How would you pronounce Frances?

[JessicaBearx]

I would pronounce it FrARNces. Is this how most pronounce it or do you pronounces in Fran ces?
Asking because i don't want to pick a name we are pronouncing "wrong". Thanks

Given the accent differences, I suppose the pertinent question is:

Does anyone pronounce the first syllable of the name Frances differently to how they pronounce the country France?

I've been trying to say banana so that it doesn't rhyme with Hannah but it just sounds daft in my accent (Westcountry)

Doesn't it just depend where you are from? Or what accent you have?

France's
I'm from the south. Where do you live?

What's with the random 'R' stuck in the middle of so many of these?!?
Surely it should be pronounced as you spell it?

"What's with the random 'R' stuck in the middle of so many of these?!?"

Also just caught up with the 'Hannah' doesn't rhyme with 'banana' - this has made me giggle!

Hannah rhymes with Manner, surely?!

For those who claim to never say hambag - how do you pronounce input? And how do you think impatient came to be spelled with an m?

Excellent posts, MrsHathaway.

Disneycare I agree with you re the random r stuck into or onto the end of words.

Hannah rhymes with banana in Ireland.

Fran sis

Knight used to be pronounced as it's spelt.

Debt never was.

Is anyone actually claiming that English spelling is logical?!

Knight = Kuniggt???

Also, herb used to have a silent h here. The Pilgrim Fathers took the silent h with them to America.

Knight = Kuniggt???

Basically.

Cf. German Knecht. And also note that knight underwent amelioration, while Knecht underwent the opposite, pejoration. Everyone should learn this stuff.

Head is banging against brick wall repeatedly.

It is bizarre that some people don't seem to have ever noticed that there are different accents in use across the British Isles. You don't choose your accent (generally, unless you are choosing to change it consciously) and you don't make choices about what the pronunciations in that accent are. You learn the accent you grow up with. France, advance, dance, chance, glance, stance, lance, prance and trance are all pronounced with a long a (ah) in my accent. So are Francis and Frances. So are plant, grant, chant and shan't. They just are. Want is pronounced 'wont' and change is pronounced 'chaynge'. That's how it is. It's not some strange (straynge) conspiracy to subvert the one true pronunciation by Mumsnetters.

Re Hannah Banana - how do the people who rhyme those say Bananas in Pyjamas?

(I'm a long A southerner, so my way is Banahnas in Pyjahmas)

Lapdance, bananas, pyjamas and Hannah all rhyme (same flat A) for Scottish people.

Thought they might

Thanks, AgentCooper.

(Hannah is a short A for me because of the double N - like banner & manna & gannet. I just can't make it rhyme with banana)

Good post, ontopofthesunset. A number of us have been trying to make these points since page 1, but there still seem to be a worrying number of people who think pronouncing Frances with a long 'a' is a deliberate affectation, or conversely that it's impossible for Hannah and Banana to rhyme. This thread is one of the most bizarre I've seen on MN, and that's really saying something.

Flat A in pyjamas.

Hannah doesn't rhyme with manner because there is an R in manner that I enunciate.

For those who claim to never say hambag - how do you pronounce input? And how do you think impatient came to be spelled with an m?

Han'bag, and In-put.

www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=impatient
'impatient (adj.)
late 14c., from Old French impacient "impatient" (Modern French impatient), from Latin impatientem (nominative impatiens) "that cannot bear, intolerant, impatient," from assimilated form of in- "not, opposite of" (see in- (1)) + patiens "bearing, enduring" (see patience). Related: Impatiently.'

Blame the French...

Hannah doesn't rhyme with manner because there is an R in manner that I enunciate

I said manna

(I did also say banner & gannet, tbf, but it doesn't rhyme with those. The initial A sound is the same though)

NC4now Sun 16-Jul-17 14:29:17
Hannah rhymes with Manner, surely?!

I was responding to that^^

Come to think of it, I probably should have added that Hannah has no R in my accent.