America's Gun Control

I think that they are basically scared, that if they give up their guns but then no-one else does then they will be vulnerable. I've had this shout-typed at me in forums.
That if the law abiding people give up guns, the criminals breaking into their homes will still have guns so they will be at a major disadvantage.
Which I don't completely disagree with, even though I am completely anti-gun.

Since when are you “not allowed” to criticise the tories?? Have you opened your eyes once for the last 5 years?
The tories have been criticised from all sides constantly over their failure regarding the brexit negotiations, boris lying in parliament, their handling of the pandemic, partygate, investigations into the dodgy contracts, trusseconomics?? You don’t remember a single one of these events and the widespread criticism of them?
You’re an absolute balloon if you think it’s not allowed or somehow unheard of to criticise the government in the uk.

they are stupid mostly yes i agree. bUT the biggest problem why there is no gun control is because the goverment got MONEY from the gun. They get big donations and support from the NRA

Just to bring things back full circle the original thread title was about Americans being stupid. I responded to it saying loads of people here are stupid for enabling the mess the country's in. And then I said that you're not allowed to call out their idiocy if you read my comment properly. I've lost count of the threads where people get on their high horses and start frothing if you dare suggest they were stupid, racist, xenophobic or just plain old selfish to vote for the Tories.

You've sort of answered your question with your first statement. Without a high body count, is there any point? Going on the rampage with a knife isn't have as effective so in many countries there isn't really the opportunity.

But it doesn't answer it because the presence of easy access to guns in other countries doesn't result in huge, regular numbers of school shootings.

The cause of the shootings isn't the mere presence of guns. So this is a two-part problem removing the cause as well as the method.

Removing the method in the United States means removing the hold gun companies and lobbyists have over the government of the country. The majority of voters want change but year after year it isn't happening. Doesn't mean we shouldn't stop fighting for it but it's not happening any time soon.

So, at least start tackling the cause of the problem.

Stop talking about "the government ". The concept is different in the USA. Think of fifty individual governments as well as the federal government.

@route111 both can be true! This country voted Brexit and keep voting the atrocious excuse that is the Tory's and the USAs relationship with guns is truly awful!

I think it's more likely that the US will split into 2 or more countries than they will ever enact significant restrictions on guns.

Agreed.

Nixon wasn't shot. Did you mean Lincoln? Because, as much as I'm anti-gun, that's probably more comparable to Spencer Perceval here in the good old UK.

They’ll do absolutely nothing and children will keep dying

I'm American, living in the UK, and as anti-gun as it's possible to be.

However... it would be an interesting exercise for a statistician to tally up the number of people here who have died as a result of the self-inflicted wound that is the Brexit-induced decimation of the NHS vs Americans who have died from gun violence.

Your house in not even remotely in order.

It's a cultural issue for them, I think. 😟

How many Americans die because they can’t afford health care ?

So you go and live in an area where these wild animals have lived for thousands of years then shoot them for daring to come near you

This is a very good article on the second amendment and the NRA and politics, for anyone interested in any kind of smart in-depth conversation more nuanced than "Americans stupid."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/nra-guns-second-amendment-106856/

It just breaks my heart to think of those children and teachers absolutely terrified. I don't understand the us gun laws and why they can't be tightened etc but I know too many unstable people can get their hands on a gun, it needs to stop

To be honest, as horrific as they are, mass shootings are statistically insignificant, hundreds of times more Americans die in single shootings than in mass shootings. And more often in Democrat governed regions than in Republican ones, which is partially why there's more impetus for gun control from the Democrat side than from the Republican side.

"So you go and live in an area where these wild animals have lived for thousands of years then shoot them for daring to come near you"

What, nobody in the UK ever gets rid of foxes or rats? Just because our wildlife is smaller and less dangerous doesn't make our actions different.

Americans are no more generally stupid than any other population.
However, guns are part of their culture, and the mass shootings are accepted as part of their culture.
So despite the cries of ‘Thoughtsnprayersnprayersnthoughts’ and How Sad, nothing will change. The massacres will continue.
In the same way that the poster who is a gun-toting American waves bears and cougars at us as justification, without seeing that a rifle is a different choice to an automatic assault weapon. In the same way that other countries across the world offer possible solutions, they block their ears, wring their hands and bury their children.
The only real shock is when a mass shooting occurs and it’s not in the USA.

Try looking up feral pigs in Texas and tell me how you'd get rid of them otherwise.

@Aaron95

I do not think a constitutional convention at this moment in time would go in that direction. Not a prayer of the 2/3s needed voting for that.

@LlynTegid

I would like those in the US Senate and House of Representatives who refuse to support gun control measures to be refused entry into the UK, if they want to come here. After all, they are condoning the killing of children in a way.

I agree those lawmakers are scum, but I really don't think they care in the slightest whether or not they're welcome in the UK. It's a small island of rapidly declining international significance. I think the only things of the slightest interest to them are Rupert Murdoch, GB News and Nigel Farage, all of which/whom are more than happy to go to them.

That's a valid point but a different argument. For the sake of accuracy, the estimate is somewhere between 30,000 and 45,000, much of which is due to poor preventative care in the uninsured and that number is getting better due to the Obama/Biden insurance reforms. The NHS, meanwhile, is certainly doing its best to level the statistical playing field when it comes to a lack of preventative care.
*Many of the people dying from lack of healthcare, by the way, are in states controlled by the lawmakers who want no gun control as they are the same lawmakers who refused to accept federal funds to enact Obama's health care reforms to make it affordable/accessible.

But back to the initial point. The refusal to accept gun control is a self-inflicted population-level wound that is resulting in the deaths of innocent people. Brexit is a self-inflicted population-level wound that is resulting in the deaths of innocent people.

I am a huge gun control and believe healthcare should be available to all, by the way.

You need an assault rifle for that ?