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Lilibet Diana — what do we think?

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BabyBabyOh · 06/06/2021 17:16

Harry and Megan have announced the birth of their little girl. Thoughts on the name?

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MargaretFraggle · 11/06/2021 19:18

Fair enough. If they asked and got permission from a delighted Queen, then that's not insensitive. If they didn't ask TQ but told her in an excited post-birth zoom call and she couldn't exactly refuse, this could (in my view) be viewed as insensitive.

It's their call either way what they call their baby, of course!

ExitChasedByABee · 11/06/2021 21:29

Meghan is the Duchess of Sussex. What was she supposed to use? If she used Meghan Markle, it would be seen as a royal snub, if she used Meghan Mountbatten-Windsor, she’d still be accused that she’s using her royal connections just as she’s been accused of such for her using her title.

As for Harry, the grandson, choosing to use Lilibet, how do we know QE2, his grandmother, is against it? I haven’t watched the Oprah interview nor have I heard the podcasts people were mentioning, but really? Did he actually say that his family are toxic or that they’re racist? It’s like when people were accusing of trying to censor his mother. All I see is a dysfunctional family who have a public role and the whole world seems to know more about their intentions than they themselves seem to be saying. With the exception for clear cut evidence, for instance with Sarah, Andrew and Sophie, I don’t see how people can extrapolate such wild assertions.

MargaretFraggle · 11/06/2021 22:05

It's not really a wild assertion to think Harry has issues with his family (which he has openly spoken about), or that there has been consternation in the RF about the name choice, when a palace source has told the BBC this. Perhaps Liz herself is delighted though. Who knows!

Regarding publishing, yes people would crticise whichever name she used, you are right. This is probably deeply unfair. But unknown would be writers probably think it's deeply unfair that any celeb can get a huge advance on a poem, because of who they are.

Port1aCastis · 11/06/2021 22:10

@ExitChasedByABee

Meghan is the Duchess of Sussex. What was she supposed to use? If she used Meghan Markle, it would be seen as a royal snub, if she used Meghan Mountbatten-Windsor, she’d still be accused that she’s using her royal connections just as she’s been accused of such for her using her title.

As for Harry, the grandson, choosing to use Lilibet, how do we know QE2, his grandmother, is against it? I haven’t watched the Oprah interview nor have I heard the podcasts people were mentioning, but really? Did he actually say that his family are toxic or that they’re racist? It’s like when people were accusing of trying to censor his mother. All I see is a dysfunctional family who have a public role and the whole world seems to know more about their intentions than they themselves seem to be saying. With the exception for clear cut evidence, for instance with Sarah, Andrew and Sophie, I don’t see how people can extrapolate such wild assertions.

Great post!
Singlenotsingle · 11/06/2021 22:11

Elizabeth would have been better.

PuffItsGone · 11/06/2021 22:14

Don’t like it at all. Very try hard.

ExitChasedByABee · 11/06/2021 22:42

You’re right, Margaret. Perhaps he might have issues with his family, but I just think jumping to the conclusion that he thinks that his family are toxic or are racist, seems quite bizarre. Unless those were his very words, it’s just jumping to wild conclusions.

And in regards to publishing, unfortunately that’s how it works. Many talented authors and poets etc often go unnoticed by the publishing world unless they’ve somehow established their name. It is what it is. But I think now with the advent of social media, positive changes can still be made.

Zzelda · 12/06/2021 08:22

Lots of grandmothers would LOVE having their nickname used. Yes you are generalising.

Not sure that lots of grandmothers would love it if the grandchild concerned has just been broadcasting to the world how dreadful they and their family are.

Roussette · 12/06/2021 08:35

Not sure that lots of grandmothers would love it if the grandchild concerned has just been broadcasting to the world how dreadful they and their family are

Good job they didn't do that then. It's been said here endlessly that H&M said nothing against the Queen.

AdaColeman · 12/06/2021 08:51

I'm not keen on the name itself, Elizabeth is much nicer I think. But I do think that it's odd that a couple apparently seeking a more private life, should give their daughter such an instantly recognisable name.

sunglassesonthetable · 12/06/2021 10:30

Not sure that lots of grandmothers would love it if the grandchild concerned has just been broadcasting to the world how dreadful they and their family are.

You know that new little baby has done nothing except be born. And regardless of any thing, the only presumption I'm making on QE2's behalf is that she loves it.

Zzelda · 13/06/2021 09:36

@Roussette

Not sure that lots of grandmothers would love it if the grandchild concerned has just been broadcasting to the world how dreadful they and their family are

Good job they didn't do that then. It's been said here endlessly that H&M said nothing against the Queen.

But they banged on about Charles' dysfunctional upbringing. They could pay lip service to their love for the Queen as much as they like, that doesn't change the fact that there was a heavy implication that she was a poor parent. Plus, of course, if someone criticises people you love so publicly, it's not much comfort that they've tried to leave you out of the shitshow.
Zzelda · 13/06/2021 09:38

@sunglassesonthetable

Not sure that lots of grandmothers would love it if the grandchild concerned has just been broadcasting to the world how dreadful they and their family are.

You know that new little baby has done nothing except be born. And regardless of any thing, the only presumption I'm making on QE2's behalf is that she loves it.

The baby isn't the grandchild who's been slagging off the family, she's a great grandchild. I don't doubt that the queen loves her great grandchild, that doesn't automatically mean that she loves what the great grandchild's parents have done.
LadyEloise · 13/06/2021 10:04

@AdaColeman wrote "I'm not keen on the name itself. Elizabeth is much nicer....But I do think that it's odd that a couple apparently seeking a more private life, should give their daughter such an instantly recognisable name."

I totally agree. Hopefully they'll stick to Lili as they said.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 13/06/2021 10:08

My overwhelming thought is what about Doria? She must be so hurt she hasn't been remembered at all. She has done nothing wrong and has always been there quiet and dignified for her daughter.
Both names are from the family they say was totally dysfunctional and destroyed them.
It's absolutely bonkers.
In any other situation the name would be cute but in this situation it's just WTF.

LadyEloise · 13/06/2021 10:30

I agree Shehasadiamondinthesky.

Roussette · 13/06/2021 10:37

But they banged on about Charles' dysfunctional upbringing

Charles banged on about it himself so they aren't doing anything he hasn't done.

My overwhelming thought is what about Doria? She must be so hurt she hasn't been remembered at all. She has done nothing wrong and has always been there quiet and dignified for her daughter

This is so weird. Other posters have said this. Is there an obligation to do this? No. They see Doria all the time, why do they have to use her name?

Why are you saying... she has done nothing wrong... that is inferring H&M must think she has because they haven't used her name?
Maybe she doesn't want them to, maybe they just don't like the name? Why would she be hurt? Do you honestly imagine Meghan doesn't talk to her mother at all?!
My DM has two pretty awful names, whatever I think of her, I wouldn't be using them!!

Port1aCastis · 13/06/2021 11:02

They haven't banged on half as much as the gutter press who have managed to bitch slander and spread hate about them for months and I expect 99% of the media onslaught is fabricated

Violetlavenders · 13/06/2021 12:43

This is so weird. Other posters have said this. Is there an obligation to do this? No. They see Doria all the time, why do they have to use her name?

They gave their dd two names, both coming from the Royal family. It feels like a conscious decision.

It would have been nice to give their dd a name to honour Meghan's family too.

Roussette · 13/06/2021 12:51

Even if Doria didn't want that, or M&H didn't like the name?

So many posters on here have posted again and again and again saying what they consider are suitable names for this little baby, someone else's child.

I wouldn't dream of saying to anyone ... whoever they are... why didn't you call your baby this, that or the other. But I suppose they're M&H so fair game for this idiocy.

SionnachRua · 13/06/2021 13:07

@Shehasadiamondinthesky

My overwhelming thought is what about Doria? She must be so hurt she hasn't been remembered at all. She has done nothing wrong and has always been there quiet and dignified for her daughter. Both names are from the family they say was totally dysfunctional and destroyed them. It's absolutely bonkers. In any other situation the name would be cute but in this situation it's just WTF.
Doria gets to have a relationship with this baby, Diana does not (and presumably the Queen won't have much time with her either). All things considered I'd say Doria is quite happy not to be in Diana's shoes.
Port1aCastis · 13/06/2021 13:09

Maybe Mrs Ragland didn't want grandchildren named after her who knows certainly not Mn, but any stick will do to beat a new Mum and her baby hey

RickiTarr · 13/06/2021 13:19

But they banged on about Charles' dysfunctional upbringing

Charles banged on about it himself so they aren't doing anything he hasn't done.

That’s a difference worth at least considering, though, isn’t it? Telling your own story in public versus telling someone else’s. This is highly personal stuff and clearly there has been some upset in the family, in more than one generation, so feelings are tender.

We have some eccentric branches to my family, some “interesting” choices, some repeated patterns, and as a result some of my relations had unconventional childhoods.

My gut feeling is that - if for some reason I/we were media worthy and the interviewer knew enough to ask about these eccentricities - I would feel entitled to speak about my own (distant, diluted) experience of it but not, for example, about my parent’s, grandparent’s or sibling’s thoughts on or experience of it.

If I were to write about the whole saga, for publication, I’d only do it after the older generation were dead.

Different if you’re chatting privately to your friend or your spouse about patterns you can see repeated through the generations, of course. Similarly, if you’re writing a private family history for family members only.

If I were likely to actually give such an interview, I think about where the line is even more carefully than I am now.

I think it is hard, really, for most people to imagine being famous and the ramifications of that.

Zzelda · 13/06/2021 17:27

@Port1aCastis

They haven't banged on half as much as the gutter press who have managed to bitch slander and spread hate about them for months and I expect 99% of the media onslaught is fabricated
The point is someone said that lots of grandmothers would be delighted if their nickname were used for a great grandchild, I was simply pointing out they may be less delighted if it's in the context of the child's parents slagging them off publicly. What other people or papers might be doing is totally irrelevant in that context.
sunglassesonthetable · 13/06/2021 17:39

The point is someone said that lots of grandmothers would be delighted if their nickname were used for a great grandchild, I was simply pointing out they may be less delighted if it's in the context of the child's parents slagging them off publicly. What other people or papers might be doing is totally irrelevant in that context.

Yep. It's true.

QE2 might be pissed off just as much as she might not.

Doria might feel left out or she might not.

Lilibet is a loving tribute or it's a shameless overstepping of the mark.

It's all super speculation and going round in circles.

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