Lilibet Diana — what do we think?

[BabyBabyOh]

Harry and Megan have announced the birth of their little girl. Thoughts on the name?

Congratulations to them

@Zzelda

As RickiTarr says, if the BBC can show they are simply reporting what the Palace said, they can tell Harry to fuck off.

In any event, it's a stupid thing to sue about. How much damage can he realistically claim to have suffered from this?

His feelings have been hurt?

Compensation for hurt feelings due to defamation is very low in the UK.

It’s almost as though people are trying to find a reason to be angry at Meghan and Harry no matter what. I might not agree with every single thing they do, but I just don’t see how a grandson and his wife deciding to honour his grandmother is such a bad thing. If he didn’t at all, then some people would still be fuming because they’ve somehow snubbed the royal family just as some believed was the case for their first born. It’s an unfortunate catch-22 situation, they can’t do right or wrong and they’d inadvertently make some people unhappy but life goes on.

It’s almost as though people are trying to find a reason to be angry at Meghan and Harry no matter what. I might not agree with every single thing they do,

I think you’re overestimating how many people are emotionally invested in their doings.

It’s just a spectacle or vaudeville when the royals go off-script (Abdication crisis, Princess Margaret and her first love, War of the Waleses) and a bit embarrassing that our country is run by a soap opera family.

It’s only a few obsessives who get deeply psychologically attached to any of them.

A really over the top dramatic article in the daily mail today by Jan Moir saying that using the name Lilibet is akin to stealing the Crown Jewels, make it stop !!

It’s almost as though people are trying to find a reason to be angry at Meghan and Harry no matter what
Hardly.
It more like adults have opinions of the publi actions of attention seeking celebrities. Fanclub decide this means there's a conspiracy where everyone hates their beloved couple.

If they named their daughter after a relative under many other circumstances, most people wouldn't particularly care. Naming their daughter after a relative following months of them slagging off their family, calling their family toxic, going on Oprah to accuse their family of being racist, subsequently commenting on how awful the parenting has been over generations and so on makes very little sense. It does make sense that members of the public might roll their eyes at things the couple have said and done in public their don't quite add up.

I just don’t see how a grandson and his wife deciding to honour his grandmother is such a bad thing.

It's more that it's weird, when you've just been slagging off said grandmother and her children. And it's not really honouring her, otherwise they would have used Elizabeth. It does smack of populism, given that there is a wave of further goodwill to her after Philip's death and the fact that he used that nickname for her has been given a lot of recent publicity.

I suspect Harry's lawyers will tell him to back right off. He has to show that this will have lowered him in the eyes of right-thinking members of the public. All the BBC really has to do is to point to all the recent adverse publicity and the untruths he's been caught out in, to show that he was already pretty thoroughly lowered in people's eyes and that this won't realistically have made any difference.

I actually agree with Jan Moir. There were so many versions of Elizabeth they could have used. Using her private nickname (it seems without express permission) was insensitive. I am generalising, but if he were a granddaughter not grandson he would probably have realised this!

I think people should be able to name their kids what they like, but most people accept that some family names are more sensitive.

Harry really hurt his Grandma whilst PP was dying in hospital. Didn’t stop there and won’t. If she meant that much to him he wouldn’t have disrespected the RF the way he has in such a public manner.

It’s clearly to try curry favour with the queen, and to try underline that although they hate her racist institution theyre still happy to milk the association with it for all its worth.

See “Meghan, Duchess of Sussex’ on the title page of her new book.

Great post @Brazilianut
I fully agree.
Disrespect when PP was dying
Trying to curry favour now.

The nutters still at it I see

I actually agree with Jan Moir. There were so many versions of Elizabeth they could have used. Using her private nickname (it seems without express permission) was insensitive. I am generalising, but if he were a granddaughter not grandson he would probably have realised this!

Lots of grandmothers would LOVE having their nickname used. Yes you are generalising.

I wanted to use my grandmother's nickname had I had a girl. All round delight.

The levels of presumption on here are wild.

^Harry really hurt his Grandma whilst PP was dying in hospital. Didn’t stop there and won’t. If she meant that much to him he wouldn’t have disrespected the RF the way he has in such a public manner.

It’s clearly to try curry favour with the queen, and to try underline that although they hate her racist institution theyre still happy to milk the association with it for all its worth.

See “Meghan, Duchess of Sussex’ on the title page of her new book.^

I agree.

Why does she need her title rather than just her name as most authors do ?

Why does she need her title rather than just her name as most authors do

What like the rest of the RF do? Prince Charles, Princess Michael of Kent and Sarah Ferguson who flogged Duchess of York on a huge amount of books.

Is it one rule for them, but another one for Meghan?

They didn’t leave the RF institution and then say how toxic and racist they all are. Oh, and bad parents. That’s why there are different rules.

Errmmmm.... you obviously havven't heard Sarah Ferguson's tell all book and OW interview talking about how awful it was to be in the RF. She called her time in the royal family as miserable and not a fairy tale at all and talked of the courtiers etc.

No. There should not be different rules for Meghan. Appalling to think that should be the case.

She is Duchess of Sussex. Like it or not.

And SF brought out a Mills & Boon back in January, twenty five years after she left the royal family... calling herself Duchess of York.

So no, just no.

Plenty of remarks were made at the time about other royals who wrote books. Fergie’s children’s books can’t have been that bad though as she wrote quite a lot, didn’t she?

Yes she wrote loads. Not just childrens books. There was 'Dining with the Duchess' and 'Dieting with the Duchess' and 'My story' type books too.

I just think it's wrong to criticise MM for using her title when they all do it and are prolific.

I haven’t heard the Duchess of York bemoaning the RF.

Well, she did. As I said above.

Books on it. I think it was called 'My Life'. She said she was miserable in the RF and talks of the 'grey men'. And to Oprah.

Have you got a link because I have never heard of this before. I always thought that the Duchess of York had remained very loyal to the RF because of her continuing relationship with her ex husband and for the well being of her dsughters. I am happy to be proved wrong by something more substantial than hearsay.

A link to what?

Here's her book if that's what you mean. She talks of 'the frustrations, the humiliations and the occasional joys of being in the House of Windsor'.

The Oprah interview is on youtube.

It isn't hearsay . I don't go around just making things up!

Here is one of the reviews about the book...
'I couldn't believe how horribly she was treated by who are basically the Board of Directors in the Palace. They tried to get her out from day one. They tried to order her around, lied to her, lied to the press about her, told the press Prince Andrew was embarrassed by her which was never the case, and through all of it the Queen never fired them! That only made them bolder'

The levels of presumption on here are wild

It's not really a presumption to suggest it is insensitive not to ask before using a highly personal nickname, it's just common sense (in my opinion).

I also don't understand why people suggesting it was a bit off are labelled nutters on MN. That's a bit rude. Appalling even, as Rousette would point out I am just passing some time before tea, like everyone else.

I agree that it sounds like SF was treated badly by some people the palace. However, I also think there are two sides to every story and that only one side ever gets told, presumably due to NDAs.

I don't think either of them should be able to get book deals because of their titles, and I also disagree with celebrity book deals, but then that's publishing!

It's not really a presumption to suggest it is insensitive not to ask before using a highly personal nickname, it's just common sense (in my opinion).

Obviously it is a moot point whether it was discussed beforehand. Two differing camps as we all know.

The Jan Moir article you referred to suggested it was insensitive simply using the name at all.

That I find massively presumptive.