Once I have finished bleaching the dds room and then myself, how do I go about punishing them/making them understand?

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I kept smelling a funny smell in their room, so since I had a full day today to do cleaning I decided to investigate where it was coming from. I wish I hadn't now.

DD2 did this when she was 6. She couldn't be bothered going to the loo during the night. We lived in a house with a bathroom on the ground floor. Like you I investigated a funy smell and found a pink bucket full of stale urine.

She's 14 now and it's a wonderful story to tell when we want to embarrass her

Think it's probably quite normal tbh. Caught my boys peeing in a vase of dried flowers once and bizarrely making their way up the stairs backwards to see how far they could get up and still pee in the toilet. I'd just say that you are very disappointed and if it happens again they will lose a toy or something.

silly post from Zazen. At three and six they are old enough to play out of sight, and wee out of sight. Mine certainly went to the loo independently at those ages. I feel your pain - hideous. But agree, stern talking to about how it is not allowed to wee or poo anywhere in the house except the toilet or you will be very, very cross, then leave it.

Ew!

When I was a child I had a very strict stepdad who wouldn't let me get up to go to the loo at night, as it disturbed his precious sleep. So I went through a phase of weeing in the corner of my bedroom, on the carpet. I must have been 7 or 8.

I'm amazed I never got found out, but it makes me quite sad to think of it now. If my mum knew what I was forced to do she'd be really upset.

You haven't frightened them in some way that they mustn't go to the loo at night, or make a mess in the bathroom etc? Even without meaning to?

Yuck! At least it was in a bin and not on the carpet or in the bed...
It sounds to me that they might have done it a few nights ago and forgotten about it but I agree with algebra maybe just make sure that there isn't anything stopping using the loo.

Zazen - maybe I could come round and witness your amazing perfect parenting where you know 100% of the time what your children are up to... I think the op feels bad enough about this without being beaten up more by you.

My dc's have played the wee poo game (as they call it). Namely weeing and pooing in any container they can find in the bathroom other than the toilet.

These things are thought up at 5 in the morning. My dc's are also 6 and 3. I can easily see how it could happen.

Lay down the law about how wee and poo has to only ever be in the toilet and remove any containers!!! Bless them.

zazen

Also, not related but showing the unpredicatbility of dc's. ds has just smashed a bottle in the park to see what it was like!! Rather than call him and idiotic moron, I gave a stern talking to about why we don't do that.
I sometimes think unless you list the things children can or can't do then they do them. Smashing bottles has just been added to my list of no's.

Was rather embarrassed in the park though was full of school mums, each claiming their dc had nothing to do with it. .

Children, eh?
The gift that keeps on giving.

thisisyeaterday: "i allow my 5.5 yr old and 3 year old to play upstiars on their own.
it doesn't take long to piss in a bucket."

For sure one piss - but one piss does not a half full bucket of piss and shit make.

And no, I don't let children wander all over my house (5 floors over basement) without keeping track of where they are and what they are up to. Parenting has a lot to do with elf and safety innit? I think there is a balance, and the OP isn't doing her job TBH.

"oh get over yourself zazen.
i hope your children (that's if you actually have any) never do anything that you don't see."

I don't really know what you mean amidaiwish... why would I post on a parenting forum if I wasn't a mum? Are you saying I'm a troll because you don't agree with me?

I was answering the OP who said that there had been a funny smell, but they she hadn't investigated it, until she found a half full slop bucket (piss and shit) in her 3 and 6 year olds room.
I think it's neglectful, and that the OP has no right to punish her children as she said in her thread title.

In fact I think the OP is at fault for not looking after her children properly, and this disgusting slop bucket is evidence of this.
"Agree, take photos and threaten them with them in later life. Even if you never use 'em, it'll be a bargaining chip"

I would say the bargaining chip is on the other hand actually Dirtymartini!

Three and six are very young to leave to their own devices. If the OP isn't able to look after her own children maybe she needs to call in some help?

yes well presumably they did it over a matter of days zazen, rather than all in one go

and even if you know WHERE your child is in your house it doesn't mean you know exactly what they are doing

you're being ridiculous

maybe they each did a wee/poo after she put them to bed at nighjt

presumably you sit in your childrens' rooms each night until they fall asleep yeah? to make sure they aren't doing anything you dont' see

OMG! Zazen! I can't begin to try to tell you how unbelievably out of order (not to mention smug, patronising, rude, misguided...) you are being!

You are being ridiculous and unkind, and unreasonable.

Your children clearly don't have anything like a fair amount of freedom - poor thigns.

The op doesn't say how big the bucket/bin is. Personally I'm imagining something fairly small - the things that look like real dustbins and sometimes have clips to keep the lid on?

Zazen - unless you follow your children around the whole time you have no idea what they are doing. You only think you know - and that's all most of us can say. Unless you actually are following them.......

i found DD had been weeing on the floor deliberately at nap times. there is now a potty in the room....

and DS has a habit of being sick every morning (i think he is over-excited about getting up, and anticipates his breakfast...)

there was smell - now there isn't

we washed everything to get rid of the smell, all their clothes, soft toys, (one of which i think had been weed on. Poor Tombliboo Un.) and all Ds bedding (sicky smell) and took up the carpet tiles too.

they think its funny!

If it is like the Ikea little red or white tin buckets, then it wouldn't take more than a couple of, ahem, motions to get it fairly full. A wee and poo from a toddler can fill a potty, no?
As for having a 'rough idea where they are in the house' - the OP knew pretty much precisely where they were, but was unable to see through floors and walls to see exactly WHAT they are (almost silently) doing.
Would be worth finding out why they are doing it. If you say there is no punishment they are more likely to tell you. It probably just seemed like a good idea at the time.

I think if you don't let a three and six year old play by themselves in their own home without you, then you are wildly over-protective, actually.

Zazen quite frankly i do not believe for one minute that you know exactly what your children are doing at any given minute in your house. OP does not deserve your criticism. Are your children perfect? Have they never done anything naughty at all? Perhaps you are a stepford wife with robotic children hmmmm

OP - when my sisters were little (aged 3 twins) my mother found them playing with stciks and their own poo in a potty. Wouldn't worry its normal, mildly amusing but I would have a stern chat with them (if you can keep a straight face)

Yuck! I think it is normal too though..my DD is 4.6 and she likes to play with her tea set, filling the cups and teapot with water, pouring and drinking it. I was cleaning her room one day and noticed she had left water in the cups. As i poured it away into the sink i noticed that the "water" was looking rather yellow...and smelt funny [boak]

DD had been weeing in the cups!!!! And i hope to god she didn't drink it!!! She said no, but i think i shocked her with my reaction so she wouldn't tell me if she had drank it!! I didn't shout at her i was more like "why on earth would you do that!" She said she emptied it out sometimes and used water but the cups wouldn't have been washed properly would they...eeek.

I wouldn't tell them off, just explain that the toilet is the place for that!!! And about bugs etc. Good luck!

When DS was 7, I was kissing him good night in his bed when I noticed he had hung one of those tin buckets you get easter eggs in on the curtain pole right next to his head.

It was brim full with piss and had obviously been there a while as it had cloudy, mouldy bits floating in it!

He couldn't be bothered to get down from his bunk bed at night to go to the loo (next door to his bedroom). I did check he wasn't scared but nope, just lazy.

While I read him the riot act, DH, who'd been doing boys book and bed for the last week and hadn't noticed the bucket, came in to see what was up.

I explain in a scandalised voice and he snorts with laughter and says, 'Genius!'

Two days later, I'm on the computer when DS rushes past me and stands just inside the house, pissing voluminously out the open glass doors into the garden.

I've now told the lot of them in no uncertain terms that pissing anywhere except the loo and the compost heap will be treated with extreme prejudice.

DS is now 9 and, apart from weeing patterns in last winter's snow (which I'd do too if I had a penis TBH) We've had no further probs.

simply cannot believe taht a child's normal quirky curiosity/experimentation is now being called neglect.

zazen get down off your bloody high horse.

Ooops, almost had something sensible to say about the OP, but realised it's turned into a slagging match. Isn't Mumsnet great for venting anger on complete strangers?

zazen

1. any children's bins i have come across are very small, a poo and a couple of wees would half fill it.

2. lots of non-parents use this froum

3. i will put money on the fact that you do not know what you children are doing at every single moment of the day

4. if you do, then your poor bloody children, let them breathe for god's sake.

5. OP doesn't know when this happened. it could be a case of one of teh dcs suddenly being frightened to come out of her room at night and using teh bin instead. teh dark can make your own home very scary, especially if you are 6/3.

6)you're just plain nasty.