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This honestly made me feel sick 🤢. How can this be legal. [warning: contains details of child abuse]

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Thiscannotbetrue · 14/02/2023 21:03

Violent trans pedophile moved to female prison with mother-baby unit mol.im/a/11750379 via dailym.ai/android

Yes it's a daily mail add but seriously. 😭

[Title edited by MNHQ to include content warning]

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littlbrowndog · 14/02/2023 21:54

The sort of man who would rape a 3 month old baby needs not to be anyway near women and children in prison

don’t care if his dick had been cut off. Still a violent sex offender

PriOn1 · 14/02/2023 21:55

Lockheart · 14/02/2023 21:51

I agree, I'm trying to guess why he might have been moved.

He’s been moved because those in charge don’t see women prisoners as human beings worthy of consideration.

He’s been moved because an insidious ideology has been spread under the radar, so we are now in the ludicrous position where men in women’s prisons has been normalised by those in charge.

Stepuptowardsinfinity · 14/02/2023 21:57

Good to see the daily mail using male pronouns for this monster. I don't understand the DM hate. They are excellent at reporting women's rights issues.

TangledWebOfDeception · 14/02/2023 22:00

Happylittlechicken · 14/02/2023 21:46

And? He’s still a male sex offender. He belongs on a male prison wing

No, there is no requirement for reassignment surgery in order for that man to ‘become’ a woman. The vast, vast majority of men keep their penises intact.

Even if they no longer have a functioning penis, they absolutely are still 100% male.

There should be NO men in female prisons.

PAY ATTENTION, fgs. This has been going on for ages. This case happens to be in Canada but there are men in women’s prisons here in the U.K. too.

ItchySnoof · 14/02/2023 22:01

He also doesn't have a vagina. He has had his penis inverted into his body.

Vaginas and vulvas are extremely biologically different from the plastic surgery they give men who get their penises inverted.

Timothhorton · 14/02/2023 22:03

It’s terrible. He isn’t the only
one either. This man, who had a bad case of prison-induced rapid onset gender dysphoria Here. This is a link to a reddux article for those allergic to the fail Reddux Heather
mason on twitter has done a ton of campaigning, worth a follow if you are on that platform
and feel strongly.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 14/02/2023 22:04

Trust me if that was my child he wouldn't have needed surgery to become a "women" I'd have ripped it off him with my bare hands.

I'm also very concerned that there are at least 10% of people who think YABU. Would you want a sicko baby rapist near your kids? ..... Didn't think so

NotMyFIrstTIme · 14/02/2023 22:04

maddy68 · 14/02/2023 21:06

I refuse to click on a daily mail link

I would need way more detail for this.

Most female prisons have mother and baby units they are a separate wing to a sex offender wing

Here you do
reduxx.info/canada-man-who-raped-infant-quietly-moved-to-prison-with-mother-baby-unit-after-transgender-claim/

Emmamoo89 · 14/02/2023 22:06

Thats shocking. What a cunt

Soubriquet · 14/02/2023 22:06

I just….wanna stop the world right now.

Why is this rapist, padeophilic, murderous man put above the safety of women and children?

LakeTiticaca · 14/02/2023 22:07

Stepuptowardsinfinity · 14/02/2023 21:57

Good to see the daily mail using male pronouns for this monster. I don't understand the DM hate. They are excellent at reporting women's rights issues.

I agree. Despite claims of detesting the DM, a lot of MNers post links from it, so they obviously read it 🤣🤣🤣

TangledWebOfDeception · 14/02/2023 22:07

What a COCK AND BALLS, more like.

Sweetcarol · 14/02/2023 22:09

@Thiscannotbetrue
Yes it's disgusting. The guy is a paedophile and rapist and should not be in a women's prison even if in isolation.
But most trans people aren't rapists or paedophiles. Most trans people (apart from the ones dominating SM) just want to get on with their lives quietly like everyone else.
Like most Tories aren't evil. Most Brexiteers aren't racists. Most people on benefits aren't scroungers.

TheShellBeach · 14/02/2023 22:09

Rainbowshit · 14/02/2023 21:44

Do female prisons have a sex offenders ward? I thought that was just necessary in male prisons?

There are women who commit sex crimes, mainly against children.

Randobelia · 14/02/2023 22:11

Sweetcarol · 14/02/2023 22:09

@Thiscannotbetrue
Yes it's disgusting. The guy is a paedophile and rapist and should not be in a women's prison even if in isolation.
But most trans people aren't rapists or paedophiles. Most trans people (apart from the ones dominating SM) just want to get on with their lives quietly like everyone else.
Like most Tories aren't evil. Most Brexiteers aren't racists. Most people on benefits aren't scroungers.

What's that got to do with the price of cheese?

TangledWebOfDeception · 14/02/2023 22:11

Doesn’t matter. Men cannot be women. It is absolutely wrong to claim that they can. They can dress however they want, ‘identify’ however they want, do whatever they want with their own bodies.

But that is where it should stop.

TheShellBeach · 14/02/2023 22:12

I am horrified by this but one of the most important things is how he managed to get the surgery done while he was a prisoner anyway.

It's outrageous and unnecessary (and expensive).

Igmum · 14/02/2023 22:14

This is horrific. No one in their right minds would allow this

TheShellBeach · 14/02/2023 22:16

@Sweetcarol

"But most trans people aren't rapists or paedophiles"

No, but there are a hell of a lot of rapists and paedophiles who have cottoned on to the fact that they just have to pretend to be transwomen and they'll be referred to as women, even though they're men, and then they will be housed with actual women (and sometimes children) in the female prison estate.
That's why everyone is up in arms about this.
It's just men, as usual, jumping on a convenient bandwagon so that they can gain access to further women victims.

TangledWebOfDeception · 14/02/2023 22:18

There are also many men who are trans who are also predatory. It’s perfectly possible to be both. They don’t automatically get a free pass!

throwingandcatching · 14/02/2023 22:19

fucking unbelievable

musingsinmidlife · 14/02/2023 22:19

He has been moved to a female maximum security prison as he is legally female but I highly doubt he has any interaction with the mother baby unit. He identified as two-spirit long before trans so he has been LGBTQ for awhile. He is designated a dangerous offender who has been consistently denied parole and who has been violent throughout his incarceration, including towards guards.

In Canada the designation of dangerous offender is rare and reserved for very highly violent cases. There are currently only 280 DO cases in Canadian prisons and from my experience, they are usually very limited in their freedom of movement and interactions within the prison. He is Indigenous but the DO designation overrides the Gladue principle.

It is a sad case all around. He has intellectual delays (maybe fetal alcohol syndrome), was in and out of foster care, used drugs and alcohol as a young child, was sexually and physically abused, and had severe emotional and behavioural issues. He killed a 3 year old when he was 11 and sexually assaulted the 3 month old when he was 14. Once in prison, he self cannabalized and ate part of his own arm. Given the brain damage he has, they do not believe any treatment can make him safe for release and he has been denied parole consistently for 25 years.

I can not find any credible source supporting any connection to the mother-baby unit.

Mississippi6 · 14/02/2023 22:19

maddy68 · 14/02/2023 21:06

I refuse to click on a daily mail link

I would need way more detail for this.

Most female prisons have mother and baby units they are a separate wing to a sex offender wing

Same here! (And the Sun also)

Randobelia · 14/02/2023 22:21

@musingsinmidlife surely he should be in a secure hospital then? And if not a male prison. Clearly still a threat to others.

Lockheart · 14/02/2023 22:23

musingsinmidlife · 14/02/2023 22:19

He has been moved to a female maximum security prison as he is legally female but I highly doubt he has any interaction with the mother baby unit. He identified as two-spirit long before trans so he has been LGBTQ for awhile. He is designated a dangerous offender who has been consistently denied parole and who has been violent throughout his incarceration, including towards guards.

In Canada the designation of dangerous offender is rare and reserved for very highly violent cases. There are currently only 280 DO cases in Canadian prisons and from my experience, they are usually very limited in their freedom of movement and interactions within the prison. He is Indigenous but the DO designation overrides the Gladue principle.

It is a sad case all around. He has intellectual delays (maybe fetal alcohol syndrome), was in and out of foster care, used drugs and alcohol as a young child, was sexually and physically abused, and had severe emotional and behavioural issues. He killed a 3 year old when he was 11 and sexually assaulted the 3 month old when he was 14. Once in prison, he self cannabalized and ate part of his own arm. Given the brain damage he has, they do not believe any treatment can make him safe for release and he has been denied parole consistently for 25 years.

I can not find any credible source supporting any connection to the mother-baby unit.

This is interesting - so he is not in fact in the mother and baby unit as the DM suggests? Could you point me to a source for this please?