minutes? So we crossed the road, I identified a point at which we could stop and he ran off, all full of renewed enthusiasm. We stopped for a break (I probably needed one too to be fair!) and I did not hear one more whine or moan from him the rest of the way home. Much better! And he felt helpful for carrying his one bag. I even told him that when he was a bit older he could carry more bags if he wanted to help some more and for once he seemed pleased instead of heinously offended!

I've also started trying to keep track of how he is handling a situation (e.g. being out) and taking him home if he's starting to get ratty rather than hanging on but getting annoyed with him. Finding acceptable activities to do at home helps too - I have found lego is a good side by side one as in he will ask me for help finding the pieces but I sort of hover and say "Have a really good look and then ask me for help if you're stuck" and I can do other stuff while he does this - similar with painting and drawing. When he tries to take over stuff I am doing with him, try to remember that what's important to them is that you are there with them. Just suck it up for 15 minutes - set a timer if you want to. There are times to teach them about co-operation and kindness when playing and there are times when it's just about being present even if you're mentally making a shopping list or something. Definitely take the pressure right off over things like sleeping and eating. If she senses that you care whether she does it or not it becomes a thing to latch on to and fight for. Stop caring. Provide the opportunity, and give her the responsibility. She won't starve, and it won't harm her to play quietly in her room until she is tired - you can have your evening without her there. I quite often say I'm going to eat my dinner now or watch a scary grown up DVD so I can't come up for a bit but I will come and check on him when I'm finished and if he feels tired to just lie in bed and wait for me - normally when I go up he's gone to sleep. If not then it just takes a few minutes of sitting on the end of his bed at that stage.

I think when your youngest gets a bit older it will get easier too, because they are so reliant on playmates at this age and if there are no other children aged 2/3+ around, then that playmate is you. That's the part I find really hard. (Playdates help.) From what I remember 8 month olds are pretty awful sleep wise too, which won't be helping!

As any other painful stage, it will pass, you just have to love them through it. The good parts: Watching them sleep when they have caused havoc all day. Watching them learn new things, amazing things. The brief moments when you reconnect and you remember what the relationship between you was like when it was constant and you see a glimpse of what it will be like when they come back to you again. I really think it's part of them asserting their own personalities and saying "Hey, I am my own person, not yours" but they still so desperately need you. You can be there for them even if you don't enjoy every minute of it. It's okay not to enjoy every minute of it!

I wish you luck and I hope that the phase passes soon and you can look back on it and realise that it was hard but you came through it intact and everything in the long run is okay. BTW, the being ultra-consistent thing is what works with DS but might not work with your DD, but if you look at the times she is most settled or most responsive with you, then you may be able to work out from that what the best strategy is.

YoniBottsBumgina · 11/08/2013 00:45

I think her playing out sounds fine. I don't go for bright and breezy - I'm not a bright and breezy person. I am in-depth emotional or short and curt, really. Stick to your actual personality, don't try to be someone you're not.

If DH is soft with her at bedtime, does it matter if it's his problem to deal with? I would honestly delegate that and then let him cope with the fall out. He will either harden up or find a different way around it. Put your DVD on so you can't hear them and relax Wink DP reckons it's good for parents to have a slightly different approach from each other. I can't relate because I came from a one-parent family, but he thinks it's helpful as long as you're not polar opposites or undermining each other, and always back one another up.

Sparklysilversequins · 11/08/2013 01:18

I think you've had some good advice here.

The only thing I can add is that my four year old dd was like this to the point where I would wake up every morning feeling anxious and miserable waiting for the first scream, whine or answer back. Sometimes I was so full to capacity of stress with dealing with her I would shut down for my own sanity, I dreaded hearing her stir in the morning. The bright and breezy approach never worked, that provoked endless screams of "SPEAK PROPERLY MUMMY!"

Now here is the good news. It passed. She's six now and still has her moments but in general I LOVE being with her. She's rarely in her room, she comes and draws, plays games in the same room as me, we chat a lot or sometimes we are quiet, we spend hours together just being. We watch movies together, we go on Girls Only outings together and now if she starts a "well that's not how best friends treat each other is it dd or Mummy if its the other way round?" Said in a hurt tone usually works. Also "would you speak to your teacher like that dd? No? Well didn't talk to your family like that then". My dd is very creative, draws and makes things all day, I sometimes think this was part of why she was so frustrated. Any chance your dd could be like this? maybe you could try channelling her a bit? You don't have to get too hands on, a massive box of paper, colouring books and endless crayons and pens is provided here and she is in it all day.

I think my dd will always have to have the last word, I have learned to only really address the BIG issues and let other things slide, there's no off switch with her so I try hard not to let things escalate.

differentnameforthis · 11/08/2013 04:05

I agree with Bees. The problem is, is that many parents get stuck into the idea that their child's behaviour is some sort of rebellion against them. It isn't! She is 4. Unable to fully control her self, and totally unable to control her environment. We all need to stop thinking that "tantrums" (ugly word) are naughty, when in fact, most of the time they are a child's only way of showing us how upset & overwhelmed they are!

Your attitude to her is all negative & self-fulfilling! She is what you are expecting her to be.

She is a child who cannot understand her emotions & who cannot tell you how she feels.

I say this as a parent to a similar child & it wasn't until I started to view her behaviour as something she couldn't always control & started to recognise where & when I helped it escalate, that I realised my own part in it. I couldn't change her overnight, but I could change the way I reacted & I have to say, she is a MUCH calmer child.

After I taught myself how to act with regards to her behaviour (always on her level, always calm, always explained exactly what I wanted from her) I taught her how to control her self (telling me when she was unhappy, asking for help rather than shouting/screaming etc)

She is much calmer now, as am I & I don't worry about any situation because I know that with a firm but gentle voice she is easier to "control" (for want of a better word)

You also need to realise that it was yours & your dh choice to bring a new baby into this world, your dd didn't choose it, so her reaction to it is going to be strong. You can't shout your daughter to bed because your ate tired when you took the choice to take on another child.

Oh & don't call her silly! No one's emotions are silly! How would you feel if your dh called you silly when you were upset etc? This is very belittling!

This is a great resource! www.ahaparenting.com/

Sunnysummer · 11/08/2013 05:22

In terms of a carrot and stick approach - in conjunction with setting strict rules (the stick part), do you think that 'love bombing' might help to repair your relationship somewhat?

I'm not an expert, but my friend had a very challenging foster DS and said it was brilliant for reassuring him of his own love and importance alongside cracking down on poor behaviours.

ExasperatedSigh · 11/08/2013 06:17

YoniBotts thank you for your post at 00.38. I am struggling a bit with my 4yo DS atm, whose sunny nature seems to be swamped in rudeness, whinging and tears, and I don't like how snappy and cross I become in dealing with him when he's like that. You have reminded me of some important stuff there, so thank you.

OP no advice from me as I am barely awake and functioning, but know you are not alone. She is still your lovely little girl and she needs you, so hang in there.

Layl77 · 11/08/2013 06:25

Try being nice to her, she's 4! You're an adult. Look at love-bombing

ThisIsYourSong · 11/08/2013 08:55

Those who are saying be nice and be the adult clearly haven't been in this situation. This is behaviour that goes on for hours, days, weeks, months and years. It affects you mentally, emotionally, your other DC, your relationships and what you do and where you go. It keeps you constantly on knife edge.

Ironically it's often caused by trying to help, trying to see their point of view and doing as much as possible to minimise it. That brings a cycle of negative attention which is incredibly hard to understand and break.

The OP has come on here for constructive help and instead she gets criticised, belittled and made to feel guilty. If it was that easy to change behaviour surely she would have done it by now?

Most people don't get taught how to parent, and there is not much out there about how to parent difficult child and where to get help from. No one tells us that some children need to be taught to manage their emotions and how to do this. Instead we're called a bad parent (and a bad person).

Anyway I've recently done a course, Incredible Years. I think it's limited as to where its run but is a brilliant course. It's play based, very positive and would be perfect for the OP. definitely have a look and see if its run in your area.