Names and (mis)behaviour

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In my experience I have found certain names reoccur when it comes to negative behaviour in school, especially with boys. Not sure I should blunder in and upset new mums, so I'll settle for outing the common names for naughty lads back in my day. Stephens were usually the worst, but Davids came close.

I don't find this at all.

With more common names you are guaranteed to know children on all behaviours and personalities that are called them.

And with rarer names you don't get a representative sample.

My current nemeses in the classroom (is that the right plural?) are Sam, Ben, James and 2 quite unusual names that I won't mention. But I also teach absolutely delightful boys called Sam, Ben and James and have no other example of the other two names to compare these individuals to. So my current experience means nothing.

I can't think of any well used name where I have found the children to be always one way or the other.

The thing is there were shedloads of Steves and Daves back in the day so statistically speaking they are going to be more represented among the naughty children. Because there are more of them overall.

Joshua

Every David I knew was from a posh family and geeky at school.

The shits where Marks and weird names like Alvin, Noel, Ricky.

Ryan. Every teacher I know has said this name belongs to a student they know who is naughty.

Does it begin with a J...?

What a stupid thread.

Of the names mentioned so far, including the ones I've mentioned:
Stephen - teach 1, he's lovely
David - don't know any atm, most recent one was an angel child
Sam - teach about 15. 3 are a nightmare, 4 are gorgeous and the rest fall somewhere in between.
Ben - teach 3. 1 very unpleasant, 2 delightful.
James - teach about 8. 1 is one of the most difficult children I've ever come across, 1 has his moments, the rest are lovely.
Joshua - teach 7. 1 can be difficult when he wants to be, 2 are completely angelic, the others are nice kids.
Mark - don't think I've ever taught one. Some very 'goody goody' Marks when I was at school myself though (which probably means they were lovely kids from an adult perspective!)
Have never known an Alvin, a Ricky or a Noel.
Ryan - never taught one. Lots in my year at school. I was frightened of about 2/3rds of them which might mean they were seen as naughty kids - but to be honest I was a bit of a wimp so not necessarily! The other 1/3 were fine.

I'm not seeing any patterns so far!

Waiting for my DS's name to be mentioned, it's always high up on the lists of 'naughty names' he has his naughty moments but is pretty much just an average kid behaviour wise.

One of my teacher friends doesn't like J names as she's taught a lot of naughty J boys

Aren't approximately 50% of men between 35-60 called Steven or David?

Your teacher friend needs to find a new job then.

OnHold - she just didn't name her child a J name.

I have nothing against J names so please don't be blunt, I have J names in my family xx

Ex teacher here and no 'naughty' names. Get away with your goady thread, OP.

One of my teacher friends doesn't like J names as she's taught a lot of naughty J boys

How silly of her.

Yes, that sounds about right, Thelivingasheth!

It's just down to how common a name is surely?

And if we start expecting these children to be troublemakers then the chances are they will live up to some, if not all, of the prophecy they have been tarred with. Eg you know a james who is a royal pain so you either expect that behaviour or you are more on top of that child to prevent it. Subsequent james' are then a reminder of that one, so you're unfairly more harsh on then as you're expecting poor behaviour. And possibly they then react to the unfairness by playing up to the character you assume them to be.

Not a boy's name but I never taught a delightful student named 'Shannon'. Currently 'Jacob's have SEN. I teach in one school the UK, and only teach a small percentage of the students. Therefore my 'data' is completely irrelevant.

I find this quite interesting, not goady at all. Interesting to see how representative my experiences as a secondary teacher are. YY to names with J being difficult - we had a week last term where all internally excluded pupils had names beginning with J. Josh is a lovely name but I do tend to associate it with trouble... IME Ryans are also difficult, but the Shannon I teach is a delight!

My brother is called Ryan, he was a naughty kid if that's anything.

I love the name Ryan and Josh tho, but I love little mischievous cheeky little boys, maybe that's why I like them!

I agree with the comment on name popularity tho

I'm pretty sure it's to do with how common or popular a certain name is.
E.g. Names that relate to say a certain TV show might be popular in some places but not others therefore people might see those names associated with particular characteristics.

Is the J name Jayden by any chance ?

It's funny how people you know influence this as well or even just weird associations - I personally hate the name Louise as I associate it with snot. I have no idea why. I've only known one Louise and she wasn't particularly snotty.

Not trying to be goady! I have noticed that certain names at work tend to be attached to challenging children but didn't want to out them
True that we did have lots of Stevens in my school (in the late 60s)!

The thing is there were shedloads of Steves and Daves back in the day so statistically speaking they are going to be more represented among the naughty children. Because there are more of them overall.

Asheth's quote sums it up quite nicely.

Elephants, really not sure about listing children's names with SEN.

I think, but I am not entirely sure that I am correct, that more names begin with J than any other consonants.

My daughter's partner is a Ryan and he owns up to having been naughty at school.

Stephen was top 10 in the 50s/60s. Steven not far behind. Super popular! David similarly popular, more so even.