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To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.

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Finnyfanjango · 03/03/2023 11:47

I’m interested to hear the thoughts and reactions of others as to me given her cognitive issues and the fact she is partially blind, it just seems like such a sad accident, I can’t see why she was jailed.
I think what she did was awful, but it surely just highlights the lack of appropriate social care she clearly needed?

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OneTC · 03/03/2023 19:10

SeaWitchly · 03/03/2023 19:08

She should not be jailed. Cyclists should not be on the footpath imo. The footpath they were on was too narrow to be a shared space. The woman gesticulated, she did not push the cyclist into the road. Tragic accident, not manslaughter imho.

You can't just kill someone because you think they're in the wrong

SamanthaCaine · 03/03/2023 19:15

JarByTheDoor · 03/03/2023 18:25

Yes, if you like.

Good job she wasn't wearing a short skirt. She'd be proper asking for it then 🙄

SamanthaCaine · 03/03/2023 19:16

OneTC · 03/03/2023 19:10

You can't just kill someone because you think they're in the wrong

Seemingly you can on the internet.

JarByTheDoor · 03/03/2023 19:20

SamanthaCaine · 03/03/2023 19:15

Good job she wasn't wearing a short skirt. She'd be proper asking for it then 🙄

Yes, because that's exactly the same, isn't it?

SamanthaCaine · 03/03/2023 19:24

JarByTheDoor · 03/03/2023 19:20

Yes, because that's exactly the same, isn't it?

What, as victim blaming. Yes, exactly the same when you're saying things like, "people have to take some responsibility".

Moonicorn · 03/03/2023 19:26

Rhondaa · 03/03/2023 18:30

I just cannot understand how the judge decided her actions could not be caused by her disability. She reportedly is childlike with cognitive problems and is partially sighted. How can these not be mitigating factors? These conditions would have provided a lifetime of challenges. At the very least I'd imagine she would be anxious about a bike travelling toward her on the pavement. The cyclist should've just controlled the bike, braked and stopped.

A tragic accident and sympathies with the family of the cyclist but 3 years in prison for AG is utterly ridiculous. I hope any appeal is successful and she gets a suspended sentence.

Because she doesn’t have a disability. The judge said she has no learning difficulties or relevant mental problems.

Why is this so hard to understand?

I suppose we reached the point where an unsubstantiated mention of ‘mental health’ lets you off the hook for virtually anything quite a while ago 🤷🏼‍♀️

OneTC · 03/03/2023 19:27

JarByTheDoor · 03/03/2023 19:20

Yes, because that's exactly the same, isn't it?

Yeah it's the same concept, own it

JarByTheDoor · 03/03/2023 19:28

SamanthaCaine · 03/03/2023 19:24

What, as victim blaming. Yes, exactly the same when you're saying things like, "people have to take some responsibility".

Mmhmmm. Yep. Completely comparable situations.

OneTC · 03/03/2023 19:29

Are those saying that we should make further allowance questioning her capacity?

If you plea of lack of capacity you probably don't get to go home either btw, you probably just go to secure unit because your defense is literally I cannot be trusted to not do this again

bonjello · 03/03/2023 19:29

Oh god are people still victim blaming the poor cyclist?!

OneTC · 03/03/2023 19:30

JarByTheDoor · 03/03/2023 19:28

Mmhmmm. Yep. Completely comparable situations.

How is blaming the victim of a crime not like blaming the victim of a crime?

JarByTheDoor · 03/03/2023 19:32

OneTC · 03/03/2023 19:30

How is blaming the victim of a crime not like blaming the victim of a crime?

As I said, you're right, all situations are exactly alike.

SamanthaCaine · 03/03/2023 19:33

JarByTheDoor · 03/03/2023 19:28

Mmhmmm. Yep. Completely comparable situations.

Hard of thinking obviously. It's Friday and I'm about to have dinner so can't be bothered to get the crayons out to explain.

But @OneTC has nailed it.

OneTC · 03/03/2023 19:34

JarByTheDoor · 03/03/2023 19:32

As I said, you're right, all situations are exactly alike.

Stop digging then 👍

SquanderedAgain · 03/03/2023 19:35

ChunkaMunkaBoomBoom · 03/03/2023 12:48

‘Is this the lady who pushed the cyclist onto the road and cyclist died?’

she didn’t push anyone. She waved her arm and y swore at a cyclist for riding towards her on a footpath. She’s disabled, partially sighted too. She needed a better lawyer if the one she had has allowed her to go to jail
over this, tragic though it is

If it was an innocent mistake from a poor disabled woman, she'd probably show some remorse and regret for her actions and not just flounce off to go shopping as an elderly lady is dying in the road

OneTC · 03/03/2023 19:35

People defending a fucking convicted killer because the other person is a cyclist

JarByTheDoor · 03/03/2023 19:36

OneTC · 03/03/2023 19:34

Stop digging then 👍

Digging what?

AlwaysGinPlease · 03/03/2023 19:36

OneTC · 03/03/2023 19:35

People defending a fucking convicted killer because the other person is a cyclist

Nail on head

OneTC · 03/03/2023 19:39

JarByTheDoor · 03/03/2023 19:36

Digging what?

Jesus Fucking Christ

BadNomad · 03/03/2023 19:39

Disabled people can be arseholes too.

Rhondaa · 03/03/2023 19:40

AlwaysGinPlease · 03/03/2023 19:36

Nail on head

Not defending 'a fucking convicted killer', rather suggesting the 3 year prison sentence is excessive for what what a tragic accident.

She shouldn't have shouted and gesticulated, the cyclist should've controlled and stopped the bike.

SeaWitchly · 03/03/2023 19:41

OneTC · 03/03/2023 19:10

You can't just kill someone because you think they're in the wrong

Oh, did I misunderstand the circumstances of this case? Did the pedestrian push the cyclist into the road?

Rhondaa · 03/03/2023 19:43

BadNomad · 03/03/2023 19:39

Disabled people can be arseholes too.

Course they can be but again it is understandable imo that a partially sighted person may be alarmed and gesticulate to a cyclist on the pavement heading their way.

OneTC · 03/03/2023 19:45

SeaWitchly · 03/03/2023 19:41

Oh, did I misunderstand the circumstances of this case? Did the pedestrian push the cyclist into the road?

She behaved in a way that meet the standard for common assault and this incident occasioned her death.

You don't need to touch someone to assault them

Walkaround · 03/03/2023 19:45

I hope this case makes Local Authorities reconsider where and how they expect cyclists and pedestrians to share spaces. It states clearly in the Highway Code that cyclists MUST NOT cycle on the pavement (rule 64), so why Councils are wilfully taking obvious pavements and redesignating them as shared spaces, I don’t know. There is far too great a speed differential between pedestrians and cyclists for it to make sense to force them so close together, especially when cyclists often seem to adopt a similar mentality to car drivers when it comes to slower road or pavement users - that they too might be walking if they had the time, but clearly their journey is more important if they have opted for a faster mode of transport, so they resent having to slow down or get off their bike to push it for a bit.

Too many cyclists would cycle fast and very close to the pedestrian and/or far too close to the edge of the pavement than slow down. Tbh, I’m surprised nasty accidents don’t happen more often - there a certainly fairly regular near misses and people being accidentally clipped, which can be alarming and upsetting. Some cyclists are, frankly, piss poor at cycling and don’t want to slow down or get off because they will start to wobble if they do so and then find it hard to get going again. You don’t even have to take a cycling proficiency test to start inflicting yourself on other members of the public. So, whilst this is a tragic case and the pedestrian was aggressive, may have physically hit the cyclist and callously walked away from the scene of the accident, I have some sympathy with the sentiment that the pavement in question should not have been a shared space.

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