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Saoirse?

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NameNameNameNames · 17/09/2023 12:35

Follow on from my Isla thread, another name I have in mind is Saoirse.

Sister would still be Hazel, and there’s very little chance of the name being mispronounced

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StillWantingADog · 22/09/2023 18:56

I really like how it it said however have zero confidence that I would be able to say it correctly

Sparklecats · 22/09/2023 18:59

If I didn’t know how it was pronounced I would say Say-or-si which is argubly as bad as sore arse.

Mooshamoo · 22/09/2023 19:02

You can definitely get exemptions from learning Irish in schools in Ireland.

I don't think it should be mandatory. And it's not just that it's mandatory. I think way too big a focus is placed on Irish in primary schools. A lot of the day focuses on Irish.

When as adults , we will never use the language ever. (unless we become a primary teacher ourselves)

SunnyFog · 22/09/2023 19:16

In a thread about Saoirse you’re treating Ireland as “not Northern Ireland”?
Beginning to think that Daoirse would make a lovely name.

Sparklecats · 22/09/2023 20:01

SunnyFog · 22/09/2023 19:16

In a thread about Saoirse you’re treating Ireland as “not Northern Ireland”?
Beginning to think that Daoirse would make a lovely name.

Quite - I have dual citizenship I don’t think my Irish experiences north and south are any less valid than anyone else’s.

harrietm87 · 22/09/2023 20:05

Sparklecats · 22/09/2023 20:01

Quite - I have dual citizenship I don’t think my Irish experiences north and south are any less valid than anyone else’s.

Well yes of course people from Northern Ireland are Irish (if they want to be), but there is a difference, I think, between being called Saoirse and being from NI and being a Saoirse from ROI.

It’s been discussed and explained at length on the thread already. And since the OP’s child will be from ROI the NI-specific stuff really isn’t relevant.

Which is not to say that it doesn’t exist or that anyone is more Irish than anyone else 🤯

Sparklecats · 22/09/2023 20:14

harrietm87 · 22/09/2023 20:05

Well yes of course people from Northern Ireland are Irish (if they want to be), but there is a difference, I think, between being called Saoirse and being from NI and being a Saoirse from ROI.

It’s been discussed and explained at length on the thread already. And since the OP’s child will be from ROI the NI-specific stuff really isn’t relevant.

Which is not to say that it doesn’t exist or that anyone is more Irish than anyone else 🤯

@harrietm87

Yes anyone who has mentioned the issues, including myself, has very clearly stated said issues would be in NI counties and border counties.

But it would be important for anyone considering the name Saoirse to know that in a 1/3 of the island she could be perceived in a particular way (postive or negative), ostracised to certain groups or have her head kicked in.

JaneJeffer · 22/09/2023 20:15

Which is not to say that it doesn’t exist or that anyone is more Irish than anyone else
Except for me 😜

Sparklecats · 22/09/2023 20:24

JaneJeffer · 22/09/2023 20:15

Which is not to say that it doesn’t exist or that anyone is more Irish than anyone else
Except for me 😜

Yes @JaneJeffer you are clearly the best
🏆☘️

JaneJeffer · 22/09/2023 20:25

According to you @Sparklecats

Mooshamoo · 22/09/2023 20:26

What region of Ireland are you in janejeffer. I'm in Midlands at the mo

Sparklecats · 22/09/2023 20:26

JaneJeffer · 22/09/2023 20:25

According to you @Sparklecats

@JaneJeffer

Being of dual citizenship I have the authority over all! 😂😂

Am also clearly being facetious.

JaneJeffer · 22/09/2023 20:29

Mooshamoo · 22/09/2023 20:26

What region of Ireland are you in janejeffer. I'm in Midlands at the mo

The best part

hickone · 22/09/2023 20:53

I have a Saoirse and we live in england. Once you tell people how to say it they are fine with it

Sparklecats · 22/09/2023 22:29

Raghaidh mé síos i measc na ndaoine
De shiúl mo chos
Is raghaidh mé. síos anocht.

Raghaidh mé síos ag lorg daoirse
Ón mbinibshaoirse
Tá ag liú anseo:
Is ceanglód an chonairt smaointe
Tá ag, drannadh im thimpeall
San uaigneas:
Is loirgeod an teampall rialta
Bhionn lán de dhaoine
Ag am fé leith:
Is loirgeod comhluadar daoine
Nár chleacht riamh saoirse,
Ná uaigneas:
Is éistfead leis na scillingsmaointe,
A malartaítear
Mar airgead:
Is bhféarfad gean mo chroí do dhaoine
Nár samhlaidh riamh leo
Ach macsmaointe.
Ó fanfad libh de ló is d’oiche,
Is beidh mé íseal,
Is beidh mé dílis,
D’bhur snabsmaointe.
Mar do chuala iad ag fás im intinn,
Ag fás gan chuimse,
Gan mheasarthacht.
Is do thugas gean mo chroí go fíochmhar
Don rud tá srianta,
Don gach macrud:
Don smacht, don reacht, don teampall daoineach,
Don bhfocal bocht coitianta
Don am fé leith:
Don ab, don chlog, don seirbhiseach
Don chomparáid fhaitíosach,
Don bheaguchtach:
Don luch, don tomhas, don dreancaid bhideach,
Don chaibidil, don líne
Don aibítir:
Don mhórgacht imeachta is tíochta,
Don chearrbhachas istoíche,
Don bheannachtain:
Don bhfeirmeoir ag tomhas na gaoithe
Sa bhfómhar is é ag cuirnhneamh
Ar pháirc eornan:
Don chomhthuiscint, don chomh-sheanchuimhne,
Do chomhiompar comhdhaoine,
Don chomh-mhacrud
Is bheirim fuath anois is choíche
Do imeachtaí na saoirse,
Don neamhspleáchas.
Is atuirseach an intinn
A thit in iomar doimhin na saoirse,
Ní mhaireann cnoc dar chruthaigh Dia ann,
Ach cnoic theibi, sainchnoic shamhlaíochta.
Is bíonn gach cnoc díobh lán de mhianta
Ag dreapadóireacht gan chomhlíonadh,
Nil teora leis an saoirse
Ná le cnoca na samhlaíochta,
Ná níl teora leis na mianta,
Ná faoiseamh
Le fail.

Sparklecats · 22/09/2023 22:30

I will go down among the people
By walking my foot
I will go. down tonight.

I went down looking for slavery
From freedom
It's lying here:

The contract is a bond of ideas
There is, droning butter around
In solitude:

The temple is regular
It was full of people
At a given time:

It's a group of people
Never practiced freedom,
Don't be alone:
Let's listen to the shilling thoughts,
Which is exchanged
As money:

My heart's love is for people
Never dreamed of them
But thoughts.

O stay with you day and night,
I will be low,
and I will be faithful,
Your brainstorming.

As they heard growing in mind,
Growing endlessly,
Without moderation.

You gave my heart's affection fiercely
Because there are restrictions,
For each macro:

To the rule, to the law, to the human temple,
For the common poor word
For each time:

For the abbot, for the bell, for the servant
For the dreaded comparison,
For the minor:

To the mouse, to the measure, to the little flea,
For the chapter, for the line
For the alphabet:

For the grandest departure,
For gambling at night,
For the blessing:

For the farmer measuring the wind
In the autumn it is at a meeting
On a barley field:

For mutual understanding, for mutual old memory,
For fellow human beings,
For the common good

I will hate now and forever
For freedom events,
For independence.

The mind is tired
Who fell in the deep ridge of freedom,
A hill that God created does not last,
But short hills, special hills of imagination.
Each hill is full of wishes
Climbing unfulfilled,
There is no limit to freedom
Nor by the hills of imagination,
There is no limit to the wishes,
Don't be relieved
Available.

Sparklecats · 22/09/2023 22:31

If anyone has a better translation than that please post, that’s the best I could do with google translate!!

ColleenDonaghy · 22/09/2023 22:59

@Sparklecats in general I agree with you about the many different forms of Irishness, and with increased immigration in recent years that breadth is only increasing which is a great thing.

But I've been on here for many many years, and have noticed a few posters over the years that like to make very definite statements about Ireland, Irish people and Irish culture that have zero grounding in reality. I remember one thread years ago where one poster insisted at length that there were no wealthy people in Ireland. So those of us who have been here a long time can tend to be on alert for this behaviour.

Sparklecats · 22/09/2023 23:41

@ColleenDonaghy isn’t it awful to have to be defensive and that people would come on spouting nonsense like that.

I lived in NI as a child/young teen, ROI as an older teen/young adult. Then NI on and off. We are still back and forth frequently and have family polarised in terms of background.

Saoirse is a beautiful name, but we decided we wouldn’t go for it because of the connotations that could pose risk of our child being treated negativity or being pigeonholed.

I think it was a fair enough point to make that if you want your child to be free to roam to take up job opportunities or socialise everywhere across Ireland that it’s something to be aware of.

Mooshamoo · 22/09/2023 23:41

I was just thinking , while on the topic of Irish girl names. How come some Irish girl names are spelled so differently in Ireland.

Like with siobhan there is only siobhan

However take the name Orla.

I know an Orla, I and I know an Orlaith.

Or Riona.

I know a Riona and I know a rioghnagh. I wonder how the variations came into being.

Mooshamoo · 22/09/2023 23:45

And there is maebh and maedhbh

Sparklecats · 22/09/2023 23:50

Is it not because they were anglicised to some extent? (I don’t know) Or just like with other names there are variations?

others I can think of

Una, Oona, Oonagh
Owen, Eoghan, Eoin
Cliona, Cliodhna

Mooshamoo · 23/09/2023 00:03

I knew in Irish language that 'bh' is v

But the name maedhbh seems particularly unusual to me. It's a mouthful

So does "dhbh" = V aswel

Sparklecats · 23/09/2023 00:04

@Mooshamoo not that wiki is always reliable but here is a list of Irish names, some alternatives and anglicisations/equivalents.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish-language_given_names

The history buffs can fill you in on the whys and wherefores.

Did happen to catch via this that Saoirse is not a traditional Irish name taken on by republicanism for the newsletter and so forth… but only came into use around the Irish revolution

“The name Saoirse means 'freedom' or 'liberty' and it was first recorded as being used in the 1920s Irish revolution as a statement of freedom. It has been known as a given name ever since!”

So it’s only been in use for 100 yrs and is directly tied to Irelands recent history which I did not know at all.

List of Irish-language given names - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish-language_given_names