Saoirse?

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Follow on from my Isla thread, another name I have in mind is Saoirse.

Sister would still be Hazel, and there’s very little chance of the name being mispronounced

a country without a language is a country without a name".

No, without a soul.

a country without a language is a country without a name
Without a soul @Mooshamoo

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@Mooshamoo

You are correct about how Irish has been taught.

There are challenges there. It is not however purely about it being mandatory.

There is a long societal & historical basis for the challenges of preserving & enhancing Irish. Too long to go into.

Lots of interesting discussion on the airwaves in the last two days about plans to develop Irish, including looking to the Welsh model - worth listening back to.

Yes I absolutely believe it's a complete waste of time. And it was the way it was so extremely heavily focused on in primary school.

I don't believe I got an education at all.

Irish wasn't one of say seven subjects focused on equally, in my primary school.

We studied Irish for most of the day. This was not a gaelschoil. It was a normal primary school.

I mainly learned about Irish language and Catholic religion in my primary school. In the 90s. That is not an education.

I remember sitting there for hours learning Catholic prayers and then more hours Irish verbs..that is not a good education at all.

There was huge emphasis on Irish over other subjects.

Mooshamoo your experience is unusual. The time allowed for Irish in primary schools has been 3 1/2 hours a week for ages.
It is fascinating language - like “ainm” which means name is similar to “anam” which means soul.
Like “Saoirse” has an opposite word “daoirse” ie freedom/slavery.
Also “sorcha/dorcha”, “sonas/donas”.

My experience is not unusual.

They probably have improved things now.

But in the 1990's, primary schools were not great in ireland.

I just watched Maura Higgins do a video on Instagram. She was on love island. She is Irish . She did a video on Instagram saying she was traumatised by the primary school she went to in Ireland.

She said it was not a gaelschoil. But if she spoke or answered in English at all, she would be screamed at. She would be screamed at to answer in Irish by the master.

I didn't get an education at all. I'll never forget the hours learning Catholic prayers and Irish verbs as a young child. What a waste

I mainly learned about Irish language and Catholic religion in my primary school. In the 90s. That is not an education.

Indeed. Knowing more than a bit about this area, I would be fascinated to know where you went to school that departed so significantly from the curriculum. 🤔

I remember sitting there for hours learning Catholic prayers and then more hours Irish verbs..that is not a good education at all.

Sure you did.

Maura Higgins! You are hilarious @Mooshamoo

(I now recall you - and your agenda - from other threads).

You & Maura should write a book.

would be screamed at to answer in Irish by the master.

Was it 1930s invented Ireland, I wonder? Not a chance what you described happened either you or Maura Higgins in the 90s.

Unbelievable. I don't even know how to argue with someone so immature and arrogant as you, who thinks they know what went on in every single school in Ireland in the 90s.

Can you try for once in your life to say something more mature then

"That didn't happen" to other people's experiences. It is so so so immature

Here is Maura Higgins talking about her hellhole primary school in longford Ireland.

https://evoke.ie/2022/03/13/entertainment/maura-higgins-primary-school

I also went to primary school in rural Midlands Ireland in 1990s. The same as her

You're very very naive if you you don't think that was going on in primary schools in Ireland in the 90s. I don't think I would ever be so arrogant as to say "that never happened in any school in the 90s".

How could you know? Were you sitting in every school?

Some say -
Seer-shah
Sore-shah
Surr-shah

Others won’t know how to spell or say it.

@Mooshamoo

I am going to say that's children learning verbs and saying prayers for hours, in Irish primary schools in the 90s, didn't happen.

Because it didn't. A school doing that would be reported, parents would have complained, schools are regularly inspected - a school so substantially failing to meet the curriculum in that way would be followed up.

You may recollect it so - but memories are not reliable.

Seriously? Did you read it? She had no knowledge of English by secondary school? 🙄

It did happen.

I remember our rural school being inspected very, very rarely. Certainly no one came around every month. An inspector seemed to come about once or twice a year, and even then he wouldn't go into every class. I remember in my rural school we never had any student teachers coming or going.

I was there for six years. We had four teachers for the whole school. The same four female teachers were there the entire time I was in that school.

There were no student teachers coming and going , to be inspected.

Inspectors seemed to come very very rarely. A lot of village schools were left to be by themselves.

Obviously I can only speak for my own experiences but that doesn't really tally at all with my education in a convent school in the 90s.

I didn't enjoy learning Irish at the time and it was one of my lower marks but with the benefit of hindsight I'm glad I learned it from a cultural standpoint. Just like Shakespeare.

Oh Moo it's getting tiresome.

Yes, annual inspections are all there would be (of course someone didn't come once a month!).

Student teachers would be unlikely in the midlands as it's too far away from their teacher training college.

Inspections would absolutely have shown up if the curriculum wasn't followed. Yes, you went to a small teacher school which you didn't like - I get that. It still doesn't mean that all you learnt was Irish & prayers.

No she didn't mean it like that. She could speak English. She grew up speaking English. Her parents speak English.

I think she meant she had little knowledge of the terms of English language structure, like what are verbs in English.

As her primary teacher didn't teach her those terms. Like what verbs and nouns are in English. As he focused so heavily on the Irish language in primary

I didn't say it's all I learnt. I said there was way too much of a focus on Irish and Catholic religion. Our teacher in fifth and sixth class was particularly interested in Irish and Catholic religion, so she focused primarily on those two subjects.

Do you think one annual inspection is enough to see what's happening in a school? It should be way more.

I was teaching summer school there in the UK last summer, and I was inspected twice in one month. And all the other teachers were aswell.

Anyway ya let's move on. I'm also bored of talking about primary schools

Yes of course Earrings. I’m fighting my phone so my posts aren’t as clear as I would like.
but interesting: In Old Irish the spelling “Saíre” or “Saeire” was used to mean freedom. So much like Serra, not seersha.