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To be disgusted at the petty minded cruelty of Robert Jenrick?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 04/07/2023 14:53

Who told workers at an immigration centre to paint over colourful artwork of cartoon characters in an immigration centre accepting children because it was too "welcoming".

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23631952.robert-jenrick-tory-urged-painting-art-asylum-centre-kids/

Tory minister told staff to paint over art for asylum centre kids, charity boss says

A CHARITY boss has claimed that Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick told staff at an asylum reception centre to paint over wall art meant to be…

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23631952.robert-jenrick-tory-urged-painting-art-asylum-centre-kids

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SherbetDips · 08/07/2023 11:03

But they’re not welcome! They came over illegally in boats and we can’t accept every Tom dick and Harry that wants to come here. These places are supposed to be a deterrent not a welcome. And before anyone starts at me I’m not going to reply so don’t bother.

ToWhitToWhoo · 08/07/2023 11:04

SherbetDips · 08/07/2023 11:03

But they’re not welcome! They came over illegally in boats and we can’t accept every Tom dick and Harry that wants to come here. These places are supposed to be a deterrent not a welcome. And before anyone starts at me I’m not going to reply so don’t bother.

These are CHILDREN!!!!

And asylum seekers are not 'every Tom, Dick and Harry'.

RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer · 08/07/2023 11:06

And before anyone starts at me I’m not going to reply so don’t bother

absolutely got the courage of your convictions there 😀

Iwantmyoldnameback · 08/07/2023 11:09

SherbetDips · 08/07/2023 11:03

But they’re not welcome! They came over illegally in boats and we can’t accept every Tom dick and Harry that wants to come here. These places are supposed to be a deterrent not a welcome. And before anyone starts at me I’m not going to reply so don’t bother.

How do they get here legally? I know you won't answer because like so many uninformed people you don't know that there aren't any.

DuncinToffee · 08/07/2023 11:10

SherbetDips · 08/07/2023 11:03

But they’re not welcome! They came over illegally in boats and we can’t accept every Tom dick and Harry that wants to come here. These places are supposed to be a deterrent not a welcome. And before anyone starts at me I’m not going to reply so don’t bother.

As the majority of boat arrivals get granted asylum, we very much can accept and welcome them

cakeorwine · 08/07/2023 11:12

From what I've read - the centre is used MAINLY for unaccompanied child migrants

The picture comes from this Government report

Report on an unannounced inspection of short-term holding facilities at Western Jet Foil, Manston and Kent Intake Unit, by HM Chief Inspector of Prisons 30 January - 17 February 2023 (justiceinspectorates.gov.uk)

However - the caption reads smaller FAMILY holding room.

"It is mainly for unaccompanied children who arrive at the coast to be supervised, identified, interviewed and issued with immigration papers.
Paintings of Mickey and Minnie Mouse, as well as Tom and Jerry, previously adorned the walls of a smaller detention room at the centre"

You can get a job there

  • Have a strong sense of personal ethics and honesty
  • Enjoy engaging with a variety of people from all backgrounds
  • Can calmly handle difficult and challenging situations
  • Are passionate about creating an inclusive environment for colleagues to thrive in

We’re recruiting Immigration Officers - Home Office Careers

We’re recruiting Immigration Officers - Home Office Careers

We’re recruiting 100 Immigration Officers to work in our National Asylum Intake Unit (NAIU) in Kent. The Home Office works to build a safe, fair and prosperous UK. We achieve this through our work on counter-terrorism, policing, fire, crime, drugs poli...

https://careers.homeoffice.gov.uk/news/naiu-mar23

DuncinToffee · 08/07/2023 11:13

Clavinova · 08/07/2023 11:10

Notonthestairs
The majority are aged between 14 and 17 years of age

And yet I am seeing these characters everywhere today;
https://news.sky.com/story/evil-home-office-paints-over-mickey-mouse-mural-at-child-asylum-seeker-centre-12916543

So your issue is that the pictures used are more suitable for younger children.

You agree with Jenrick that they should have been removed?

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:15

Iwantmyoldnameback · 08/07/2023 11:09

How do they get here legally? I know you won't answer because like so many uninformed people you don't know that there aren't any.

You are mistaken.

We already have country-specific routes in place.

Between 2015 and 2022, we have offered places to almost half a million (481,804) people seeking safety. This includes:

  • 44,659 family reunion grants since 2015
  • 233,770 people under Ukraine Scheme visas, of which at least 154,500 have arrived in the UK
  • 153,708 BN(O) status holders and their family members, of which 105,200 have arrived in the UK
  • 49,667 vulnerable people and children as part of Afghan resettlement and relocation, the Syrian Resettlement programme and other resettlement programmes (e.g. UK Resettlement scheme, which has resettled 2,023 since its launch in 2021)
The UK is one of the largest recipients of UNHCR referred refugees globally, second only to Sweden in Europe since 2015.

The top nationalities on resettlement routes from 2015 to 2022 include people from Syria, Iraq, Sudan and Somalia.
The top nationalities who have come to the UK through the Family Reunion route from 2015 to 2022 include people from Syria, Eritrea, Iran, Sudan and Pakistan.

There is also an agreement in place with Hong Kong.

Please stop spreading ill-informed, inflammatory, emotive misinformation.

IClaudine · 08/07/2023 11:16

SherbetDips · 08/07/2023 11:03

But they’re not welcome! They came over illegally in boats and we can’t accept every Tom dick and Harry that wants to come here. These places are supposed to be a deterrent not a welcome. And before anyone starts at me I’m not going to reply so don’t bother.

Get your facts right @SherbetDips

It is not illegal for people to come here in small boats. They are only acting illegally if they don't claim asylum on arrival, or if they remain in the UK after their claim has been rejected (and most will have their claim accepted).

cakeorwine · 08/07/2023 11:17

The picture and a report on the KIU and Manston are here

Report on an unannounced inspection of short-term holding facilities at Western Jet Foil, Manston and Kent Intake Unit, by HM Chief Inspector of Prisons 30 January - 17 February 2023 (justiceinspectorates.gov.uk)

Page 21

At Kent Intake Unit (KIU) detainees were held in two rooms, one holding up to 85 detainees and a family room for 34. The unit was newly built and rooms were in good condition, warm and brightly lit, although there were no windows. The rooms contained soft chairs and fixed tables with seating, televisions and information screens. Pillows, blankets and thin mattresses were available, but the arrangements for cleaning bedding after use were inadequate

The range of toys for young children was too limited and there was little reading material. Some activities such as Jenga and dominoes were readily available and well used by detainees. Newspapers and a range of magazines were also available but were unlikely to have been of interest to young detainees. A small outdoor area with picnic benches was not in use at the time of our inspection. There was a small prayer room off the main holding room.

The rooms were reasonably clean but became less so during the day as there was no cleaner on duty and no cleaning schedule. The toilets were unacceptably dirty and the toilet for people with disabilities lacked safety rails. The three showers had been out of use since the building opened at the beginning of December 2022, but were repaired during our inspection. There was a good stock of clothing for detainees and their property was stored safely

In fact the whole section on Respect is damning

At Western Jet Foil

At the time of our inspection, the waiting areas had enough wooden benches, but this would not be the case at busier times. Women and families were seated separately from men at all times. The arrival marquee and the main building were clean, adequately heated and ventilated and provided a reasonable environment for the time that detainees were held. The areas used for interviews and searches lacked privacy. There were clean toilet facilities in both areas, but those in the main building did not have lids or seats. Female sanitary products were not available in all areas: women had to ask staff for them, which was not appropriate. There were baby-changing facilities but no private spaces for women to breastfeed their children

Look at page 25 of that report and you can see a picture at Manston. Will that be next?

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2023/06/WJF-Manston-and-KIU-web-2023.pdf

RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer · 08/07/2023 11:18

DuncinToffee · 08/07/2023 11:13

So your issue is that the pictures used are more suitable for younger children.

You agree with Jenrick that they should have been removed?

Or do you think they should have been painted with more age appropriate things

or generic maybe, that might be nice…london eye, postbox, scenes from around britain

cakeorwine · 08/07/2023 11:19

I really think people should read that report - especially the person who doesn't think the picture is real @Eveninginparis

DuncinToffee · 08/07/2023 11:19

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:15

You are mistaken.

We already have country-specific routes in place.

Between 2015 and 2022, we have offered places to almost half a million (481,804) people seeking safety. This includes:

  • 44,659 family reunion grants since 2015
  • 233,770 people under Ukraine Scheme visas, of which at least 154,500 have arrived in the UK
  • 153,708 BN(O) status holders and their family members, of which 105,200 have arrived in the UK
  • 49,667 vulnerable people and children as part of Afghan resettlement and relocation, the Syrian Resettlement programme and other resettlement programmes (e.g. UK Resettlement scheme, which has resettled 2,023 since its launch in 2021)
The UK is one of the largest recipients of UNHCR referred refugees globally, second only to Sweden in Europe since 2015.

The top nationalities on resettlement routes from 2015 to 2022 include people from Syria, Iraq, Sudan and Somalia.
The top nationalities who have come to the UK through the Family Reunion route from 2015 to 2022 include people from Syria, Eritrea, Iran, Sudan and Pakistan.

There is also an agreement in place with Hong Kong.

Please stop spreading ill-informed, inflammatory, emotive misinformation.

Please tell us how an Iranian woman can claim asylum in Britain

cakeorwine · 08/07/2023 11:23

Is this next to go?

To be disgusted at the petty minded cruelty of Robert Jenrick?
Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:31

@DuncinToffee Please tell us how an Iranian woman can claim asylum in Britain

In reality, an incredibly small proportion of displaced people from Iran claim asylum in the UK each year. In 2018, 500 people attempted to cross the channel in small vessels. So far in 2019, this figure stands at just over 130.

They prefer to go to Turkey which is Shia Muslim. Only 5% of Muslims in UK are Shia.

Millicentmargaretamandaholden · 08/07/2023 11:31

I was really wondering who on earth could defend this spite. There is something missing in your humanity if you would think taking away any comfort from a frightened, disoriented and traumatised child is okay. And something far worse if you have stopped seeing them as children because they are seeking asylum.

So over to mumsnet I find out who is defending the indefensible. Take your pick from conspiracy theorists, “child development experts” who know better than the actual child development practitioners and “art critics”.

Antoninus · 08/07/2023 11:33

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 10:39

What I'd like to know is, "where is the outcry from the original artist that did these murals?

If I'd spent hours doing artwork and then someone decided it should be painted over I'd be as mad as your a*.

So far there is a stony silence.🤔

The staff did them

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:35

Antoninus · 08/07/2023 11:33

The staff did them

And your information comes from ??

If that is true then I think the staff have too much time on their hands. How is it they have time to do artwork instead of looking after vulnerable, traumatised children?

cakeorwine · 08/07/2023 11:37

@Eveninginparis

Do you believe that the picture in the press is the picture of the smaller family holding room at the Kent Intake Unit taken from the Inspectorate report?

Or do you think it's fake?

"This is assuming they were ever there in the first place 🤔

"That could be anywhere.

Looks like a children hospital unit to me."

"That doesn't prove the location of the images.

Do you believe everything you see in the press?"

"I have a right to an opinion."

Another John Finnemore one - on the right to an opinion

John Finnemore - RNLI scam

Talk Radio, English style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKWQ-iHDRJY

Antoninus · 08/07/2023 11:38

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Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:39

cakeorwine · 08/07/2023 11:12

From what I've read - the centre is used MAINLY for unaccompanied child migrants

The picture comes from this Government report

Report on an unannounced inspection of short-term holding facilities at Western Jet Foil, Manston and Kent Intake Unit, by HM Chief Inspector of Prisons 30 January - 17 February 2023 (justiceinspectorates.gov.uk)

However - the caption reads smaller FAMILY holding room.

"It is mainly for unaccompanied children who arrive at the coast to be supervised, identified, interviewed and issued with immigration papers.
Paintings of Mickey and Minnie Mouse, as well as Tom and Jerry, previously adorned the walls of a smaller detention room at the centre"

You can get a job there

  • Have a strong sense of personal ethics and honesty
  • Enjoy engaging with a variety of people from all backgrounds
  • Can calmly handle difficult and challenging situations
  • Are passionate about creating an inclusive environment for colleagues to thrive in

We’re recruiting Immigration Officers - Home Office Careers

Where does it say they need to be able to create murals ?

cakeorwine · 08/07/2023 11:39

Why don't they just get rid of the toys, Jenga, dominoes at these centres?

I am sure that there are plenty of ways to make the centres feel less welcoming - whiteboard suggestions welcome....

IClaudine · 08/07/2023 11:41

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:31

@DuncinToffee Please tell us how an Iranian woman can claim asylum in Britain

In reality, an incredibly small proportion of displaced people from Iran claim asylum in the UK each year. In 2018, 500 people attempted to cross the channel in small vessels. So far in 2019, this figure stands at just over 130.

They prefer to go to Turkey which is Shia Muslim. Only 5% of Muslims in UK are Shia.

So far in 2019, this figure stands at just over 130

But we are in 2023? Where are you copying and pasting your info from @Eveninginparis ?