Support thread for women who are pregnant or TTC after a termination for abnormalities 3

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So, New Year, New Thread. And the next set of New Babies are arriving! I hope they prove that there can be light at the end of the very dark tunnel we have all had to come through and I hope there are many more babies to come. In the meantime, we're here, as ever, with supportive words, virtual hands to hold and multiple fingers to cross to help everyone through these nerve wracking waits and scans. A more lovely group of ladies you could not wish to find. xxx

hooray. i didn't mean to nag, just that I think you can often get lost in the system if you don't stick up for yourself. Hope it all goes well. x

Grandj, great news about the 16 week scan, it?s such a shame though that you have to take care of it all yourself, pregnancy after loss is such a difficult time and you should definitely get more support.

Babylily, I am very pleased to read your news. I also had a scan before the 20 week one, at 16 weeks, and although it was not the big anomaly scan, it gave me some peace of mind and reassured me for a little while. It all sounds so good, hang in there!

Catlady, how scary about the burglary, did they find out who did it? How is little Lawrence, how is feeding going?

Natz, I had the same feeling about telling people, that I didn?t own the pregnancy anymore. And I would always get so scared whenever people were asking me if I wanted a boy or a girl? But it doesn?t matter, all this won?t affect the outcome at all, although I had turned into a superstitious paranoid woman throughout my pregnancy.

Drama, Isabella is lovely, how is George taking to having a little sister?

All well here, except for the exhaustion? My little one is feeding well and gaining weight, he is almost 5kg now at 5 weeks. But he is eating every 2 hours during the night and sometimes a bit more often during the day, which means I am awake every hour at night, sometimes every 45 minutes if he won?t settle, and I am a walking zombie. I had some down moments because of this lack of sleep, and then terrible guilt because I am so grateful to have a healthy baby, but I sometimes just go through the motions and I am too tired to enjoy him fully. And then I feel so bad about it? Anyway, I decided to give him a bottle of formula at the 11pm feed, hopefully this will give me a few hours? sleep and my DH can also help with the feed so I can go to bed early. My health visitor was not very happy about this, she said it would affect my supply and that just a bottle of formula a day can upset the gut flora in a baby, but I really do need to have this break every evening, otherwise I can?t be a good mother to him during the day.

If you breastfed, how were your nights, were your little ones able to go for longer between feeds? I?m wondering if I?m doing something wrong, or if I should do something differently?

Right, I have to dash now, lots of love to everyone, I?m here, lurking? xxx

hi my nights were similar. the only thing I took from contented baby was to feed feed feed in day and she says there is one gap so every 3 hours then one 5 hour gap - think thats a bit later than at 5 weeks tbh. The other thing i did was feed in bed, more in the day as i could rest and i would sit on the sofa for hours with them latched on at the 'granny hour' (5pm) and dh would make dinner. That's supposed to be the time when your milk supply is established for the next day. Also are you swaddling? helped my kids sleep a bit longer.

It gets better but at the beginning it's tough. If he's gaining weight well you could consider making him wait a bit before the next feed. Is 5kg about 10lb? he could prob go 3 hours at that weight i think. My sil made her son wait and wouldn't feed unless the right time it worked really well for them. Mine never put on enough weight so I couldn't risk it - the girls were snackers but the boy was a bit easier.

6 weeks is supposed to be the magic age! he's supposed to understand about day and night. I got that down period with ds, i mentioned it before, I think it's cos i expected having a healthy baby to solve all my problems - I went to the psychiatrist, he said it was normal baby blues. Definitely related to sleep deprivation.

Thanks manitz. Yes 5kg is about 10lbs. He is a snacker as well... but I gave up trying to keep him awake at night so he can eat a bit more, it just doesn't work for us. I'll just wait then, it's good to know it's all normal. Better to be tired and have him put on weight than worrying about his weight gain.

He hates swaddling, I've tried it. He also hates being in a sling and having a dummy. He's a very active baby already and I think he just wants to move a lot. My guess is he will like being in a sling when he can face outwards.

I've re-read my post, it sounds so negative. I am enjoying him very much and am a happy mother, but sometimes when the tiredness gets the better of me I am like an automaton and I am sorry because I feel that in those moments I am missing something.

i have now had 3 healthy babies and with each the first 2-3months has been the zombie time. I have little or no recollection and each day merged into another (and each baby).

you didn't sound that negative to me - just like you were checking it was all normal and it sounds very normal to me. No-one told me how hard breastfeeding would be, i just thought it was natural and would just happen but you have to work at getting it established. It was a real shock to me.

I presume you have already tried this but i would give one breast then change nappy and then give the second to try and lengthen the feeds. Oh also if you haven't already try a breastfeeding support group. I found it really supportive socially and also for ideas to help with breastfeeding.

Hi Coffee - I can't really remember the early days of feeding very well but I recall DS cluster feeding in the evenings, perhaps for 20mins each hour at 5, 6 and 7pm I think. Then I either messed it up or things changed (you can never tell which so it's not worth beating yourself up about it!) and we went to 3 hourly which became such a habit you could set the clock by it. So you could try offering the breast a bit more frequently and see if he might take more before bedtime. The early weeks are HARD; once he begins to have more predictable nap times during the day (ie 3 naps a day, and you know roughly when they will be) you can try and catch up a bit on sleep then. It also depends so much on the personality of the baby that you have. I had what was possibly postnatal depression with DS, though it could just have been that he was a pretty demanding baby, whereas with DD it really has been much easier. However things with DS really improved as he got a bit older and I was able to figure out what he wanted more easily. Never feel you SHOULD be this or SHOULD be that; I think there can be so much pressure on new mums to think they should be loving it but sometimes it can take a while, particularly when you have no chance to sleep/rest. A health visitor gave me a good bit of advice with DS, which was to get out of the house with him in the pram; it gave me a little bit of distance from him and somehow crying doesn't sound so bad when you are on the move in the open!

Re settling at night, DS didn't like to be swaddled after the first couple of weeks. I wish we'd had him in a baby sleeping bag earlier, as sometimes it's moving from the warmth of your embrace to the coldness of the bed that can wake them. Sometimes I found that putting my hand firmly on him after laying him down could help; then had to take it away REALLY gently as if I moved it suddenly he'd wake up. With DD we actually went for (whisper it) sleeping her on her side, as she slept soundly that way - we just put bolsters to make sure she couldn't go onto her face.

Re slings, it's worth seeing if a different position might work. DS hated tummy-to-tummy positions but loved being in a very upright cradle hold when young. I think there was also an issue with his neck perhaps having been strained at birth, I took him to cranial osteopathy because he was getting a flat head from preferring one side, and I think this was another reason why he didn't like facing me as it meant he really had to turn his head to one side.

Ooo - just realised DD has been napping for ages, better go wake her! xx

diasclaimer - DD slept soundly til 4mo, now she sleeps soundly enough if you don't count her habitual waking every 3 hours or so! however for the last 2 nights she's only woken once, before midnight, and DH has been able to settle her. Long may it last! Now if only I can get her to wake a little later than 5.30am... .

numpty mum has reminded me. dd was swaddled and while I fed her dh would put the moses basket mattress in the bed to warm it up then he would quickly put it back in the basket and i would lay dd on it. she also slept kind of on her side, back didn't really work for her.

I used to feed her in bed then wake up later with a start shouting 'where's the baby' thinkign i'd squashed her but having already put her back in the moses basket. def agree with getting out for a walk and if you have a good garden with trees put him outside for naps the trees really send them into a trance.

Hi everyone - I've posted a bit in the other thread about why I haven't been posting here. Then of course I had a paranoid "I hope no-one thinks I'm talking behind her back" moment. I want to say that it has nothing to do with anyone here but just that I feel that my particular experience doesn't really fit with the "TTC" of the thread title. I should be having my third IUI this week so obviously things are not going that well. I would love to be pregnant again but I'm having trouble believing it will ever happen.

hi coffee, i remember those early zombie days so clearly...Don't let anyone tell you that giving the odd bottle of formula undoes the good of breastfeeding. Anything that helps mummy be a little less exhausted is better for him in the long run.
I had an every 2 hour feeder (which meant feeding for 1 hour, having an hour of fitful sleep, then feeding again. On reflection I wasn't eating enough and running around after a 3 year old, so she was never really getting a satisfactory feed. I found the best way to cope (and to extend times between feeds in the night) was to feed off and on all evening and put her down (completely drunk on milk) as late as I could. I think I did little but feed in the daytime too. I also expressed every morning before I fed her, so there was always a supply for DH to feed her in the night at weekends.
It's all trial and error for the first 6 weeks as both you and baby learn about each other...
I also perservered with the dummy (both DD's hated them) as it did eventually stop them using my breasts as cosy soothers to fall asleep with.
It won't be long before it all gets easier - I promise (and I have now terrified myself by unearthing all those supressed memories of sleepless nights and hallucinations where I thought I'd slept .

Coffee - goodness your message took me back. You don't sound like you are complaining at all, just like you are in that kind of zombie-like state that goes with a newborn. It's SO exhausting and it feels like it's never going to end - but I promise it will change, especially as his tummy gets bigger and able to take in more milk at a time.

Your midwife sounds mad to suggest that a bottle of formula is such a bad thing. My DD used to have a bottle at 10.30ish and not only did it give me a break (which I desperately needed) but we had no problems with weaning off the breast later down the line as she was used to a bottle from very young. I've had friends who had a nightmare with stopping breastfeeding. If you are worried about your supply, you could try expressing just before you go to bed to keep the supply up? The electric breast pumps are pretty good...

Also just wanted to say that at this stage, whatever works for you is the way forward. I used to struggle to get my daughter to settle and eventually she was in the bed with us just because I found she slept so much better against me and wasn't waking up because she was hungry, more because she wanted the comfort. I moved her out again with no problems at 8 weeks once she was bigger and eating more at feeds so I didn't have to worry she was hungry. Not suggesting you do this, just wanted to say I take the view that you should do anything that helps you get through it... and I second the cranial osteopathy recommendation, worked wonders for us.

ghislane - please don't feel bad, I can't see that you said anything that could be construed at all that way. I remember a thread on the Sands forum about people who had fertility problems after loss and how heartbreaking it was. I obviously can't imagine how hard it is, but please know that we send you our love and support and huge wishes that your IUI will lead to a successful pregnancy and healthy baby. Lots of love xx

Ghislaine, spoke to you on the other thread but to reiterate what Grandj said - please take support wherever and whenever you find it, and dont worry about offending people, as you never would; you're far too sensitive for that. I really hope you find yourself here, pregnant, soon. Good luck with the IUI.

Coffee, I said I couldn't advise on sleep as I never cracked it with mine, well, I DID crack feeding, but you know what? I have no idea how, so I think they naturally spaced out feeds. One thing I definitely did was cluster-feed in the evening with both girls, and then they both went longer between feeds after that.
As for the hv and the formula, well, my hv with DD1 was always trying to get me to try formula even though I had no feeding issues - I thought she was on some sort of retainer for Aptamil cos she was always pushing Aptamil! - so your hv sounds unusually anti-formula. I suggest the following approach with unwanted advice: smile, nod, say thank you for the advice, and ignore it. I'm not sure of the science behind the virgin gut and I don't think a bottle at 11 after 5 weeks when you're feeding every 2 hours the rest of the time is going to mess up your supply. I know people say it does, but almost everyone I knew did likewise (I didn't as my girls didnt need it) and nobody suffered from supply problems. Smile, nod, and do what works for you three.

Yay on the extra scan for you Grandj and good news on the healthy baby boy from Babylily.

Coffee, your message took me back too - waaaay back to a time my memory had kindly suppressed. My now 14 year old DD used to feed every two hours. Now, as it was so long ago, not sure if advice I was given would still stand today, but it definitely worked for me, so I'll put my two cents worth in. I was told that DD was most likely getting mainly fore-milk, feeding that often. As fore-milk is lower in fat, it's less satisfying, therefore baby wakes more regularly for a feed, doesn't feed much though, as so tired, and it becomes a vicious cycle (apologies if you know this already). Another indicator they may only be getting foremilk, is that their poo tends to be a bubbly/frothy. It was suggested I only feed from one side each feed, and perhaps even to express (and keep for later of course) the first bit off so as DD would be sure to get lots of tummy-filling hind-milk. As I was tandem feeding back then I used to just get my then toddler to have a quick feed first, then latch the baby on. Not saying this is definitely your problem, but as I said, it worked for me, and anything is worth a shot when you're sleep-deprived. I have since only ever fed my children from one side per feed, and besides evening cluster-feeding and being used as a dummy on occasion, it's worked well. Also, like Grandj, I had my babies in bed with me (though I missed that window of opportunity to get them out in the early days - this has more to do with laziness than anything else for me though, and DH being away so much). I know many don't like to do this for various valid reasons, though if it's something you would ever consider, there are ways of doing it safely IMO, which I won't rabbit on about now in case you are dead-set against co-sleeping.
It's horrible to feel low/flat due to no sleep, though I think most, if not all of us have been there at some stage. Good luck, and kisses to little Victor xx

Wow, already an epic and I've hardly started! I've been reading, but have been busy getting this family daycare thing organised - so much to do. I'm still about a month or so off starting as we still have a bit of landscaping to do in the backyard first.
There was a time in my life I couldn't think of anything worse than to be looking after other peoples children while they got to go to work, but I think I must have mellowed a bit as I'm very much looking forward to it, and don't regret throwing my job in for a minute.

Just quickly want to acknowledge everyone else's news....

Babylily, your scan sounds great - and another little boy for the thread, congratulations!

Natz, excellent results for you too! FWIW I had that little voice that would add 'for now' all through my pregnancy. I almost felt like a fraud when people would ask me the usual pregnancy questions, and I would give the usual stock standard lighthearted replies, as I felt anything but lighthearted inside. As time went on though, I enjoyed the sense of normality this brought to the pregnancy, and being at work was about the only time I felt almost like a normal pregnant person. Hopefully you'll find this too xx

Grandj, did you ever find out what the risk was for Edwards? Although your results sound great to me, I can understand you feeling uneasy if certain numbers were the same as last time (such as the DS risk) - you don't of course want anything to be the same as last time, so it might be reassuring to find out the specific risk factor for Edwards? Sorry, just re-read that they don't give the numbers - that's a bit 'annoying' (for want of a better word) for you. I suppose all you can do is take heart that the values for the hormones are different. From an outsiders perspective though, they look like great results. Glad you have the scan sorted - seems to be the way to go here, and if I had my time over, is what I would've done too. Good luck xx

Manitz, speaking of which, how long until your scan? Hopefully, for your sake, not long. Ditto what others have said about the MW xx

Sunshine, not long to go for your scan - good luck to you too xx

Ghislaine, I haven't read the other thread for a while, but please don't feel you have to explain yourself. Hope to see you back here with some good news in the not too distant future though. Take care xxx

Hi to Can't, Numpty and all the other mummies. Katie, hopefully Felix got over his cold without too much upset. Drama, thanks for the pics. Isabella is just too cute, and yes, big brother does indeed look suitably proud. Catlady, hope Babycat is still zen. Horrible about the break-in. Allstars/Stars still around? Poot, Rachel, Gina, if you get a chance to read, hoping everything is cruising for you all. Kittens, as always, thinking of you, and wishing time along xx

Hi Ghislaine. I agree with the others that you have no need to explain yourself. i still read the other thread but have little time to post and if I were to post there I'd like to take my time. I hope also to see you here with good news some day soon. x

My scan is 18 April and I have a consultant appointment on 21st to discuss results. We shall see.

Hi there

DH is away this week so i've had no time to catch up on the thread :( but I did read your post Coffee about feeding and wanted to respond. DD was an all night snacker at the same age. It was exhausting. They go through about 3 or 4 growth spurts at this stage very close together which doesn't help. I coped by having DD in the bed with me and learning to feed lying down. This helped us both get a lot more sleep and got us through the tricky patch, and then when I felt more rested (once DD got to about 8 or 9 weeks) we worked on getting her sleeping in her cot and feeding at set times at night.

An 11pm bottle of formula or expressed milk may certainly help. At the very least it will mean you can have a rest and you can go to sleep knowing a good feed has been had. If you are worried about it affecting your supply you can always express before you go to bed - whether that's 9, 10 or 11pm. Doing as many night feeds as you are I really don't think you need worry about your supply dropping - you are doing lots of feeds when your prolactin levels are highest. Your HV was just giving the stock advice I think which, given you're exhausted, probably wasn't that helpful!

All well here, just busy with DH away. Lawrence feeding brilliantly now and still very chilled, so different to DD... xx

Hi Catlady and Mishtabel! Catlady, boo to DH being away. Glad Lawrence is chilled. Mishtabel, how are Bella's allergies going?

I so so agree with Grandj, Mishtabel and Catlady on co-sleeping. I have co-slept with Babycant from day 1. As well documented earlier, she is a hopeless sleeper (and maybe co-sleeping has made her even worse) but I have survived only by co-sleeping (and feeding lying down). Oh and I have failed to persuade her into her own cot for longer than about 45 mins at the start of every night, but hey-ho. Oh and I agree with Mish on the one breast per feed thing - I did that too, with both DDs until about 4 months when they seemed to need both. Otherwise their poo went green...

Cherry, you around? I'm posting to you here as the sister thread is focused on very recent loss. How many weeks are you now? when will the nuchal be? Manitz, yours is soon! Fingers crossed for very low odds (is that the right way to put it? anyway for 1 in 50000 rather than 1 in 5) and a healthy baby.

Numpty, has the potty training got sorted?
Anyone heard from Lizbeth? she was pregnant, wasnt she?

Mimsy, Kittens, hope you're okay.

Hi Cant, thanks for asking about me, I'm now 7 weeks. I'm a bit ashamed to admit I havent contacted anyone yet about being pregnant. The consultant told me at my follow up to contact either the geneticist or the fetal medicine unit as soon as I fell pregnant. I've known for 2 weeks now and each day I think I must call them but .....

I'm being a coward I know, I'm scared of setting the ball in motion and then having to face the journey ahead. I've never had a nuchal scan before (they dont do them on NHS yet here) but I was told by the consultant at my follow up that because of our circumstances we would get one on NHS here. She also told me that their miscarriage rate for CVS is 1 in 50 which is scarily high. I queried it as I'd read much better stats elsewhere but she confirmed thats the risk here. FMU is out of the question for us as we live in Scotland so I guess if I get bad results I'd have to wait for amnio and we go on holiday when I'll be 16 weeks (for 2 weeks) so would then have to wait for amnio when I'm 18+ weeks. But of course I am getting completely ahead of myself and maybe it won't come to that. It's just the odds of what happened to us before are crazy as what our baby had was so rare. The geneticist told me that getting a 1 in 13 risk for downs (on bloods alone) had nothing at all to do with what our baby had. So I dont know if any tests other than invasive will ever be able to reassure me and because of our holiday being when it is, well you can see the dilemma.

Anyway I am of course fortunate and grateful to be pregnant again, just a bit annoyed with myself for not being a bit more careful with the timing of it all. But it does feel a bit like it was meant to be. Feb was the only month we didnt really 'try' and bang BFP 2 days before my due date, completely unexpected. So, it's a gift and I can only hope that this time it will all be ok. I feel a bit more like I did when pregnant with DD which I'm taking as a good, albeit completely unscientific, sign. Can I ask those who are in early stages - has the fear subsided a bit as the pregnancy has progressed?

Coffee - I had a whole host of ongoing problems feeding which I wont go into now. Anyway I combine fed and whilst my supply did fall (though it was fairly rubbish to start with, hence problems) I still managed to continue till DD was 9 months. I also took herbs and expressed a lot to keep it going. I was also told that even one bottle of formula affected the gut. There was research done which showed that only exclusive BFing optimised healthy gut flora and any formula at all would interfere with that. BUT, good health is not just determined by one thing and I think we need to be holistic. Mums mental health and ability to enjoy the early days and bond well with the baby is also important for health and development. All babies/children are different, exclusively BF babies can still have allergies and one or two bottles of formula here or there is not going to mean the difference between a healthy baby and an unhealthy baby.

Best of luck to all those with upcoming scans and hope all new mums are enjoying these early days and babies are settling into routines.

Morn....no sorry afternoon everybody!
Coffee You are not being negative you are just knackered your a new mum it's allowed! i had a similar problem with George he just wanted to cluster feed all night but swaddling him helped me in the end Isabella likes to be swaddled too but like Victor hates the dummy she just spits them straight out again, i've been quite lucky with her she wakes at 2 and 6 like clockwork i think it's my reward for the months of sleepless nights i had with George who loves being a big brother btw he's very hands on...sometimes a little too hands on in fact but he means well bless him; he's taken to stroking her hand and saying "it's ok George is here" when she cries it's so lovely i've welled up more then once!
Did intend to do very long detailed post but i'm being summoned!...(well my boobs are anyway!)
love to all xx

Drama, I'm welling up too reading about George and Isabella, this is just so lovely...

Cherry, I also delayed going to the doctor when I found out I was pregnant. I was just asking myself what the point was, since so many things could go wrong... I can't give advice as I didn't cope very well with being pregnant again, I just got through every day. And I posted in here when I felt I couldn't cope with the anxiety anymore. Reading positive stories helped me a lot - and there are many on this thread.

With regards to planning - I can't help thinking that this is a good sign. I know this is the pot calling the kettle black, but try not to think ahead too much. You will without doubt find the best way to deal with things at the right time. All your feelings and fears are normal, just accept them (this is one of the best pieces of advice I got in here, I think it is Mishta who wrote that to me). My fear subsided after the anomaly scan, when the previous problems had been picked up, although I've been anxious all through the pregnancy. The third trimester was the best for me, it all became more real.

Thank you to all of you who shared your experiences with me, as usual it is so helpful. I co-slept as well for the last 2 days and I have to say it's been much better, I'm less tired and it is just lovely to cuddle my little Coffeebean and keep him next to me after a feed. I was afraid to do it because of all the scare stories, but it just feels right. He also seems to be feeding more when I feed him lying down (although this might be just me imagining things, as I am not watching the clock anymore). I have just decided to go with the flow and not worry about number or duration of feeds. He is happy and healthy and this is what matters most.

I am sorry I don't have a chance to acknowledge everyone's posts, but speaking of feeds... I need to go now :) Still lurking and thinking of you all. Thank you again xxxx

Cherry,
Just wanted to say your post sounded very similar to me a few months ago. We'd previously had nuchal scans in England ( which had identified our 2 babies with chromosome abnormailities) but now live in scotland and were really concerned about testing. (They will be offered to everyone in Forth valley from April/May apparently but still too late for us).
We were referred by stirling to the FMC at Southern General in Glasgow who did nuchal and blood tests (and looked at the baby's soft marker points) at 11 weeks. We got a very low risk result and chose not to go for CVS...(and the hospital did not think it at all necessary either)... If we had needed one we were reassured that they are performing CVS procedures all the time for many of the health authorities in scotland and that their miscarriage rate was 1-2% (slightly better than the average).
I had an initial mindwife appointment at 8 weeks, then saw the genetics nurse a week later (who then arranged my care at the FMC). It was a relief to be on the radar and to know what we needed was in hand...
I have verged between elation at good results to fear at what can go wrong. I kind of remember feeling like this through most of my DD2's pregnancy (she was born a year exactly after our first termination). Each milestone/stage seems like 'the one' and at the moment I'm thinking it will all be okay as soon as we get to 20 weeks (we had a private scan last weekend to help me feel more relaxed and it has actually worked as I feel pretty positive at the moment). I'm sure though, as soon as 20 wk scan is out of the way I'll be waiting desperately to get to viability stage...I guess the worry won't really go away until the day I have my healthy baby in my arms.
Good luck with the next step...let us know how you get on.xx

Hello,
Just wanted to pop in to say I have been trying to keep up to date with everyones news, but have been having problems with my server so lots of trouble posting messages!

Coffee and Drama, lovely to hear from you, hopefully you will both be blessed with a decent nights sleep soon..! Although Drama, sounds like you wont be far off that with Isabella's sleep routine. Coffee, I would ignore your HV and do what you feel is best, mums know their babies better than anyone! I breastfed for 6 months with DD1 and had nightmares trying to ween her onto the bottle, so corrected that mistake with DD2 and gave her a formula bottle every day or other day and had no problem switching off the boobie feeds. Also meant DP could help out whilst I had a bath/played with DD1. 4oz was enough and it helped later down the line!

Cherry, I hope you are ok, I know the pregnancy was a bit of a surprise for you. I will be 15 weeks tomorrow, and it is only now that I am begining to accept that I will be having a baby. Im not sure the fear that something could go wrong has completely gone, to be honest I dont think that fear will go until the paediatrician has checked baby over and given him/her the all clear to go home.

Ghislaine, good luck with the IUI this week. Please dont worry about 'not talking' on this thread. Still think of you, and Peanut, and hope that things will be moving in your favour soon xx

Sorry for short post and so few personals, eyes are dropping and bed is calling. Will post again soon xxx

Thanks everyone for your kind words. I thought of you all as I was being 'insperminated' (as we say in our house) yesterday. That was probably highly inappropriate - I probably should have been thinking of mr ghislaine instead, but I'm not entirely convinced that he was thinking of me when doing the necessaries a few hours earlier!

Loving wishes to all and hopes for good news, no matter what stage you find yourself at.

thats a couple of images i didn't need at lunch time . fingers and toes crossed for you ghislaine xx

Good luck Ghislaine, fingers crossed. xx

Good luck Ghislaine.... really hope this works for you both...