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To be disgusted at the petty minded cruelty of Robert Jenrick?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 04/07/2023 14:53

Who told workers at an immigration centre to paint over colourful artwork of cartoon characters in an immigration centre accepting children because it was too "welcoming".

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23631952.robert-jenrick-tory-urged-painting-art-asylum-centre-kids/

Tory minister told staff to paint over art for asylum centre kids, charity boss says

A CHARITY boss has claimed that Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick told staff at an asylum reception centre to paint over wall art meant to be…

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23631952.robert-jenrick-tory-urged-painting-art-asylum-centre-kids

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Clavinova · 08/07/2023 11:41

cakeorwine
This is the picture of the smaller holding family room at KIU

Perhaps Stephen Kinnock (Labour's shadow immigration minister) should book a visit - he is quoted in one of the links as saying the murals are for 'unaccompanied children in immigration centres'. The BBC report doesn't mention anything about families either.

IClaudine · 08/07/2023 11:42

cakeorwine · 08/07/2023 11:39

Why don't they just get rid of the toys, Jenga, dominoes at these centres?

I am sure that there are plenty of ways to make the centres feel less welcoming - whiteboard suggestions welcome....

Maybe some larger than life murals of Braverman?

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:42

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How do you know they didn’t do it in their spare time ?

After completing 12 hour shifts? Really?

cakeorwine · 08/07/2023 11:43

That documentary on the Evacuation has got me thinking. The young soldiers were witnessing at first hand the desparation of people fleeing. Being there, talking to them via translators and listening to the stories and seeing the people. Seeing them as real humans in front of them.

I wonder how much actually working in these centres, working with the people coming over, listening to their stories, actually helps people see past the rhetoric.

Antoninus · 08/07/2023 11:43

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DuncinToffee · 08/07/2023 11:43

If that is true then I think the staff have too much time on their hands. How is it they have time to do artwork instead of looking after vulnerable, traumatised children?

But the time spent on painting over the murals is a good use of time?

cakeorwine · 08/07/2023 11:44

Clavinova · 08/07/2023 11:41

cakeorwine
This is the picture of the smaller holding family room at KIU

Perhaps Stephen Kinnock (Labour's shadow immigration minister) should book a visit - he is quoted in one of the links as saying the murals are for 'unaccompanied children in immigration centres'. The BBC report doesn't mention anything about families either.

Maybe you should read the report.

A link is available

Report on an unannounced inspection of short-term holding facilities at Western Jet Foil, Manston and Kent Intake Unit, by HM Chief Inspector of Prisons 30 January - 17 February 2023 (justiceinspectorates.gov.uk)

It's on page 21

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2023/06/WJF-Manston-and-KIU-web-2023.pdf

DuncinToffee · 08/07/2023 11:46

Clavinova · 08/07/2023 11:41

cakeorwine
This is the picture of the smaller holding family room at KIU

Perhaps Stephen Kinnock (Labour's shadow immigration minister) should book a visit - he is quoted in one of the links as saying the murals are for 'unaccompanied children in immigration centres'. The BBC report doesn't mention anything about families either.

Do you agree with the removal of the murals?

Blossomtoes · 08/07/2023 11:46

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:35

And your information comes from ??

If that is true then I think the staff have too much time on their hands. How is it they have time to do artwork instead of looking after vulnerable, traumatised children?

Maybe they did them in their own time.

HRTQueen · 08/07/2023 11:47

even the comments on the DM site are mainly of disgust

what a spiteful cold hearted man Jenrick is

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:50

@HRTQueen even the comments on the DM site are mainly of disgust

That's interesting when usually MN posters are pillorying the DM as a rubbish paper?

I wonder what's caused the changed of heart?

cakeorwine · 08/07/2023 11:51

This is from the report:

"At Kent Intake Unit (KIU) detainees were held in two rooms, one holding up to 85 detainees and a family room for 34. The unit was newly built and rooms were in good condition, warm and brightly lit, although there were no windows. The rooms contained soft chairs and fixed tables with seating, televisions and information screens. Pillows, blankets and thin mattresses were available, but the arrangements for cleaning bedding after use were inadequate. "

It also says at the start:

These facilities primarily hold migrants who had arrived from France on small boats after undertaking sea crossings of the Channel. Western Jet Foil functions as an initial point of entry where people undergo initial health checks and are given an opportunity to change out of wet clothes. Manston is a shortterm holding facility where immigration documents are issued and some detainees start the asylum screening process. The Kent Intake Unit is mainly used for unaccompanied children who arrive at the coast to be supervised, identified, interviewed and issued with immigration documents.

Unaccompanied children were transferred in small groups to the Kent Intake Unit (KIU), where they received an induction interview by Mitie Care & Custody staff. The induction was sometimes not detailed or documented enough when numbers were high. After induction, children were put in a holding room, often with unrelated adults (see paragraph 2.40) where they had access to toiletries, food and drink. They had been unable to shower until the week of our inspection when the facilities were repaired and brought into service.

So there are 2 rooms at KIU - including the smaller family room. It seems that KIU is mainly used for unaccompanied children - so it's unclear why it's called a family room

Report on an unannounced inspection of short-term holding facilities at Western Jet Foil, Manston and Kent Intake Unit, by HM Chief Inspector of Prisons 30 January - 17 February 2023 (justiceinspectorates.gov.uk)

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmiprisons/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2023/06/WJF-Manston-and-KIU-web-2023.pdf

cakeorwine · 08/07/2023 11:53

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:50

@HRTQueen even the comments on the DM site are mainly of disgust

That's interesting when usually MN posters are pillorying the DM as a rubbish paper?

I wonder what's caused the changed of heart?

Do you believe that the picture is real?
And do you think that the one at Manston is ok or is this too scary?

To be disgusted at the petty minded cruelty of Robert Jenrick?
To be disgusted at the petty minded cruelty of Robert Jenrick?
Blossomtoes · 08/07/2023 11:55

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:50

@HRTQueen even the comments on the DM site are mainly of disgust

That's interesting when usually MN posters are pillorying the DM as a rubbish paper?

I wonder what's caused the changed of heart?

There hasn’t been a change of heart. When even the most rabid, right wing section of our society turns its back on one of its own, it’s a pretty clear indication they’ve gone too far. When you’ve lost the support of your own side you’re fucked.

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:56

cakeorwine · 08/07/2023 11:53

Do you believe that the picture is real?
And do you think that the one at Manston is ok or is this too scary?

Why does it matter what I think?

Really?

Blossomtoes · 08/07/2023 11:57

If it doesn’t matter what you think why are you here?

Cornettoninja · 08/07/2023 11:57

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:56

Why does it matter what I think?

Really?

It’s a discussion forum. How do you usually have a discussion?

Notonthestairs · 08/07/2023 11:58

Because you are the one suggesting it's fake news.

IClaudine · 08/07/2023 11:59

Immigration is all the Tories have left now. They will fight the GE on it. It is going to be very ugly and on MN there will be some awful posters crawling out from the cesspit.

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 12:00

Blossomtoes · 08/07/2023 11:57

If it doesn’t matter what you think why are you here?

Because I have a right to an opinion like anyone else.

IClaudine · 08/07/2023 12:00

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:56

Why does it matter what I think?

Really?

Well you have taken up plenty of space on this thread telling us what you think. How odd.

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 12:00

Cornettoninja · 08/07/2023 11:57

It’s a discussion forum. How do you usually have a discussion?

Not by hurling insults for a start.

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 12:02

IClaudine · 08/07/2023 12:00

Well you have taken up plenty of space on this thread telling us what you think. How odd.

I've been responding to queries.

If that doesn't suit you then you can stay in your own echo-chamber.

Blossomtoes · 08/07/2023 12:02

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 12:00

Not by hurling insults for a start.

Where are the insults?

cakeorwine · 08/07/2023 12:06

Eveninginparis · 08/07/2023 11:56

Why does it matter what I think?

Really?

Your previous posts suggested that this picture might not be the picture of the mural from KIU.

I take it you believe it is the actual picture of the mural.

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