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AIBU about Caoimhe

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Littleturkish · 10/01/2015 05:29

DH and I have taken a long long time to choose this name, Irish heritage on both sides, Irish surname (and maiden name!) I love this name.

When DH agreed, he didn't realise how it was spelt. Now he knows. He thinks we should pick a different one. I have first hand experience of having a difficult Irish name to spell and think it will be fine.

AIBU? I don't want to start finding a new name all over again- is Caoimhe that awful to spell??

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babbityann · 13/02/2015 16:16

Go with it OP.
My daughter has a very unusal Irish name (not so much in Ireland) We were not prepared to compromise and even though it's difficult to spell (and pronounce for some) She loves it (late teens) says it gives her a real sense of idenity especially when many of her friends are called Emily and Hannah!

Jackieharris · 14/02/2015 14:56

We are considering this name.

Dp really likes it even though he'd never heard of it until going through baby name lists last week!

I've met a primary school aged caiomhe so I don't think its so uncommon now esp where we live.

Peanut14 · 14/02/2015 16:02

Lucybabs, there are different regional pronunciations to the name. I have a daughter Caoimhe and we pronounce it Qwee-va, we're from South West Ireland. I know a Caoimhe from Dublin and she pronounces Keeva. As far as I know the pronunciation Kee-va is the more anglicised version.

Op go for it, we love the name. Don't worry about the spelling. I too have an irish name, pronounced totally different to the spelling (if not read with an Irish reading eye), mine even has a fada, I love my name too. I have lived aboard and have gotten on fine with it, I've had laughs while travelling over the spelling but all on good jest.

Caoimhe has become very popular again over the past few years.

Littleturkish · 14/02/2015 16:06

Thanks for all the comments!

Am now very close to having the baby- I'll update when we have a name!

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professornangnang · 14/02/2015 19:34

The correct pronunciation is actually kweeva rather than Keeva.

ragged · 14/02/2015 19:46

Can you imagine if this thread was about an indian or chinese or whatever name, and OP was 2nd generation from that culture? Not one of you would dare to tell her that the names from her own culture are too hard to spell or unfair on the child.

Um, I'd be laughed at wildly if I said I really wanted to call my baby Abbegayle* and I really didn't see why people were funny about it.

It's cultural for me, of course, I am American after all :). It's part of our culture not to be traditional.

*almost actual spelling of one of my cousins

dustarr73 · 15/02/2015 17:23

Wasn't one of the 90s girl group Bewitched called Keeva?
No she was called Keavy

ilikepie · 16/02/2015 07:30

I love it, never mind the spelling, keep the original, but only if you pronounce it Keeva.

If you pronounce it Kweeva it reminds me of queef and quim, and i used to be a Viz reader, so to me sounds rude......

mathanxiety · 16/02/2015 08:41

'from what I read Caoimhe has a few different 'standard' pronunciations, so have to expect sometimes your child called whichever one isn't your preferred way to say it. I suppose the advantage of something phonetic in English is that you have a better chance of getting exact pronunciation you want.'

There are two pronunciations, Keeva and Queeva. They are both standard. Keeva is west and NW Irish and Queeva is SW and southern Irish.
'Sorry but proper Irish pronunciation for Caoimhe is Queeva, not Keeva.'
Not so.

I have a completely phonetic English surname, common in one particular region of England and well known in the US because a famous actor also bears the surname. You would not believe the non-phonetic variations I hear, from the comical to the unbelievable, from people whose first language is English. So I disagree that your chance of getting the pronunciation you want goes up the more phonetic your spelling is.

I have an Irish name that gets mispronounced - once. Nearly everyone who hears it gets it right the second time. I secretly judge people who don't.

It gets misspelled; doesn't bother me. What does bother me is the misspelling and mispronunciation of the Anglo names of my DCs, because they were chosen in preference to Irish names just to avoid the various awful and life-limiting problems Hmm so many have warned about on this thread.

One of the DCs has a name that has been in the top ten for at least a decade, and one has a simple four letter name, often categorised as a classic. They have maybe a 50/50 chance of seeing their names spelled right. Two of the DCs have Es in their names that are mispronounced and misspelled as an A, causing a significant mispronunciation and misspelling. In one case an extra syllable is added thanks to the A. The only one whose name everyone gets right uses a nickname three letters long but a combination of two letters (along the lines of Bob). Everyone gets it right except her gym teacher for the last six years, that is.

Trooperslane · 16/02/2015 08:44

Go for it. It's lovely. Don't discuss names with MIL!

Carrie5608 · 16/02/2015 09:29

I am amazed at the amount of people saying Que-va is the correct pronounciation. There are regional variations on the pronounciation of lots of gaelic words especially where there is a scots or welsh influence. Definitely Kee-va in Ulster (mostly).

With the fada's they go over the bit and that doesn't sound like it should. Eg Ciarán (Kieron) be because the fada changes the a sound to an o sound. HTH Smile

mathanxiety · 17/02/2015 01:23

It's one of two correct pronunciations. One pronunciation is W and NW (Keeva), the other is S and SW (Queeva). The Scots of Welsh influence has nothing to do with it. It's just a slight difference in separate Irish speaking areas. Depending on what Gaeltacht region accent an Irish teacher favours, children in school will be learning one or the other in any given year. I learned Kerry accent Irish all through primary school and then Connemara accent Irish in secondary.

A becomes Aw with a fada, not really an O sound, in my accent anyway.

Carrie5608 · 17/02/2015 04:02

Do you say Ciar-awn?

Littleturkish · 17/02/2015 04:35

We say Cear (rhymes with gear)-on and Grawn-ya.

I believe the letter next to the fada changes the pronounciation?

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Littleturkish · 17/02/2015 04:36

Or Cear-run, really. Not Ron. Phonetic spelling is hard Grin

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mathanxiety · 18/02/2015 07:40

It's the fada alone that changes the vowel sound. Fadas have no impact on anything but vowels
Ciarán is pronounced Keer-awn. Without the fada (Ciaran) it would be Keer-un.

You may be thinking of slender and broad vowels changing the pronunciation of the adjacent consonant. A, O, and U are broad and E and I are slender. Vowels on either side of a consonant must be either broad or slender, never a mixture.
An example of broad and slender vowels changing the pronunciation of the consonant is the words súil (eye) and siúl (walk).
Súil is pronounced Soo-il
Siúl is pronounced Shool

In general, a broad consonant is pronounced with the tip of the tongue against the alveolar ridge behind the teeth, or the back of the tongue against the back of the roof of the mouth. A slender consonant is pronounced with the middle of the tongue close to or against the roof of the mouth.
D, N, T, L and S follow the pattern of tip of tongue to alveolar ridge for broad pronunciation and middle of the tongue presses against the middle of the roof of the mouth for slender.

With letters C and G the back of the tongue presses against the back of the mouth for a broad C or G and the middle of the tongue presses against a spot closer to the front for slender C or G. (C and G are hard C and G in Irish.)

In the case of the letters M, B, F, P and R, a broad consonant is pronounced with rounded lips and a slender one with more stretched lips. (Irish F is supposed to be pronounced with the lips.)

Dowser · 17/03/2015 22:42

And I guessed at Carmen ;-)

Roomba · 17/03/2015 22:50

My friend's DD is a Caoimhe (pronounced Keeva). I like it, but a few of our mutual acquaintances took the piss behind her back and insist on referring to the poor girl as 'Quaver', 'Quinoa' etc.

Some people will bitch and stick their oar in whatever you call your DC. If you love it, use it, but use the correct spelling though don't Anglicise it.

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meglet · 17/03/2015 23:09

this explains why ds talks about 'Keeva' in his class but I've never noticed her name on any newsletters or wall based work Blush .

MomOfTwoGirls2 · 21/03/2015 22:08

Dd1 is a Caoimhe, and was born in US. Until her doctor added the phonetic pronunciation on her file it was being prounounced 'Kai o me'. None of our US friends or colleagues had heard the name before, but the all got used to it pretty quickly.
We are back in Ireland now, and there is at least one Caoimhe in each class in DDs school.
I'm biased of course, but I love the name.

Butterflywings168 · 21/03/2015 23:58

I had to ask DM (Irish but has lived in UK since small child) how to pronounce Caoimhe. Her response: I have no idea. Shock (Her parents were all deny heritage and pretend we are naice English people after coming to UK).
DSis has middle name Aisling.
I like both and Niamh. Will def give any future DC Irish name.
Ex-P would have also wanted Greek names - THAT is mean IMO Grin

Butterflywings168 · 22/03/2015 00:05

Also living in London, people EXPECT to need to spell and ask spellings of names. Also to ask and correct pronunciation. I have several work colleagues I had to do the 'sorry but I have no idea how to say your name' thing. Everything from African to Eastern European. No big deal. Takes seconds and then everything is fine.
I have friends from naice (read white Torygraph-reading) areas who won't even try to say what they would like to order in Italian restaurants but point. Italian! It is NOT hard Angry

GatoradeMeBitch · 22/03/2015 00:19

It's pronounced 'Keeva' right? There was a Caoimhe on Big Brother one year Grin

I can tell you that all of us on the BB gossip board learnt to spell her name without trouble. If you love it - and it is a lovely name - go for it!

verbeier · 22/03/2015 00:32

I have children with Irish Gaelic names (in SE England). I still love the names but I do feel sorry for them when grown ups ask them how they are pronounced in a "what sort of ridiculous name is this?" tone and eye rolling. It really grates on me. They're only little but I don't want them to feel embarrassed by their names just because of idiot people. Also, I think my DS in reception may not be getting any party invites as a lot of people mistake his name for a girls name (there are a LOT of segregated parties around here, where its 1950 every day). Screw everyone, I say...(bitter or what?)

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