To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.

Life imprisonment for both at maximum tariff

Went wrong somewhere

I think her being in prison is like if someone threw a bottle at you, you batted it away, the bottle smashed and so you got done for criminal damage. It's not on.

Every week I'd see cases from 2020 which were thrown out by the judge because of the time lapse. These were very violent offences. It's because of the Covid court backlog of cases. We see men commit murders, rapes etc while out on bail. I'd like to know the reasoning behind bail not being given, as well as the prison sentence. This woman has got more of a sentence than some drivers have got who've killed children. This was one shocking.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lorry-driver-jailed-death-toddler-jaiden-mangan-crossing-wareham-dorset-a8888306.html%3famp

This woman, who does have cognitive issues as well as physical disabilities will lose her adapted home and all of her possessions, although I hope someone does a go fund me for storage because she has no family or friends her stuff will be cleared by the council. I don't see how it's in the public's interest to imprison her. She's very vulnerable and it will cost a fortune to keep her safe in prison. There was a serial sex offender who was spared prison because of his disabilities. Pensioners who know that they shouldn't be driving and kill often get spared prison. The pre sentencing reports regarding the extent of her disabilities were disregarded. Here's another example.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-who-fatally-pushed-woman-28175943.amp
Our judges aren't infallible and this one seems overly harsh.

The comments that the jury clearly knows best are puzzling. They don't always. A current high profile potential parole case shows a jury found someone guilty of manslaughter not murder, despite the man purchasing a claw hammer and digging a grave a few days before. Not sure how much more evidence of intent they'd need.

In this case, imo, it was a tragic accident. The woman shouted and gesticulated, the other woman lost control of the bike and sadly was killed after falling in the path of a car.The sentence seems excessive.

Haven’t read the other threads on this. Not condoning bad language or aggressive gesticulation…. And it is very sad that an elderly cyclist died.

However, if I were walking along a pavement and a bike came hurtling towards me at speed without stopping or adjusting their route. I’d probably swear and throw my arms around a bit too. What was the alternative here that Ms grey throw herself into the traffic instead to get out the way of the bike?

There seems to have been several seconds to put on the brakes from when they caught sight of each other. Perhaps there is other footage, but being rude and making contact with somebody because they continue to fly towards you at speed doesn’t seem to constitute a jail-able offence to me… admittedly if Aoriol hadn’t been there at that precise moment it wouldn’t have happened, but it is a public footpath, she’d every right to be there.

Any shared use path I’ve been on the cyclists move a substantial distance round or in paths 2m or so they stop until you have passed… not victim blaming but it looks like an elderly woman who couldn’t manoeuvre the bike quickly to stop or change course. No way should she have been cycling so close to a pedestrian.

I have stopped walking along my local canal because of the number of twats who thing cycling long it is a good idea. Dont mind the people who are riding responsibly, although it can be hard to get out of their way - narrow path, means am standing in nettles a lot of the time. But there are an increasing number of people going full tilt, which is really unsafe. Never pushed any of them in the water, though.

Where are people getting that the 77 year old was flying along on her 20" shopper bike

'However, if I were walking along a pavement and a bike came hurtling towards me at speed without stopping or adjusting their route'

Yes unless a designated cycle path surely cyclists should dismount on narrow parts?

Im sorry for the family of the woman who was killed by the car but I really don't think what a 3yr custodial sentence was appropriate here.

Because there is no cycling equivalent of "Causing Death by Dangerous Driving". Cyclists can still be charged with murder, manslaughter or GBH like the pedestrian.

FWIW there were 132 convictions for causing death whilst driving in 2021/22 compared to the 5 deaths in a year listed above. The number of deaths caused by drivers is significantly higher though since there were also 658 convictions for causing death or serious injury.

Cyclists aren't the problem on our roads.

Grey thought she was in the right and so decided to take action against the person who she believed was in the wrong. This action resulted in a death. That is what manslaughter is. It doesn't matter if the cyclist should have been on the footpath or the road. Grey did not act in self-defence, she acted out of anger and entitlement.

@Atethehalloweenchocs

Seen a mother and pram be thrown off balance into water because of a cyclist along a canal. We walk along regularly, most cyclists are decent and will ring their bell to give you time to move, they adjust their route or they stop.

From the video, it looks like there was compromise from neither of the women involved to move out the way of the other. Possibly for Aoriol quick movement might not have been possible or could have been painful. And for the cyclist perhaps age and other health issues were a factor. Or perhaps they were both stubborn. Who knows. Very sad. But the sentence really seems disproportionate, for anyone, never mind a vulnerable person.

Their fevered imaginations.

However, if I were walking along a pavement and a bike came hurtling towards me at speed without stopping or adjusting their route. I’d probably swear and throw my arms around a bit too.

Who was hurtling? You can see the (very slow) speed at which Celia's bike enters the frame and you can see the straight path she's taking past Auriol.

Because a lot of people seem to think that any wrongful act (especially committed by someone who isn’t a sympathetic character) that causes death = murder. Some seem to believe the distinction between murder and manslaughter is about how distressing a death is, while other appear to view manslaughter as a way of letting people off the hook.

You see it time and time again.

@BishopRock From watching the video. From the point Aoriol starts gesticulating, when the bike is just out of shot, to when it essentially almost collides with Aoriol and swerves onto the road - it’s a short amount of time, indicating relatively fast speed.

I actually think the sentence was justified, despite supposed vulnerabilities of the woman who was jailed. If you allow people to get away with things like this without a suitable sentence it's almost like giving people carte blanche to attack cyclists without fear of anything happen. I have been harrassed on my bike aggressively in the past many times and it has nearly caused me a serious accident more than once. These cyclist haters can be really nasty and dangerous.

She “ made contact “ The video shows a sudden Lurch to the left where cyclist has been shoved.

It’s not uncommon for a road death or manslaughter case to take 18 months to be dealt with in court. It’s not comparable with a death by dangerous driving because the charge is manslaughter and they have different sentencing guidelines. The pre sentencing reports would have been taken into consideration those documents are not disregarded. I believe that her actions were not justified in any way and to leave the scene knowing that the cyclist had been hit by a car and going grocery shopping is disgusting and unforgivable but if I’m completely honest I expected a suspended sentence.

Shove from the Left

I don't get why people keep saying she didn't touch her when she even admitted she did.

Read the victim statement by the driver of the car. She has been dreadfully affected by the accident, says her marriage has broken up due to the stress, affected her relationship with her children etc. Horrendous.

It’s more like you batted it away and it hit someone in the face and killed them, when it wasn’t certain the bottle was going to hit you in the first place

She said their may have been some light contact. That's not the same as "I gave her a walking great shove" or even "I touched her". It could mean "my arm was extended and she clipped it with her handlebars". We don't know.

Did none of those saying she "pushed" the cyclist watch the video that's available in every online newspaper? She didn't push her. She waved her arms telling her to get off the pavement.

I absolutely have see it and that's where I'm getting it from. She waves and shouts. Then she hesitates until the cyclist comes alongside her, you see her arm come up and out (you can see her hand against her coat), her weight shifts forwards, and her arm then comes back in at precisely the place it would do had it just been on Celia Ward's shoulder, just as Celia's bike shoots off at the correct trajectory for someone that has just been pushed on the back of the shoulder. It's plain as day to me.