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fish oil trial in the paper today

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loppy · 08/12/2005 10:31

there is an article in the Daily Mail today which talks about some research where they gave eye q to toddlers. their behaviour improved from very poor to very good in 5 months. their vocabulary and language also improved and concentration.

it also talks about loads of other trials with eye q as well.

have a look at it if you can. I haven't heard of any other fish oils that have done trials, has anyone else?

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mummysandy · 14/12/2005 10:37

Just wondered... how do you find out about levels of purity & impurity in the different brands? I saw the FSA report on toxins and eskimo3 and eyeq both had exactly the same results (trace) so what's the difference?

Also, looked at eskimo3 yesterday and it says it's one of the best researched omega 3 supplements but I can't find any evidence.

Enideepmidwinter · 14/12/2005 10:58

I hate fish oils

I think it is like trying to give your children performance-enhancing drugs.

Why do people with absolutely NT children give them?

saadia · 14/12/2005 11:06

The Evening Standard had a feature on fish oils and dh is keen to give these to ds, but I'm not sure. Does anyone know of any research which looks into their down side? They just sound too good to be true.

Enideepmidwinter · 14/12/2005 11:08

They are too good to be true. Possibly some children have a nutritional defiency which can be corrected with this type of oil. But they are not a magic bullet.

Why do you WANT to give them? To make your child better/brighter/more compliant?

chipmonksRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 14/12/2005 11:32

Enid, ds1 all of a sudden became a very fussy eater at 18mths and this lasted till he was 3. Everything I put in front of him he refused and I'd say his diet had to be lacking as a result. He gradually started growing out of this from about 3 onwards but its only now that he's 9 that he's really starting to eat fish, oily or not! And he doesn't pay attention in school! He gets away with it to a certain extent because he's bright but sometimes when doing his homework with him it becomes apparent that he might as well have been out in the park all day for all he's learnt! I give him fish oils in the hope that it might help because I think that the lack of oily fish may have had something to do with it in the first place. Problem is I usually forget to give it to him so haven't really noticed a huge difference.

heavenis · 14/12/2005 12:47

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santasnymph · 14/12/2005 14:34

I think it is unfair to hate giving a child fish oils. My life would not be the same without it. its not about making a child more compliant but about giving them nutrients that are important and deficient in western diets. I don't need to read about the trial work to know that J has changed. When you have a child with behaviour problems you become more open to new remedies. On the other hand I would avoid drugs such as ritalin at all costs!

homemama · 14/12/2005 14:49

Mummysandy, I'm not sure.
She was a dietician and seemed to know what she was talking about.

Enideepmidwinter · 14/12/2005 15:50

I think its all rubbish

does Tanya Byron ever give fish oils to change kids behaviour? What happens when you run out of fish oils? They revert back to bad inattentive behaviour? Then they are dependent on them. How is that a good thing in any shape or form?

saadia · 14/12/2005 16:15

I do see your point Enid, which is why I'm resistant to fish oils. So (being very thick now), are you saying that if they are not given continuously, then the "positive benefits" wear off?

chipmonksRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 14/12/2005 16:50

Who's Tanya Byron?

chipmonksRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 14/12/2005 16:54

Found her! Don't have BBC3! They have been shown to improve reading ability though, haven't they?

mummysandy · 14/12/2005 17:16

But what does Tanya Byron do on BBC3... I'm now intrigued!!!

thecattleareALOHing · 14/12/2005 17:20

Well, that's a bit like saying that if you don't eat any vitamin C, you get scurvy so you must have become dependent on vitamin C. Intelligent human beings evolved near water and our brains appear to need the special kind of nutrients that are heavily concentrated in fish, probably as a result of our evolution. When we don't eat enough of those nutrients we have highter rates of mental problems, from behavioural problems in children to depression (inc pnd) in adults as well as heart disease.

thecattleareALOHing · 14/12/2005 17:23

I take EFAs, partly for me, and partly for dd (via my breastmilk. Ds gets them too. We are all horribly deficient in them unless we eat quite a lot of fish.

Screwyslittlechristmascrackers · 14/12/2005 17:24

I give both ds halib orange omega 3's and can tell the difference and also have been taking them myself and my sex drive returned when I forget to take them myself for a while I notice my sex drive drops off so would definately reccommend not just for kids

thecattleareALOHing · 14/12/2005 17:31

DHA AND INFANT DEVELOPMENT

Susan Carlson, Ph.D.

Midwest Dairy Council Professor of Nutrition

Departments of Dietetics and Nutrition and Pediatrics

University of Kansas Medical Center

[email protected]

Key Points

Fish (some sources) have the highest concentration of DHA found in foods

DHA is ?conditionally essential? nutrient for the developing infant (RCTs)

DHA may be equally or more important for the developing fetus (1 RCT/several observational studies/animal models)

Key Points (cont.)

Based on human milk DHA, US women?s DHA intake is among the lowest in the world

The best way to increase DHA intake to the fetus and breast fed infant is to increase DHA intake of their mothers

The good news is that ?clean? sources with DHA (fish oil, algal oil, high-DHA eggs) are marketed for use with women and infants

Key Points (cont.)

The bad news is that evidence point to optimal intakes being much higher than current US consumption making it important to retain viable food (fish) as well as supplements as options for women and children to consume this nutrient

Some Effects of Lower Brain DHA from Animal Models

lower visual acuity

changes in attention that suggest slower brain maturation

higher impulsivity and reactivity

increased stereotyped behavior

alterations in brain dopamine and serotonin

Randomized Trials of
DHA and Infant Development

Pre-term Infants

Uauy et al.

Carlson et al. (3)

Fink et al.

O?Connor et al.

Clandinin et al.

Term Infants

Makrides et al. (2)

Carlson et al. (2+)

Auestad et al.

Willatts et al.

Agostoni et al.

Clausen et al.

Birch et al. (4)

Lucas et al. (2)

Jorgensen et al.

Hadders-Algra

Positive Effects in Infants Supplemented with DHA

Higher visual acuity especially with higher doses and in infants born preterm

Higher Bayley MDI and Bayley PDI in some studies ? global tests

Higher problem solving ability

More mature attention in preterm infants

Positive Effects In Children Supplemented with DHA as Infants

Higher MFFT scores and speed at 6 yrs

Higher Bayley PDI at 30 months of age and longer sustained attention at 5 yrs*

Higher IQ at 4 yrs of age*

Lower Diastolic and Mean BP at 6 yrs

*Mother took DHA during pregnancy and/or lactation

Where and When Do Infants
Obtain DHA?

Convert From

Precursor

Highly Variable

Estimated 0.2-0.4% conversion

-Linolenic Acid

DHA

Preformed

From Human Milk

Or DHA-

Supplemented

Infant Formula

Preformed

In Utero

Human Milk DHA* is Highly Variable

Diet/Location %DHA

Sudan 0.07

US Women 0.12

Pastoral China 0.14

Netherlands 0.19

Germany 0.23

Australia 0.26

France 0.32

Spain 0.34

Nigeria 0.34

Israel 0.37

Norway 0.45

Rural China 0.68

Urban China 0.82

Japan 1.00

Marine China 2.78

*Reflects intake of DHA

Postnatal Diet With DHA Positively Influences Brain Cortex DHA Level

Makrides M, et al. Am J Clin Nutr. 1994;60:189-194 (mean milk DHA is 0.26% DHA in Australia).

Brain Cortex DHA, wt%

Age at Death, wk

Evidence that Prenatal DHA Exposure Is Positively Associated with Infant/Child Development

Helland trial ? Norway-Higher 4-yr IQ. Milk DHA was increased from 0.45 to 1.4%.

AVON trial ? higher maternal fish intake and higher stereoacuity at 3.5 yr.

Univ. of Conn. study showing more mature sleep behavior in newborns whose mother?s DHA was above median

Studies from Kansas City* and Dundee showing more mature attention in infants/toddlers and lower distractibility with maternal DHA above median

*Colombo et al., Child Devel. 2004

Latency to turn to television distracter at 18 mo (p

thecattleareALOHing · 14/12/2005 17:32

sorry! that was longer than I intended!

misdee · 14/12/2005 17:33

i have just ordered a free sample of the new eye-q emoulsion for dd2. she refuses the oil now however i disguise it. grrr.

thecattleareALOHing · 14/12/2005 17:35

Currently letting ds have a bit of chocolate nesquik powder off the spoon if he has his eskimo oil. He actively liked smartfish.

Enideepmidwinter · 14/12/2005 17:37

its nothing like vitamin c preventing scurvy

that is a physical illness

most people give fish oils for the reason cited by that study: "higher prenatal DHA exposure enhances early development"

enhances being the emotive word here

why would you want to enhance your kids development?

misdee · 14/12/2005 17:38

cant reason like that with dd2, the spoon goesnt flying then i am mopping up oils. hope the emulsyfying stuff works.

wonder if i can attempt tonights with choclate milkshake...........

walkinginawinterBundleland · 14/12/2005 17:39

did you see the review of all the fish oil supplements in yesterday's standard? lots of different % of active ingredients, doesn't necessarily depend on how much you pay either.

thecattleareALOHing · 14/12/2005 17:53

But it IS like vitamin C. Sufficient vitamin C 'enhances' your healing response. Sufficient iron 'enhances' energy. The point is the vast majority of us are deficient in EPA and DHA, which has implications for infant development. Of course I want my child not to suffer from the results of deficiencies in absolutely vital nutrients. We NEED EFAs. They are as important to our health as vitamin C and iron, fulfilling many basic functions in the human body. But most of us don't get enough, which obviously affects us. Just as not getting enough vitamin C would eventually cause scurvy - and cause many other less dramatic problems on the way. Why would I want to make sure my diet was the best diet to build my baby's brain? Um, that's not really very difficult to answer, is it?

thecattleareALOHing · 14/12/2005 17:53

But it IS like vitamin C. Sufficient vitamin C 'enhances' your healing response. Sufficient iron 'enhances' energy. The point is the vast majority of us are deficient in EPA and DHA, which has implications for infant development. Of course I want my child not to suffer from the results of deficiencies in absolutely vital nutrients. We NEED EFAs. They are as important to our health as vitamin C and iron, fulfilling many basic functions in the human body. But most of us don't get enough, which obviously affects us. Just as not getting enough vitamin C would eventually cause scurvy - and cause many other less dramatic problems on the way. Why would I want to make sure my diet was the best diet to build my baby's brain? Um, that's not really very difficult to answer, is it?