Jayden

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Finding it really hard to pick a boys name, I've got a little boy called Louie and thinking of Jayden for this one could be shortend to J or middle name will be Joseph as that's my dads name so Jayden Joseph could also be JJ. Honest opinions please :)

Sorry don't like Jayden or JJ. Just personal taste though and if you like it, that's really all that matters! x

No its not a first name. Someone said it wasn't. So that must be true.
Just as someone said that Jayden won't every be a high court judge, also must be true.
Don't forget all the babies called L-a and Rubella and that teachers hate Liams and Connors.

ALL TRUE.

I am just grateful we have got this far without someone mentioning Freakanomics.

Mrs.D, you forget the ever popular Female...I always wait with bated breathe for a poster to come along and swear she has a friend who works on a maternity ward who knows a mum that gave her baby that very name!....and doncha know that mum was a non English speaking immigrant..snort, gasp, snort..

Someone did mention it

I missed it?!!

I must have blocked that out speed .

You would think that book was the sodding Bible the way people mis quote it and seek to live by its tenets.

Oh yes secret the hilarious tales of forriners naming their children Vagina and Midwife and the young girls who chose Chlamydia cos its well pretty innit?

Why would teachers hate Liams and Conors? They, to me, are classic examples of those very 'in the middle' type of names that are used by everyone of all classes and backgrounds. Aren't they?

I very rarely comment on baby names, unless I want to tell the OP how lovely I think a name is. These threads seem to me to be mostly an exercise for closet racists and snobs to air their prejudice under the guise of helping a mother to be in choosing a name.

Because it is a well known fact that all Connors and Liams are naughty.
Apparently

I agree Secret and the reasons given are so bizarre and its is insane that people think they are being reasonable.

These poor old Jaydens. 300+ posts and counting!

OP, unfortunately most people on here are right. Jayden is a name with connotations. Because that's the way society/culture works, it seems: for every generation there are a few names (always new, non-classic, virtually unknown then seemingly everywhere) which become associated with being 'common' , 'chavvy' or whatever the current nasty sneering word denoting the supposed Undesirables is.

Tracy, Sharon, Wayne - all past examples.

Jayden will undoubtedly fall out of fashion in a few years in the same way these names did, and so like them the association will also be with a particular age bracket.

So yes if I were your baby, I'd probably prefer to have a different name.

sigh

Mmm, all the high court judges I know are called Milord

The high court judge I knew liked me to call him 'a very naughty boy'.

I like the name Tracey for a boy.

Sorry, I mentioned Freakonmics on the second page I think?

I was very struck by their chapter on what happened when they sent identical CVs out using different names.

I don't think I am a closet racist or snob. The only way someone can think that is if they insist on attributing things to me that I never said.

I have been troubled by this thread because I have clearly upset and offended a number of posters.

So I took the time to re-read the thread again, particularly my posts and I remain baffled at the accusations made against me.

I would genuinely be grateful if someone could point out where I have said
a)we should all aspire to be middle class
b)prejudice and snobbery are great
c)everyone called Jayden is going into care
d)I think poor people are shit and don't care about their children

because all these accusations appear to have been levelled against me for no reason whatsoever that I can see from what I have written.

Sorry, on re-reading that it is a bit me! me! all about me, so feel free to ignore.

But I am genuinely upset at being called a racist snob, as I expect anyone would be so it might help me to be shown exactly where I have demonstrated this appalling characteristics.

I don't think you are a racist at all.
I think you are more of a snob than you think you are though.

Your list of points is disingenuous.
No one is telling you that you said every child called Jayden will go into care. You have been told that bring care proceedings onto the thread is inappropriate and irrelevant.

It is utterly meaningless to state that you have several names that you associate with care proceedings when there are thousands and thousands of children in care with perfectly acceptable MN names.
Its offensive and you shouldn't have done it.

The rest of the points are written along the same exaggerated lines so I cba to address them.

If you don't like a name say you don't like it. There is no need to warn people about a name unless they have never heard of WWII and they are about to call their child Adolph.

I bought it into the thread to explain why the name had certain connotations to me. I don't see how that is disingenuous. It represents my experience over many years.

It is also interesting that even my detractors talk about the middle class 'snobs' reacting to certain names, which seems to prove my point that some names do have connotations.

And I go back to my original question - if we are not allowed to offer opinions about names, even when they are requested by the poster, what is the point of these threads? If it is so obvious that only 'Adolf' should ever be approached with caution, then what is the point of these threads?

The point must be that people are curious to know how others see their choice of names. And I think it is good they are so cautious. I do think names can be powerful.

I don't think I am a snob. I am certainly enjoying my daughter being at a school where the other parents don't try to borrow money off me to buy heroin. To share my experiences about this is not to try to play some Lady Bountiful type person but to show that I have actually had direct experience of how difficult some people's lives can be.

But of course, I don't have to live them, which makes me lucky and grateful. But a snob? Not so sure about that.

It was inappropriate Spero and irrelevant.

It is meaningless.

There are far more Johns in care than there are Jaydons.

I don't accept it is meaningless.

My experience supports my view. I have never had care proceedings with regard to a 'John' - I would be very surprised in fact as this is the name of my father's generation, I have in fact never met a person under 40 called John. That does not mean such a person does not exist. Just that I have never met one. Thus my experience informs my view that 'john' is an unusual name for a child.

There are certain names which are over -represented in care proceedings. To say this does not mean that everyone with this name is destined to enter the care system. Of course it does not. No where have I or anyone else suggested that, but a number of people have parroted it as if it actually was a claim I or anyone else was making.

As ever, I don't think it helps any kind of constructive debate when posters are attacked for things they have never said, hinted or implied.

I can understand the emotion it generates - I am sure I would be very upset if came across a thread saying my daughter's name was stupid/pretentious/chavvy etc.

But I would probably chose not to read the thread, rather than put myself through that.

Ok, probably best if I do leave the thread for good.

I am genuinely sorry if I have upset anyone; that was never my intention.

But I have read again what I said, and the criticisms levelled against it and I think those criticisms are unfair and unjustified and remain confident that I am neither a racist or a snob.

Recognising that something exists, is not the same as supporting it as a good thing, which I think has already been said over and over.

I think the disagreement here is a microcosm of the two approaches to a society full of hidden prejudice.

Personally I understand both stances.

Nobody has actually gone as far as trying to name asnybody else's children so there isn't really a major problem is there?

Yes spero I think it is best that you leave before you spout any more junk and then try to unsuccessfully justify yourself. I have not contributed to this thread but I have been following and I am appalled at some of the attitudes of posters and i am seriously considering wether I should still continue to post on this site. It is these kind of people that need to change their attitudes not other people needing to change what they name their child ffs

thelittleone OP SPECIFICALLY asked for 'Honest opinions please'.

Which she has been given. By various posters. The conversation has broadened out.

I know some of you have DC named Jayden/Jaiden/Kayden/Haydn/similar. I also have a Dc with a name that these days sometimes gets a sniffy response on this board. I don't know whether that is why you are bristling.

But Spero has said nothing out of line and it really isn't your job to play doorman. Wind your neck in.